riclag Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, Dumbastheycome said: Despite the latest medial interventions for the critically ill seemingly to have reduced the fatality rate it would also seem premature to go on claiming the death rate has permanently gone down when these new massive record levels of infection spikes are only just now starting to get close to the stage of illness that result in people succumbing to it. The fact that may hospitals are again at maximum capacity for icu will inevitably see a decrease in "best intervention" which sadly can only result in higher mortality. If 3 out of 4 who object to schools opening then given the obvious escalation of infection any "directive" from POTUS can only be considered deliberate and dangerous if attempted ! So would you object to a area in a state which has very little effect of the emergence to take a safe approach to getting back to school Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumbastheycome Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, riclag said: The peditricians are sayin there is more harm by them stayin out of school All you got to do now is show more children are vulnerable to the adverse effect of this virus! "But in the 6 to 8 weeks since most schools in the US have closed, we have gathered new evidence about both children’s risks from the virus and their likelihood of transmitting it, as noted by Esposito and Principi2 in this issue of JAMA Pediatrics. We know only what we know today about the benefits and harms associated with school closure. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/press-briefing-press-secretary-kayleigh-mcenany-7-16-2020/ Is your country one of the ones being taught by 10 year olds ! According to these experts they are saying teaching online can be detrimental especially for disadvantage children because the parent can't be involved all the time while working ! So if and when some of these children who take Covid-19 home to parents who then can potentially die what then for the children? Sudden increase in single parent families or even a demand for new State orphanages ! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, Dumbastheycome said: So if and when some of these children who take Covid-19 home to parents who then can potentially die what then for the children? Sudden increase in single parent families or even a demand for new State orphanages ! I asked you a question ! It appears that you do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumbastheycome Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 1 minute ago, riclag said: So would you object to a area in a state which has very little effect of the emergence to take a safe approach to getting back to school It is not for me to object. I now have no children to need to consider that. But if still a custodial parent I would expect to retain the right to not send my children in a higher level of risk due to the POTUS calling for ALL schools to reopen. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post cantata Posted July 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 17, 2020 14 minutes ago, riclag said: The peditricians are sayin there is more harm by them stayin out of school All you got to do now is show more children are vulnerable to the adverse effect of this virus! "But in the 6 to 8 weeks since most schools in the US have closed, we have gathered new evidence about both children’s risks from the virus and their likelihood of transmitting it, as noted by Esposito and Principi2 in this issue of JAMA Pediatrics. We know only what we know today about the benefits and harms associated with school closure. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/press-briefing-press-secretary-kayleigh-mcenany-7-16-2020/ Is your country one of the ones being taught by 10 year olds ! According to these experts they are saying teaching online can be detrimental especially for disadvantage children because the parent can't be involved all the time while working ! That JAMA article was published when it looked like the virus was being brought under control. Before Trump urged states to "liberate" themselves. Too many of them heeded his call. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post animalmagic Posted July 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 17, 2020 1 hour ago, riclag said: Follow this science "The science is very clear on this, that — you know, for instance, you look at the JAMA Pediatrics study of 46 pediatric hospitals in North America that said the risk of critical illness from COVID is far less for children than that of seasonal flu". https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/press-briefing-press-secretary-kayleigh-mcenany-7-16-2020/ https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2766113 There are way more than 46 pediatric hospitals in USA, to quote a study based on only 46 is misleading at the very least, especially when it does not show the locations of the 46 hospitals and the prevailing infection/mortality rates in that geographical area at the time of survey. But, as I read last night, the White House is instructing hospitals to send infection data directly to them rather than the CDC, so they will be able to construct data to prove any political position they want very shortly. The risk may not be to the children but to the vulnerable and at risk adults they come into contact with. Cherry picking scientific data to validate a political position that, according to science, puts peoples lives at risk is rather pathetic. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Dumbastheycome said: It is not for me to object. I now have no children to need to consider that. But if still a custodial parent I would expect to retain the right to not send my children in a higher level of risk due to the POTUS calling for ALL schools to reopen. If people object that's fine thats their choice,their children will be subject to risks as well as mentioned in the study. But what about the people who disagree with you and many others, especially in areas that haven't seen a dramatic increase 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bluespunk Posted July 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) 24 minutes ago, riclag said: So would you object to a area in a state which has very little effect of the emergence to take a safe approach to getting back to school Is that what trump is demanding? That states make their own decisions on school opening based upon the rate of infection in their state? Because I’m ok with that, letting states make their own decisions on opening schools based upon the situation in their state. Or is he demanding all open regardless? Edited July 17, 2020 by Bluespunk 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumbastheycome Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, riclag said: If people object that's fine thats their choice,their children will be subject to risks as well as mentioned in the study. But what about the people who disagree with you and many others, especially in areas that haven't seen a dramatic increase In the lower incidence areas are those that want schools open a significant majority or a minoriy? Most interpretations of democratic principles suggest the majority opinion is the norm. Especially in the face of a dictate ! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
connda Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Good. The American people willing wish to ride the Titanic to the bottom. Best of luck! Hope ya'll get your wish! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tie Dye Samurai Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 7 hours ago, Yinn said: Amazing guy. 1) He deny problem 2) He refuse the mask 3) He have “rally” (soacial distance) 4) He say will finish in April, because hot season. 5) He want everyone return office, factory etc 6) malaria drug not help. Bleach injections. He do EVERYTHING opposite what doctor say. The doctor say will increase if like that. Ok...he is not an amazing guy...but besides that... +1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, Dumbastheycome said: In the lower incidence areas are those that want schools open a significant majority or a minoriy? Most interpretations of democratic principles suggest the majority opinion is the norm. Especially in the face of a dictate ! Even when the infectious disease experts say it depends on the area without mentioning (democratic principles ) in their comments! I guess you and many others have made a decision for many who see another side to it. Ok 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 33 minutes ago, cantata said: That JAMA article was published when it looked like the virus was being brought under control. Before Trump urged states to "liberate" themselves. Too many of them heeded his call. It is in many not all areas ! So that jama article would be ok with that! Many other top infectious disease people would be ok with opening of schools and the risk involved with guidelines on safety 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stevenl Posted July 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, riclag said: <snip>Many other top infectious disease people would be ok with opening of schools and the risk involved with guidelines on safety And so would the schools if they can open safely. But with Ms DeVos refusing to say 'it is safe' not many schools will believe it is safe. Also Trump's reasoning 'we have to open schools so parents can go to work and the economy can restart' is not exactly reassuring regarding safe school opening. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarenBravo Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Is this for the benefit of the children? Or, is it just a callous reaction to help re-elect Trump so he can avoid a jump-suit that matches his complexion? Knowing his record of child treatment, I'm inclined to believe the latter. Besides, the economy and education won't resume until people feel safe and that time hasn't been reached, yet. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, animalmagic said: There are way more than 46 pediatric hospitals in USA, to quote a study based on only 46 is misleading at the very least, especially when it does not show the locations of the 46 hospitals and the prevailing infection/mortality rates in that geographical area at the time of survey. But, as I read last night, the White House is instructing hospitals to send infection data directly to them rather than the CDC, so they will be able to construct data to prove any political position they want very shortly. The risk may not be to the children but to the vulnerable and at risk adults they come into contact with. Cherry picking scientific data to validate a political position that, according to science, puts peoples lives at risk is rather pathetic. If cherry picking scientific data shows how to open schools in areas's together with experts that don't have a political agenda ,would that be ok Edited July 17, 2020 by riclag 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 1 minute ago, KarenBravo said: Is this for the benefit of the children? Or, is it just a callous reaction to help re-elect Trump so he can avoid a jump-suit that matches his complexion? Knowing his record of child treatment, I'm inclined to believe the latter. Besides, the economy and education won't resume until people feel safe and that time hasn't been reached, yet. Child treatment ! Please do tell 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, KarenBravo said: Is this for the benefit of the children? Or, is it just a callous reaction to help re-elect Trump so he can avoid a jump-suit that matches his complexion? Knowing his record of child treatment, I'm inclined to believe the latter. Besides, the economy and education won't resume until people feel safe and that time hasn't been reached, yet. If the children go back to school, the parents can focus on buying bread to put on the table! Get busy making a livin ,so to speak 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KarenBravo Posted July 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, riclag said: If the children go back to school, the parents can focus on buying bread to put on the table! Get busy making a livin ,so to speak Maybe you should read this thread's title again? 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FritsSikkink Posted July 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, riclag said: I feel sorry for this young lady in some ways ,she's being subjected many times to msm derogatory questioning, with I gotcha questions from the activists pretending to be journalist! Nah, for years we have been bombarded with drivel from a racist, criminal, dumb, incompetent woman abuser in the white house. Wonder when America is becoming great again, doesn't look very great at the moment. Edited July 17, 2020 by FritsSikkink 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bunnydrops Posted July 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, riclag said: If the children go back to school, the parents can focus on buying bread to put on the table! Get busy making a livin ,so to speak A great number of teachers are over 50. They are at risk. The child gets it at school, brings it home, it goes to work with their parents, parents bring it home and back to school it goes. 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Just now, KarenBravo said: Maybe you should read this thread's title again? Oh Reuters title. It doesn't mention treatment of children 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarenBravo Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, riclag said: Oh Reuters title. It doesn't mention treatment of children It implies people are not going to send their kids to school, no matter what Trump and De Vos mandate. You can't force people to go out and shop/eat/drink either, if they feel unsafe. Didn't the Trump team absorb the lesson from Tulsa? Edited July 17, 2020 by KarenBravo 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earlinclaifornia Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 No brainer for me as my 8 year old is back in Thailand. Do as Thailand, when each school district has over thirty days with out transmission 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) 27 minutes ago, bunnydrops said: A great number of teachers are over 50. They are at risk. The child gets it at school, brings it home, it goes to work with their parents, parents bring it home and back to school it goes. "But in the 6 to 8 weeks since most schools in the US have closed, we have gathered new evidence about both children’s risks from the virus and their likelihood of transmitting it, as noted by Esposito and Principi2 in this issue of JAMA Pediatrics. We know only what we know today about the benefits and harms associated with school closure". https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2766113 Other countries have re open . They used strict guidlines ,While others weren't as successful Edited July 17, 2020 by riclag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post J Town Posted July 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) 23 minutes ago, riclag said: If the children go back to school, the parents can focus on buying bread to put on the table! Get busy making a living, so to speak I doubt you have any school age children. Those germ factories WILL bring the virus back home. This is not debatable, some children will become infected, particularly as the US has allowed to set itself on fire with Covid-19 due to so many selfish people ignoring science. How many parents will die, leaving behind orphans who then become wards of the state? The majority of countries who are currently successful FIRST got a handle on the virus, THEN opened up cautiously. It is also not debatable that 45 and his administration have repeatedly downplayed the virus and pushed most dangerously to get back to "normal." This has backfired in a most shameful exhibition of hubris. Edited July 17, 2020 by J Town Clarification 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, KarenBravo said: It implies people are not going to send their kids to school, no matter what Trump and De Vos mandate. You can't force people to go out and shop/eat/drink either, if they feel unsafe. Didn't the Trump team absorb the lesson from Tulsa? Maybe I'm missing something ! Experts besides Mr. Trump want kids to go back to school safely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post J Town Posted July 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 17, 2020 Just now, riclag said: Maybe I'm missing something ! Experts besides Mr. Trump want kids to go back to school safely Not one person on this planet has said they don't want children back in class. What every parent is weighing on their minds is how 45 has, to date, over 20,000 lies to his credit, so how much can they trust the lives of their most cherished to the lies of a man interested only in making himself look good in an election year? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, KarenBravo said: It implies people are not going to send their kids to school, no matter what Trump and De Vos mandate. You can't force people to go out and shop/eat/drink either, if they feel unsafe. Didn't the Trump team absorb the lesson from Tulsa? If states want to go back safely ,does that mean in your eyes ,it shouldn't be allowed. Some experts use this as part of a guide Edited July 17, 2020 by riclag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post earlinclaifornia Posted July 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, riclag said: The peditricians are sayin there is more harm by them stayin out of school All you got to do now is show more children are vulnerable to the adverse effect of this virus! "But in the 6 to 8 weeks since most schools in the US have closed, we have gathered new evidence about both children’s risks from the virus and their likelihood of transmitting it, as noted by Esposito and Principi2 in this issue of JAMA Pediatrics. We know only what we know today about the benefits and harms associated with school closure. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/press-briefing-press-secretary-kayleigh-mcenany-7-16-2020/ Is your country one of the ones being taught by 10 year olds ! According to these experts they are saying teaching online can be detrimental especially for disadvantage children because the parent can't be involved all the time while working ! Because you don't seem knowledgeable about this issue or have any young school children effecting how you think. I will share what you seem to be missing out. My eight year old did online schooling as offered here in her Saraphi school district. Logged in and spent hours and hours of classwork during all of June. School here has returned as of July first. No local transmissions here now for fifty days. Does any of this sound anything like what is happening in most all of the US? NO!!! Edited July 17, 2020 by earlinclaifornia spelling 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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