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U.S. swoops down on Portland protesters after Trump order to protect monuments


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Posted
7 minutes ago, nattaya09 said:

I doubt it's unusual in out of control events like the one in Portland to have Federal Agents  mixed in with the protesters in the street to pick out the domestic terrorists/anarchists that are choreographing the violence.  Antifa has had free run of Portland Streets since this Mayor took office 3-1/2 years ago

It may be true, but it's also difficult to get someone in. The people that are out at night know each other. They're not the same as the actual protesters just trying to be heard in the daytime.

They're very guarded and people are vetted and it takes a very long time to gain trust. There is surveillance, but the human kind is hard to get because it's a very paranoid group.

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2 hours ago, stevenl said:

This behaviour is very much reminiscent of that of thought police forces in countries like Russia, China, and others where free thought is not allowed.

Much easier to dish out critique to what is going on in HK by CCP ... ???? 

 

'Restoring law and order' .... ???? ... all a matter of your perspective .... 

 

Ah .. the world is a wonderful place.

Posted
44 minutes ago, stevenl said:

If unhappy, vote them out. Isn't that what you always say about Trump criticism?

When govnur and major doesn't follow the law and allows lawlessness to take over a city, this is what happens. Do your job govnur should be the chant of protesters.

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Just now, EVENKEEL said:

When govnur and major doesn't follow the law and allows lawlessness to take over a city, this is what happens. Do your job govnur should be the chant of protesters.

So you have no argument, just repeating the same.

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Posted
2 minutes ago, stevenl said:

So you have no argument, just repeating the same.

There is only right and wrong. 

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Posted
4 minutes ago, uesnyc said:

The exact opposite of a HK protester.

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What's that symbol these numnuts have on there armor, kinda looks like a camel head.

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Posted
4 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

What's that symbol these numnuts have on there armor, kinda looks like a camel head.

this is the look they were going for.

 

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Posted
1 hour ago, uesnyc said:

That's called an arrest. This is what law enforcement officers are paid to do.

It's done in every country in the world that has laws to enforce.

 

Maybe you didn't get it the first time: UNMARKED police officers in UNMARKED vans, taking people off the streets without even telling them, what they are arrested for!

 

It is strange, but doesn't that sound like the exact overreach of a tyrannical government, the 2nd- amendmenters are always babbeling about?

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1 minute ago, The Barmbeker said:

Maybe you didn't get it the first time: UNMARKED police officers in UNMARKED vans, taking people off the streets without even telling them, what they are arrested for!

 

It is strange, but doesn't that sound like the exact overreach of a tyrannical government, the 2nd- amendmenters are always babbeling about?

Nothing anywhere says cops or vehicles have to be "marked".  You've never seen plain clothes police in unmarked cars before? Usually an arrest entails "taking a person off the street". Every single person knows what they were arrested for, it's in the charging documents. The cops have no obligation to inform random rioters who aren't being charged what their comrades are being charged for, it's none of their business. Your definition of a "tyrannical government" is cops doing their jobs.

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1 hour ago, uesnyc said:

That's called an arrest. This is what law enforcement officers are paid to do.

It's done in every country in the world that has laws to enforce.

 

So far a total of 13 people have been charged with various offences, doesn't sound like a violent mob to me. However, the crux of the critism...

 

"Arresting people without probable cause, Ms Brown's spokesman, Charles Boyle, said on Friday, is "extraordinarily concerning and a violation of their civil liberties and constitutional rights".

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53453077

 

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1 minute ago, bunnydrops said:

I looked up the destruction in Portland. I found one picture of a building with Graffiti on it. Oh the Horror! Damn little Michael Angelo's.

So you decided to miss the destruction of security cameras, a cop being hit in the head with a hammer, the arson in the lobby of the courthouse, the mortar fireworks being launched at the cops, the steel ball bearings being launched from sling shots, high power lasers being aimed in the cops eyes? Yeah, those graffiti artists.

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Just now, The Barmbeker said:

Maybe you didn't get it the first time: UNMARKED police officers in UNMARKED vans, taking people off the streets without even telling them, what they are arrested for!

 

It is strange, but doesn't that sound like the exact overreach of a tyrannical government, the 2nd- amendmenters are always babbeling about?

It is YOU that don't get it! Do you think they are arresting someone walking out of a library or shopping Mall? NO, they are arresting Anarchists, looters, arsonists, agitators etc. You do have a strange misconception regarding a Tyrannical Government which right now is nowhere in sight. And yes, the 2nd Amendment does allow the overthrow of Tyrannical Government. Do you really think that's in place now? If you do, rescind your American Citizenship and move to a peaceful Country. Bye!

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3 minutes ago, simple1 said:

So far a total of 13 people have been charged with various offences, doesn't sound like a violent mob to me. However, the crux of the critism...

 

"Arresting people without probable cause, Ms Brown's spokesman, Charles Boyle, said on Friday, is "extraordinarily concerning and a violation of their civil liberties and constitutional rights".

 

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There is probable cause for arrest when a crime is committed in an officers presence or officer has knowledge and evidence of a past crime.

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8 minutes ago, SinCityGr8One said:

It is YOU that don't get it! Do you think they are arresting someone walking out of a library or shopping Mall? NO, they are arresting Anarchists, looters, arsonists, agitators etc. You do have a strange misconception regarding a Tyrannical Government which right now is nowhere in sight. And yes, the 2nd Amendment does allow the overthrow of Tyrannical Government. Do you really think that's in place now? If you do, rescind your American Citizenship and move to a peaceful Country. Bye!

But we know that they are arresting peaceful protestors. Or in some cases, not arresting them but hauling them into unmarked vehicles and detaining them without arrest. 

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2 hours ago, stevenl said:

So against the express wishes of mayor and governor a new kind of secret service comes in, arresting people, without any accountability. And you don't have an issue with that?

Nope, NONE at all! They should send in much, much more to stop the Insurrection.

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Posted
2 minutes ago, geriatrickid said:

Ok  a small amount of  municipal property was damaged. We all agree that is  wrong. However, since when has the the federal government responded to the vandalism of municipal property in this manner? Anyone?

Who are you to claim that the legally appointed governor and mayor have been derelict in their duty? If that's the case, then the Republican mayors of some of the crime ridden  US cities should see US federal agents running their cities.

Not municipal property, federal buildings. The feds aren't running anyone's city, they're protecting federal property and making arrests for violation of federal law. The mayor and governor have no jurisdiction whatsoever on these properties or U.S. code. 

There was more than mere vandalism, there was arson, assault, even pointing lasers at aircraft.

 

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9 minutes ago, SinCityGr8One said:

It is YOU that don't get it! Do you think they are arresting someone walking out of a library or shopping Mall? NO, they are arresting Anarchists, looters, arsonists, agitators etc. You do have a strange misconception regarding a Tyrannical Government which right now is nowhere in sight. And yes, the 2nd Amendment does allow the overthrow of Tyrannical Government. Do you really think that's in place now? If you do, rescind your American Citizenship and move to a peaceful Country. Bye!

You have decided they are anarchists etc. Many Americans prefer to put their faith in the US Constitution, the concept of due process and the established legal procedures to respond to these types of incidents. What we are seeing is trump intentionally going against the explicit request of the Governor and Mayor to let the local police to  deal with the issue. Trump violated some of the  things his most  ardent supporters accused  democrats and previous administrations of doing (but never did). Now trump violates their  sacred principles and they   are delighted.  Double standard and hypocrites. He is trying to provoke a civil uprising.

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