Trump says 'more white people' than Blacks are killed by U.S. police

[4737 Carlin]

So, basically, Trump's being criticized for telling the truth. The programmed response will always be 'orange man bad' from the brainwashed leftists.

[Chomper Higgot]

54 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Numbers are taken from the BBC, Yale University, US National Academy of Sciences, and the Wall Street Journal, who in turn took the data from very reputable sources, it is of course fantastic nonsense to claim those numbers are "fabricated":

 

 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-myth-of-systemic-police-racism-11591119883

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52877678

 

https://law.yale.edu/sites/default/files/area/workshop/leo/leo16_fryer.pdf

 

https://www.pnas.org/content/117/3/1261

 

 

 

WSJ, behind a paywall.

BBC does’t support your argument.

Yale predates the existence of a national database in which the race of victims of police shootings is systematically recorded.

PNAS, if it supports your argument it’s very well hidden.

 

So let’s go with the data published by the Government organisation tasked with collating and reporting this data, the FBI.

 

Refer Bluespunk at #91.

[EVENKEEL]

I believe the problem to be "White Privilege" why more blacks commit more crime.

[hansnl]

10 hours ago, Tug said:

Will trump ever get anything right what a stupid divisive comment to make just beggers belief adjusted for population size far and away more people of color are killed by the cops and yes some deservedly so but here will come his apologists to defens his stupid comment guess he needs to distract away from his failed attacks on Dr. Fauci (true to form the first comment goes straight to the safe spot lefties lol

Maybe do some research.

The FBI is a good source of information.

Yes, more white people, in numbers, are killed by police, simply because there are more white people living in the USA.

Proportional, percentages I don't know.

 

[Chomper Higgot]

5 minutes ago, Logosone said:

FBI Statistics:

 

In 2017 Blacks charged with robbery 54%, Whites 43%, even though Blacks are 13% of the population and whites 60%.

 

So Chomper, I take it this is a grand conspiracy by the US Department of Justice, the FBI, the BBC, The Wall Street Journal and Yale University to "fabricate" crime figures, is it?

 

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/tables/table-43

I take it you don’t like the ‘All violent crime’ data and you definitely don’t like the 13%  number being used to examine the rate of police shootings per capita.

[Sujo]

1 hour ago, brianp0803 said:

I thought the police officers that used excessive force restraining a suspected criminal resisting arrest are in jail charged with murder.

I believe those police officers had previous complaints about excessive force. I’m curious if previous complaints of excessive force were from white criminals resisting arrest or black criminals resisting arrest. 

 

Where is the injustice? A police officer (race irrelevant) used excessive force resulting in death and he’s on trial for murder.

Is rioting and looting electrónico stores a good way to promote your cause. 

For over 40 years there have been programs to help blacks to get out of poverty and get into university and be promoted in jobs. But now I believe the talk is just about reparations instead of encouraging education and gaining job skills.

 

But it is obvious that the police need to be retrained to say please and thank you when arresting people who are resisting arrest. They should tell them “please put your hands behind your back” as many times as necessary until they comply. If they resist or run, then do not use any kind of force to restrain them. Yell our politely, please stop, please stop. 

No. Police just need to do the job as per their training. They are not trained to kneel on the neck for 8 or so minutes.

[Logosone]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

WSJ, behind a paywall.

BBC does’t support your argument.

Yale predates the existence of a national database in which the race of victims of police shootings is systematically recorded.

PNAS, if it supports your argument it’s very well hidden.

 

So let’s go with the data published by the Government organisation tasked with collating and reporting this data, the FBI.

 

Refer Bluespunk at #91.

If you can't see what the WSJ article is saying here it is:

 

In 2019 police officers fatally shot 1,004 people, most of whom were armed or otherwise dangerous. African-Americans were about a quarter of those killed by cops last year (235), a ratio that has remained stable since 2015. That share of black victims is less than what the black crime rate would predict, since police shootings are a function of how often officers encounter armed and violent suspects. In 2018, the latest year for which such data have been published, African-Americans made up 53% of known homicide offenders in the U.S. and commit about 60% of robberies, though they are 13% of the population.

 

The police fatally shot nine unarmed blacks and 19 unarmed whites in 2019, according to a Washington Post database, down from 38 and 32, respectively, in 2015. The Post defines “unarmed” broadly to include such cases as a suspect in Newark, N.J., who had a loaded handgun in his car during a police chase. In 2018 there were 7,407 black homicide victims. Assuming a comparable number of victims last year, those nine unarmed black victims of police shootings represent 0.1% of all African-Americans killed in 2019. By contrast, a police officer is 18½ times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male is to be killed by a police officer.

 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-myth-of-systemic-police-racism-11591119883

[Sujo]

5 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

I believe the problem to be "White Privilege" why more blacks commit more crime.

well white privilege certainly accounts for the Karens calling police on a black person who did nothing wrong.

[brianp0803]

3 minutes ago, Sujo said:

No. Police just need to do the job as per their training. They are not trained to kneel on the neck for 8 or so minutes.

Agreed - and they are in jail and will be tried for murder. 

The police did something illegal and they will likely spend their life in jail for it.  

So - no special treatment for the police

 

The police are taking the proper action for the use of excessive force on a criminal resisting arrest/

[spidermike007]

Keep digging that hole Don. Keep spouting out of touch, out of mind, insane dribble. You are now Biden's number one ally!

 

Start packing your bags. See ya!

[Logosone]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I take it you don’t like the ‘All violent crime’ data and you definitely don’t like the 13%  number being used to examine the rate of police shootings per capita.

I have absolutely no problem in looking at the fatal police shootings by reference to race as percentage of population.

 

I have already posted above the graph from the BBC which shows that blacks are shot in numbers representing twice their percentage of population.

 

However, since fatal police shootings are "a function of how often officers encounter armed and violent suspects" given that blacks account for 53% of homicide and close to 60% of robbery arrests one would in fact expect a FOUR times higher representation in the fatal shootings category, not a TWO times higher representation for blacks.

 

So the oft-touted "Blacks are shot" in numbers representing twice their percentage of population, well yes. But they also committ FOUR times the number of homicides and robberies, so the likelihood of a police encounter with an armed and dangerous black suspect is FOUR times higher.

 

So actually police officers show remarkable restraint. Especially white police officers, btw, numbers show hispanics and blacks shoot black suspects in greater numbers.

[Blue Muton]

2 minutes ago, Logosone said:

If you can't see what the WSJ article is saying here it is:

 

In 2019 police officers fatally shot 1,004 people, most of whom were armed or otherwise dangerous. African-Americans were about a quarter of those killed by cops last year (235), a ratio that has remained stable since 2015. That share of black victims is less than what the black crime rate would predict, since police shootings are a function of how often officers encounter armed and violent suspects. In 2018, the latest year for which such data have been published, African-Americans made up 53% of known homicide offenders in the U.S. and commit about 60% of robberies, though they are 13% of the population.

 

The police fatally shot nine unarmed blacks and 19 unarmed whites in 2019, according to a Washington Post database, down from 38 and 32, respectively, in 2015. The Post defines “unarmed” broadly to include such cases as a suspect in Newark, N.J., who had a loaded handgun in his car during a police chase. In 2018 there were 7,407 black homicide victims. Assuming a comparable number of victims last year, those nine unarmed black victims of police shootings represent 0.1% of all African-Americans killed in 2019. By contrast, a police officer is 18½ times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male is to be killed by a police officer.

 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-myth-of-systemic-police-racism-11591119883

note the subtle distortions and selectiveness.....

 

"60% of robberies" selected in that piece. 33.5% of aggravated assaults, 29.8% of burglaries and 29.1% of larceny-theft. Let's just select the one with the highest number.

 

"A police officer is 18½ times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male is to be killed by a police officer." A fairer comparison would be all black males killed by police (armed or not) aqainst all police killed by black males (armed or not), or better still unarmed black males killed by police against police killed by unarmed black males.

 

[Blue Muton]

7 minutes ago, brianp0803 said:

Agreed - and they are in jail and will be tried for murder. 

The police did something illegal and they will likely spend their life in jail for it.  

So - no special treatment for the police

 

The police are taking the proper action for the use of excessive force on a criminal resisting arrest/

Nonsense, assuming you're refering to the George Floyd case. No action was taken against the officers involved in the days following the murder, despite video evidence being widely shared. It was only after mass protsets started that any of the officers involved were charged. Waiting for protests and hoping for the fuss to die down does not support the argument for police taking the proper action.

 

So - certainly special treatment for the police, anyone else would have been arrested and charged without delay. Nobody else would have had a mass show of support from hundreds of police officers.

 

It remains to be seen whether or not there will actualy be any convictions, what the sentences might be or whether Trump might set them free if found guilty in a court of law.

[baansgr]

The best thing is to ask the black mayor's, and black police chiefs why so many black people are being killed on their shift....can't blame ole whitey all the time.

[Mansell]

And more black people fought in the Vietnam War in proportion to the white population. This is a never ending discussion/argument about whites and blacks and crime and police violence. Good luck on that one.

[RANGER55]

6 hours ago, bendejo said:

More whites killed by police than blacks, this is something to boast about?

 

And what are the numbers of US military killed for a bounty paid by the Russians, in terms of race?  Most of them white?  is this something to be proud of?

 

 

 

Zero, unless you have facts no one else have. Please show use.

[Logosone]

37 minutes ago, Blue Muton said:

note the subtle distortions and selectiveness.....

 

"60% of robberies" selected in that piece. 33.5% of aggravated assaults, 29.8% of burglaries and 29.1% of larceny-theft. Let's just select the one with the highest number.

 

"A police officer is 18½ times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male is to be killed by a police officer." A fairer comparison would be all black males killed by police (armed or not) aqainst all police killed by black males (armed or not), or better still unarmed black males killed by police against police killed by unarmed black males.

 

No, the comparison "A police officer is 18½ times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male is to be killed by a police officer." is perfectly fair since in normal circumstances a police offer can possibly encounter a black male that is armed, but in the normal course of daily life a black male is unarmed. There is nothing unfair or "distorted" about this comparison.

 

Obviously there is something majorly distorted about restricting police deaths to only "police killed by unarmed black males", since killing someone with arms is much more difficult and unlikely.

 

What universe do you live in?

[pineapple01]

Sad to hear it.

[JackThompson]

9 hours ago, Berkshire said:

These are the kind of comments that will be fully embraced by his racist base.  But to the other 70% of Americans, not so much.

So, the media-brainwashing inverse-of-truth worked on 70%, then? 

 

If you want to get into a university, get funding to do so, get hired, get promoted, or get a small business loan "white" is legally discriminated against.  That's called 'systemic-racism', but it's not used against the people claiming they face discrimination.

Then, we get into crime facts, which are staggeringly disproportionate - including "apples for apples" comparisons where income is factored in. 

 

There was a study done because some were claiming "driving while black" got you pulled over more often on a highway.  They set up cameras with radar on the offending-highway, and found the ratios of speeding per demographic-group represented the tickets that had been issued in that area.  

 

Then, there were the crazy accusastions against the police, to be solved with body-cameras.  The body-camera footage hasn't worked out so well for those making the crazy claims. 

[RANGER55]

1 hour ago, Logosone said:

If you can't see what the WSJ article is saying here it is:

 

In 2019 police officers fatally shot 1,004 people, most of whom were armed or otherwise dangerous. African-Americans were about a quarter of those killed by cops last year (235), a ratio that has remained stable since 2015. That share of black victims is less than what the black crime rate would predict, since police shootings are a function of how often officers encounter armed and violent suspects. In 2018, the latest year for which such data have been published, African-Americans made up 53% of known homicide offenders in the U.S. and commit about 60% of robberies, though they are 13% of the population.

 

The police fatally shot nine unarmed blacks and 19 unarmed whites in 2019, according to a Washington Post database, down from 38 and 32, respectively, in 2015. The Post defines “unarmed” broadly to include such cases as a suspect in Newark, N.J., who had a loaded handgun in his car during a police chase. In 2018 there were 7,407 black homicide victims. Assuming a comparable number of victims last year, those nine unarmed black victims of police shootings represent 0.1% of all African-Americans killed in 2019. By contrast, a police officer is 18½ times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male is to be killed by a police officer.

 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-myth-of-systemic-police-racism-11591119883

Yes, I remember reading the same article. I also remember reading a more in depth look in reference to what was defined as unarmed. I believe 6 or 7 were classified as unarmed but. They were either trying to run over the LEO with a car or trying to take his service revolver which lead to the violent suspect being shot.

 

As for the protest, they have nothing to do with helping black people. Its now a nationalist Marxist/communist violent movement. Made up of mostly young white people that’s been indoctrinated to hate capitalism. BLM is a Marxist / communist movement, by their own leader’s words.

[Logosone]

The police fatally shot nine unarmed blacks and 19 unarmed whites in 2019, according to a Washington Post database, down from 38 and 32, respectively, in 2015. The Post defines “unarmed” broadly to include such cases as a suspect in Newark, N.J., who had a loaded handgun in his car during a police chase. In 2018 there were 7,407 black homicide victims. Assuming a comparable number of victims last year, those nine unarmed black victims of police shootings represent 0.1% of all African-Americans killed in 2019. 

 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-myth-of-systemic-police-racism-11591119883

 

So since police killed African-Americans in 0.1% of all cases of black homicide victims, nine fatal police shootings in 2019, and of the total 7407 black homicide victims the vast majority were killed by blacks I put it to you that Black Lives Matter focusing on police shootings is a fraud, a deceit and a pointless distortion of reality.

 

If BLM were really concerned about black lives they would focus on the over 7300 victims of homicide who are black who were, in the majority of cases killed by blacks.

 

Why on earth focus on 0.1% of odd cases where police shoot an unarmed black? What about the other 7300 black homicide victims, most of whom were killed by blacks?

[Blue Muton]

44 minutes ago, Logosone said:

 

What universe do you live in?

One that's not as bitter, hateful and twisted as yours.

[RANGER55]

1 hour ago, Sujo said:

No. Police just need to do the job as per their training. They are not trained to kneel on the neck for 8 or so minutes.

Yes, you are correct. LEOs are not trained to do that (see we finally found something to agree on).

 

That LEO was on the force 18 years in a city run completely by liberal democrats. One of the short lists for VP was Amy klobuchar, the prosecutor for that district. She declined on several occasions to seek any kind of investigation into that LEO. But its Trumps fault!

 

Have you ever been a police officer of any kind? Just trying to draw on your experience.

[Logosone]

3 minutes ago, Blue Muton said:

One that's not as bitter, hateful and twisted as yours.

So not reality then.

 

That's what I thought.

 

[RANGER55]

1 hour ago, Logosone said:

I have absolutely no problem in looking at the fatal police shootings by reference to race as percentage of population.

 

I have already posted above the graph from the BBC which shows that blacks are shot in numbers representing twice their percentage of population.

 

However, since fatal police shootings are "a function of how often officers encounter armed and violent suspects" given that blacks account for 53% of homicide and close to 60% of robbery arrests one would in fact expect a FOUR times higher representation in the fatal shootings category, not a TWO times higher representation for blacks.

 

So the oft-touted "Blacks are shot" in numbers representing twice their percentage of population, well yes. But they also committ FOUR times the number of homicides and robberies, so the likelihood of a police encounter with an armed and dangerous black suspect is FOUR times higher.

 

So actually police officers show remarkable restraint. Especially white police officers, btw, numbers show hispanics and blacks shoot black suspects in greater numbers.

You are correct in reference to how LEOs treat different subject. Most Police I know go out of their way of watching exactly what they say and do when dealing with a minority. Knowing it can turn into a racial complain for nothing. Then it’s their responsibility to prove it was not.

 

If a black person gets shot by the Police everyone looks at it to see if there is a racial overtone. If a white guy gets shot by the Police. We look at it and say, well he was a stupid ass, bet he don’t do that again and everyone moves on.

[RANGER55]

6 minutes ago, RANGER55 said:

You are correct in reference to how LEOs treat different subject. Most Police I know go out of their way of watching exactly what they say and do when dealing with a minority. Knowing it can turn into a racial complain for nothing. Then it’s their responsibility to prove it was not.

 

If a black person gets shot by the Police everyone looks at it to see if there is a racial overtone. If a white guy gets shot by the Police. We look at it and say, well he was a stupid ass, bet he don’t do that again and everyone moves on.

So, looking at the statistics. I guess all those Caucasian people that got shot were all justified since we see no riots, shooting, burning of cars and building. CNN, MSNBC, BBC not running it 24/7.

 

Just says there Kathy.

[Cryingdick]

3 hours ago, Sujo said:

Except the protests are not about blacks killing blacks or whites killing blacks. 

 

Its about police killing.

 

Maybe they should address the much larger problem of black on black violence. When you have consistently the most dangerous neighborhoods in the country, with the highest murder rates, one must wonder why the cops that patrol those areas become barbaric.

They are simply fighting fire with fire. 

 

Same as soldiers that go into a war zone. 

 

If the black community fails to get their house in order they will be blaming the white man for their problems another hundred years. Stop shooting yourself in record numbers and then we can discuss the rest. At some point the black community has to own up to what is going on in it's own communities. 

 

If black lives matter you need to go confront the gang members on every corner of the hood. There is a reason other people don't want to live in those neighborhoods and why businesses do not want to set up shop there. 

 

So maybe next time you want to have a rally/protest/riot against the police go and do it against the gangs that infest your communities. That would require much more courage because the gangs are not as apologetic about shooting black people as the cops are. 

 

It's time for black people to be honest with themselves and own what is happening in their neighborhoods. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[metisdead]

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[Yankeesvsredsox]

10 hours ago, mtls2005 said:

Here is a longer clip which contains the president's comments which are the subject of this post...Amazing how he loves to talk down to women reporters. He is weak, shameless, fragile man.

 

 

Do you think the editors or better still the people in charge of this network might be pulling her strings! When she worked for Fox he treated her much much kinder ! 

Edited July 15, 2020 by Yankeesvsredsox

[Logosone]

He is of course right.

 

Good bit about freedom of speech as well.