No one knows what Thailand is doing right, but so far, it’s working

[chainarong]

Don't rest on your laurels Thailand, cause laurel might do the dirty on U

[DrTuner]

First one (Nov 19-Jan) they ignored as the knowledge of the virus wasn't in the public, second one (March) they managed to contain. As soon as the borders open there will be a third. From what I've seen they are trying to get the testing capability up, but the tracing is still an Egyptian joke. 

 

Is it working? Yeah, for time being.

[Sunderland]

2 hours ago, chilli42 said:

Vietnam, Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia, Myanmar etc ... Vietnam being the star of this group with zero deaths.  Meanwhile the buffoons i. Singapore and Hong Kong can’t seem to get things under control.  No doubt countries like Thailand are just smarter, better prepared with superior public health systems.  I how the public health authorities in Singapore and Hong Kong are on the ground in Thailand to understand how to do things properly.

Where does Philippines and Indonesia fit into your thinking?? They are way behind the others based on stats at the moment.

[Letseng]

9 hours ago, yellowboat said:

It appears that if you have a healthy diet and no existing ailments, the virus is either unnoticable or acts just like the flu and is gone in a few days.  Other than businesses struggling, normalcy is returning to Saigon.   

It has been found that in asymptomatik cases there was still damage to lung, blood vessels. You will feel consequences at some stage.

[Enoon]

9 hours ago, sweatalot said:

This would mean the virus is far from being as deadly as reported everywhere - otherwise the death rate in Thailand would increase strikingly 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 20, 2020 by Enoon

[Enoon]

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Edited July 20, 2020 by Enoon

[3NUMBAS]

think its lemon grass garlic and galangal that does the trick .,

makes the breath so bad nothing can pass inside

 

 

[Logosone]

3 hours ago, chilli42 said:

Vietnam, Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia, Myanmar etc ... Vietnam being the star of this group with zero deaths.  Meanwhile the buffoons i. Singapore and Hong Kong can’t seem to get things under control.  No doubt countries like Thailand are just smarter, better prepared with superior public health systems.  I how the public health authorities in Singapore and Hong Kong are on the ground in Thailand to understand how to do things properly.

Don't forget the other star performers:

 

Papua New Guinea, Uganda, Lesotho, Nigeria, Eritrea, Botswana...

 

Zero deaths....so much smarter than everyone else, what could it be they are all doing that makes them such superstar performers...

 

Hmmmmm, what could it be....what could it be.....

 

If only it were not such an inscrutable mystery, wrapped in a riddle and sprinkled with enigma flakes....

 

 

[earlinclaifornia]

Early contact tracing and acceptance of masks. Thailands Governmental actions very different than United States.. Asian version is not the same as Europe and the US versions.

[FritsSikkink]

2 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

Yeah, right, in Thailand they just deport them. Where you think the infected returning workers from thailand got sick ? Clearly Thailand,  and clearly a huge problem not being tested

They were already in quarantine in Thailand and got returned from there. You are talking nonsense.

[vangrop]

On 7/19/2020 at 7:32 AM, worgeordie said:

Ditto, last year I had been in a shop,pulled the keys out of my pocket

and my driving licence an Makro card must have fallen out too,i did

not know till i got home,so quickly returned to Makro,nobody had handed

in there,next shop,greeted by smiling guard,with cards in his hand

thanked him profusely ,they could have been replaced,but the drivers

licence would have been a headache

regards worgeordie

 

13 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

UK

294,792

+726

45,300

+27

N/A

N/A

142

4,341

667

13,293,523

195,771

67,903,554

Thailand

3,249

+3

58

3,096

95

1

47

0.8

603,657

8,647

69,808,827

Nope, they just don't test anyone - uk 13.3 million tests (20% of population), Thailand 603,00 (0.8% of population). Don't test, you don;t find them.

 

It's also probably the reason why Thailand is not thought of as a covid free country by the UK government

 

 

I fully agree. For example The Bangkok testings amounted less than 4%. Here we talk about the capital not the country side. The rulers are simply hiding the truth. Otherwise why should they apply such severe anti-covid measures if according to the figures it shouldnt be necessary.

[dinsdale]

9 hours ago, bodga said:

But thats  LIP SERVICE, those  masks are mauled perpetually by any Thai wearing  one.

Not sure what you're saying but remember masks are about protecting others more than protecting youself. The evidence is there. Seems that some don't believe this. Some people actually think it's their right not to wear one which by logical extension means it's thier right to possibly infect others. Selfish, stupid people.

[Sambotte]

16 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Didn't someone recently test 1,000 Thais and find 20% had COVID anti-bodies?

I'd say it's Thailands government lying that produces the good results.

 

Probably.

Centralized datas in a country with not too much transparency are arguable.

I wonder if the datas from western countries are verifiable or not ?

First thing one should do with any data is to wonder if it's exact, and how to verify that. Decentralized system are better for that, with the right mechanisms.

 

[jmccarty]

Taking your shoes off at the door though not exclusive to Thailand, is no doubt, keeping it out of our house to some extent.  American's don't do this simple act and are happy to spread dog poo around the house, and anything else they walk through outside.

[canuckamuck]

Face it, Thailand was just ahead of everyone. They discovered early on that testing causes CV19, so they adopted a good policy of avoiding testing.

If other countries followed suit, we could be done with this pandemic in two weeks.

[kumphanart]

4 hours ago, vangrop said:

 

I fully agree. For example The Bangkok testings amounted less than 4%. Here we talk about the capital not the country side. The rulers are simply hiding the truth. Otherwise why should they apply such severe anti-covid measures if according to the figures it shouldnt be necessary.

Saying "No Test, No Find" is just too simple.
Thailand starts just like other countries, Testing is only available for high risk group.  Yes, there are people who get sicks and cannot initially access the test system due to no falling into the criteria set out by government authority.  Thailand does start to have a case where we are unable to trace how people get infected.  It is the same decision as other countries trying to balance between economic and population health.  After the big 2 clusters in Thonglor nightlife area and the Boxing Stadium, We know that we are no longer have it under control.

I believe this is the starting point where we are differed from USA and European.  PM set up advisory panels with doctors and no politician.  PM falls behind and only come out to issue commands and laws propose by panel of doctors.  In the meantime, the economic team is trying as hard to lessen the impact.

The testing criteria is update to include any people who has symptom similar to COVID-19.  We do find a lot of untraceable COVID-19 patients.  During this period, there are probably a lot of mild COVID-19 infected people escape the statistics like all other nations.  With the lockdown period until we have no detected case for 28 days (double the incubation period), then we start to unlock in multiple phases.

Now all the patient with pneumonia symptom is required for COVID-19 screening.  We have a case last week with one patient being screen multiple times and finally confirmed clear of COVID-19.

Yes Thailand probably has higher COVID-19 cases than officially reported like all the nations.
Yes, we do have a very painful economic period during waiting for the new patient to come down to 0.
Yes, even the reported case comedown to 0, there might be a mild case continue floating around.  And that is the reason fro 28 days grace period after 0 incident.
Thailand might be in a perfectly balance position where lockdown is not too late, human right is good but not that good, healthcare system is good but not as great, social security is good but not that good. 

Compare to USA and European, we can lockdown without people coming out to prove their right (and less socially responsible).  Our healtcare system is on the brink of breakdown during its peak.  Medical staffs already run out of PPE, Many people donates money to import PPE (legally and illegally) without waiting for government funding.  Many people help donate and create a homemade device to help doctors.  There are groups of people calling hospitals and check whether they need that acrylic cases to help protect the doctor.

Compare to other countries which is called 3rd world, Thailand has a system that social security help lessen the impact of unemployment and self employed people. (That 5,000 THB x 3 months).  We have compensate Agricultural sectors with similar amount.  We have a Donation Box setup by the community to give people food.  This helps people in trouble stays comply to the lockdown.  No government can order people to stay home if people has no money to pay for rent and cannot pay for daily food.

 

[kumphanart]

Next, regarding the reported number.  If anybody tries to say that the government is lying about the number, that person believe too much in conspiracy theory.  There are 2 main reason; the first one is 'doctors does not lie and has no reason to lie'.  The second one, with Thailand political is deeply divides into all groups of society, there is no way to hide the truth.  Even the Egyptian military and Diplomatic Family member reported case by the government itself almost get the government itself in trouble.  PM has to comes out to say sorry and admit that there is still a loop hole in the quarantine system.

For the people claiming about the dead number during Thailand peak period, I believe the same as well that the total COVID-19 dead might be higher than reality as testing criteria is very strict initially.  However, at the moment, All patients with pneumonia symptom are required for COVID-19 testing.  To say, there might be mild case floating around is easy.  To say, there are only mild cases without any severe cases is difficult.  After all patients with pneumonia symptom is required to be screen for COVID-19 and no COVID-19 case is detected, it is not very logical to go after general population for COVID-19 testing.

Thus, saying no testing no detect is not quite apply here as no pneumonia patient is tested positive for COVID-19.

[Tounge Thaied]

Many of us DO KNOW what Thailand is doing right... but I will be censored by the TV Ministry of Truth if I tell what that is. No this is not a joke.

[kumphanart]

Regarding the COVID-19 symptom and death, people who just use statistic without understanding medical advancement will just simply make a wrong conclusion.  In the early stage of pandemic, we have less info on the virus; how it is transmitted, how it effects our body, when is the right time to intervene.  Even though, we still do not have a vaccine, we do understand this virus much better.
1. Initially, we think COVID-19 caused lung damage and need respirator to help patient going through this phase.  Later, we learn that this virus actually caused blood clog in lung and many organs in our body and thus Oxygen transfer is much reduced.  Aspirin and Heparin help reduced this symptom and thus respirator is no longer needed.
2. During initial outbreak, we advice mild symptom patient to stay home to safe the bed for critically ill people.  Many mild symptom people dies because of 'Happy Hypoxia' in which Oxygen level is our blood is reduced to the critical level of before showing its symptom and then no time to make corrective action.  Normally, our body will show sign of difficult breathing once oxygen drop below 90%.  But, you will really feel it once you reach critical level of 70% and finish.  Now we have Pulse Oximeter to measure oxygen level for mild symptom patient.  Once, oxygen goes beolw 93%, they are suupose to geos directly to hospital and still have enough time for doctor to help the patient.
3. Initially, we try to keep the antivirus for critically ill patient and now we learn that it is better to intervene early and it will use less medical overall.
4. Many patients are dying of 'Cytokine Storm'  which some patient antibody is highly reactive and not only fighting the virus but killing oneself.  Now we learn that Steroid with the right amount can control this effect.

With advancement in knowledge about the virus, simply using data from one period to imply situation in another period is just simply wrong.

[Stargeezr]

The mask wearing crowds of Thailand and likely in most of Asia are helping the

 populations keep the spread of Covid 19 and other infections down. The Asians do not see

wearing a mask as a loss to their freedoms.     It will be a long time yet before the Western

part of the world get this attitude.    In Canada there are people still protesting their loss

of freedom for wearing a mask. These are very stupid people and I hope that at least

a few of them come to their senses, soon.  Keep up the good effort Thailand and Asia, some day

there will be a vaccine, and then we can all start to relax the cautions a bit.

Geezer

[Redline]

18 hours ago, sweatalot said:

This would mean the virus is far from being as deadly as reported everywhere - otherwise the death rate in Thailand would increase strikingly 

 

 

Except everyone lives in their own bubbles in Thailand, and there are very loose rules on reporting cause of death 

[ukrules]

17 hours ago, sezze said:

This means to 2 possibble answers . A the nrs are not there , or B they got a lot of infections but they do not get as sick as other people on the planet . Im guessing on option B , and that would be a genetic thing

I'll tell you what it is - it's age related.

 

The average age of death from COVID is thought to be around 82 years old.

 

The average age of death in Thailand is lower than 80.

 

There's your difference. The people who would normally die from this disease are already dead.

 

Edited July 20, 2020 by ukrules

[sezze]

4 hours ago, ukrules said:

I'll tell you what it is - it's age related.

 

The average age of death from COVID is thought to be around 82 years old.

 

The average age of death in Thailand is lower than 80.

 

There's your difference. The people who would normally die from this disease are already dead.

 

Of deaths , sure can be . But much younger people do end up in hospital also , only they have big chance to survive . Like i said , if the cases are there , and the situation is the same like in my country , people would know that there is something going on , and no it isnt only the news . I know several people confirmed C19 , 4 far family members who died ( within 3 weeks of eachother ) , and at least 1 who was on ventilator in intensive care . I do not have huge social contacts , and neither do i have facebook or anywhere else i heard of . Saying it is only in the news , isn't correct and we certainly should know .

[bodga]

8 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Not sure what you're saying but remember masks are about protecting others more than protecting youself. The evidence is there. Seems that some don't believe this. Some people actually think it's their right not to wear one which by logical extension means it's thier right to possibly infect others. Selfish, stupid people.

the answer was  in my reply, Thais constantly maul their masks, many worn at half  mast Ive even seen some  pull them down, cough profusely and then pull them back up may as  well wear a bucket  full  of  holes.

[BritManToo]

8 hours ago, jmccarty said:

Taking your shoes off at the door though not exclusive to Thailand, is no doubt, keeping it out of our house to some extent.  American's don't do this simple act and are happy to spread dog poo around the house, and anything else they walk through outside.

You might, but I always watch where I tread.

In Thailand, if you don't, you're risking falling down a hole.

[CANSIAM]

Its not working, protests are just ramping  up now.......

[AndrewMciver]

On 7/20/2020 at 1:02 AM, mooseman said:

They tested 100 000 personnel from hospitals and transportation looking for antibodies, 20 000 had antibodies.

 

https://bangkokherald.com/coronavirus/new-evidence-casts-doubts-on-accuracy-of-thailands-official-coronavirus-statistics/

 

If 20,000 had antibodies, i assume that means 20,000 contracted the virus. Otherwise what the hell are they doing with antibodies. 

 

Yet Thailand claims to only have had 3250 cases in TOTAL. 

 

 

 

[AndrewMciver]

8 hours ago, kumphanart said:

Regarding the COVID-19 symptom and death, people who just use statistic without understanding medical advancement will just simply make a wrong conclusion.  In the early stage of pandemic, we have less info on the virus; how it is transmitted, how it effects our body, when is the right time to intervene.  Even though, we still do not have a vaccine, we do understand this virus much better.
1. Initially, we think COVID-19 caused lung damage and need respirator to help patient going through this phase.  Later, we learn that this virus actually caused blood clog in lung and many organs in our body and thus Oxygen transfer is much reduced.  Aspirin and Heparin help reduced this symptom and thus respirator is no longer needed.
2. During initial outbreak, we advice mild symptom patient to stay home to safe the bed for critically ill people.  Many mild symptom people dies because of 'Happy Hypoxia' in which Oxygen level is our blood is reduced to the critical level of before showing its symptom and then no time to make corrective action.  Normally, our body will show sign of difficult breathing once oxygen drop below 90%.  But, you will really feel it once you reach critical level of 70% and finish.  Now we have Pulse Oximeter to measure oxygen level for mild symptom patient.  Once, oxygen goes beolw 93%, they are suupose to geos directly to hospital and still have enough time for doctor to help the patient.
3. Initially, we try to keep the antivirus for critically ill patient and now we learn that it is better to intervene early and it will use less medical overall.
4. Many patients are dying of 'Cytokine Storm'  which some patient antibody is highly reactive and not only fighting the virus but killing oneself.  Now we learn that Steroid with the right amount can control this effect.

With advancement in knowledge about the virus, simply using data from one period to imply situation in another period is just simply wrong.

 

Excellent post.

 

Regarding point 2. Was watching a guy who was staying at home with the virus, but as the virus got worst he didn't rationalise to get to a hospital. This was because his oxygen levels had fallen so much they were effecting his brain and rational thinking. He remained at home and got worst and worst, however a friend eventually took him to hospital. 

[kingdong]

perhaps the air quality in thailand is so bad the virus can't survive in it.

[Stargeezr]

In most of Asia it is known that the people have pretty strong immunities

  from their diet, and living conditions. In America there is a lot of out of shape

people living at MacDonalds, A and W, Wendys, Burger King, KFC, etc, remember 

supersizing, it never reached Asia. Now look at the numbers of deaths in America in only 6 months.

   In November  it may be doubled.  I am happy not to be living in the USA today.

I do hope they get Mr Biden in as the next president. He may or may not be much better

but at least he will tweet a lot less, and he does talk a lot more presidential.

Geezer