Black man shot in back by police in Wisconsin city, governor says, curfew imposed

[Eric Loh]

2 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

You are posted other peoples opinion about Trump in a thread about a man getting shot by police !!!!!!

It's related to your post. Comprehension difficulty?

[Sujo]

27 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Please provide a list of tools at the POTUS's disposal. Please do.

I have previously stated what he should do. 

 

If that doesnt work there are emergency powers he can use.

 

If there is nothing he can do then he is lying by saying he can fix it, he also cannot blame biden. He should not even comment on it.

[Sujo]

7 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

You are posted other peoples opinion about Trump in a thread about a man getting shot by police !!!!!!

Use private message if you dont want anyone commenting. This is a public forum.

[KhunFred]

The whole concept of "resisting arrest" is corrupt and racist. America expects citizens to be complicit in their own abuse.

[CorpusChristie]

5 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

It's related to your post. Comprehension difficulty?

Its not related to the thread topic though , making it off topic

[Sujo]

1 minute ago, KhunFred said:

The whole concept of "resisting arrest" is corrupt and racist. America expects citizens to be complicit in their own abuse.

Only if you are black.

 

If you are white you can shoot a few people and wander around with a long gun whilst under age during curfew and police will wave as they drive by looking for a black j walker.

[Sujo]

1 minute ago, CorpusChristie said:

Its not related to the thread topic though , making it off topic

Then dont post something off topic.

[CorpusChristie]

6 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Then dont post something off topic.

Ha ha, You are telling me to stop posting about Trump, when you posted about him over 20 times in this thread in 20 different posts in the space of a few hours ????

[RobFord]

On 8/25/2020 at 10:22 AM, steven100 said:

The guy was a criminal with outstanding warrants.  He was no angel.

I bet he'll obey a police order or direction next time ....  that's for sure. 

 

 

I understand he was shot seven times in the back and is now paralyzed from the waist down.

[kingdong]

7 hours ago, Saint Nick said:

And here we go again with the lies and the deflection!

a) the kid was not randomly chased by an angry mob! He killed someone and tried to flee the scene! The crowd was trying to stop him!

I know: minor, mostly irrelevant point, in the eyes of right wingers!

Because...

b) unless the registered sex- offender tried to rape the shooter, his past has NOTHING to do with this case!

c) also the history of the second guy does not matter one bit, unless he was intoxicated during the incident!

d) talking about illegal: is it legal for a 17 year old to purchase and own a riffle, like the one in question?

Which is way more relevant than the past of the 2 protesters, because with that gun an ACTUAL CRIME was committed!

 

the pasts of the " protesters "gives an indication of the calibre of their character.

Edited August 28, 2020 by kingdong

[kingdong]

1 hour ago, CorpusChristie said:

Didnt Trump kneel on a Black mans neck and killed him, then Trump shot a Blackman seven times in the back and then Trump went outside setting cars on fire and looting shops 

and why hasn,t trump single handedly discovered a vaccine against corona?

[CorpusChristie]

2 minutes ago, kingdong said:

and why hasn,t trump single handedly discovered a vaccine against corona?

And IF he did discover a vaccine, do you think that he would share it with everyone else ?

No, he would just give the vaccine to his family and friends and leave us all to die ????

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

2 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

He will be convicted. Smoking gun. Feel sorry for the kid being mislead by the racist President. 

 

As I was thinking about all this, there are a lot of interesting questions that arise, such as:

 

--Will the 17-year-old shooter be prosecuted as an adult, not a juvy, under Wisconsin law, which seems eminently possible IF the prosecutors decide to see that path. And they may not even have to decide that, as opposed to it happening automatically under state law.

 

https://www.grgblaw.com/wisconsin-trial-lawyers/wisconsin-laws-and-policies-for-juvenile-offenders-charged-as-adults

 

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The so-called “reforms” enacted in 1996 harshly criminalized Wisconsin juvenile law, e.g., carved out an age group of children (17 year olds), who are now always prosecuted and punished as adults...

 

• Under Chap. 938, numerous offenses are subject to original adult court supervision. Some of the types of crimes this includes are:

  • Juveniles who are at least 10 years old who have allegedly attempted or committed first or second degree murder or reckless homicide.

 

 

--Where did the 17-year-old obtain his rifles, presumably illegally?

 

--Where was his mother when he was posting public videos assembling and shooting his rifles, and later out late at night across the state line shooting up Kenosha?

 

--Did his police cadet instructors ever teach him that he was NOT a policeman and had no legal rights to act as such?

 

--And finally, wonder if the local law enforcement officers might face charges for dereliction of duty or even accessory to...   At first, it seemed like some officers had just passed the kid as he was attempting to surrender after the shootings, which they did... But then later, the news reports indicate officers came into direct contact with the 17-year-old armed with his rifle outside the auto dealership before the shooting ever started, and apparently had some exchange and gave out water bottles.  Well, this kid looks like a 17-year-old...  And what did the officers do about that at the time?  Apparently nothing.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/27/us/kenosha-wisconsin-shooting-suspect/index.html

 

 

He looks like he ought to be assembling skateboards or bicycles, not assembling and firing rifles.  What were the police thinking???

 

Edited August 28, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[kingdong]

5 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Reaching for a gun perhaps.

whilst ignoring the order of a law enforcement officer.

[Tippaporn]

1 hour ago, Sujo said:

2 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

And all of it seems to be happening in Democrat controlled cities?  Democrat governors and Democrat mayors in the position to do something about it do nothing at all (until it's too late) so what has Trump got to do with it?  That he's responsible even though all he can do is offer assistance which gets refused by the Democrats?  What are you trying to say, Sujo?

if trump has nothing to do with it why did he promise to stop the violence 4 years ago, its got worse.

 

If its nothing to do with him then he cannot do anything if re elected, and its certainly nothing to do with biden.

 

Btw, there is something he can do about it, he is just too weak to do it, or he wants it.

Sujo, has it ever occurred to you that the MSM along with every Dem, liberal, and Rhino Republican have been engaged in a non-stop campaign to smear Trump for 4 years?  Who fueled this hate against Trump?  Now I'm sure you'll eagerly point out that Trump has brought this on himself.  Which is exactly my point.  I would guess that millions have fallen for the smear campaign and are now so heavily invested in it they they cannot see their way out of it any longer.

 

Edited August 28, 2020 by Tippaporn

[JimGant]

5 hours ago, Saint Nick said:

Was he carrying a knife, that he actually could drop, following police - orders OR was it in the car and he reached for it?

The knife was on the floor mat. Did he just drop it there -- maybe after a bullet or two or seven dislodged it -- or was it laying there before hand, and he was stooping to retrieve it? In any case, the officer felt threatened. Overreaction, for sure, as I can't believe he pulled the trigger seven times (or was it a semi-automatic pistol?). Why do we keep reading about how ineffective tasers are? Have the Bernie Sanders crowd put a ceiling on voltage, so that those resisting police interface don't suffer too much pain?

[EVENKEEL]

9 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

And IF he did discover a vaccine, do you think that he would share it with everyone else ?

No, he would just give the vaccine to his family and friends and leave us all to die ????

 

Edited August 28, 2020 by EVENKEEL

[Tippaporn]

33 minutes ago, RobFord said:

I understand he was shot seven times in the back and is now paralyzed from the waist down.

Stop with the biased memes.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Background on one of the shooting fatalities:

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/28/us/kenosha-wisconsin-protest-shooting-victims/index.html
 

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Anthony Huber was armed with nothing but his skateboard when he spotted an armed person among a crowded street in Kenosha, Wisconsin, but he still ran toward the danger, his girlfriend says.

...

According to a criminal complaint, Huber reached for the suspect's gun with his hand while holding the skateboard in the other. As Huber tried to grab the gun, the suspect pointed it at his body and fired one round, the complaint says. 

 

 

 

https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2020/8/27/21404905/anthony-huber-kenosha-protester-jacob-blake

 

 

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Tawwater said Huber hadn’t been involved in any of the looting or rioting that took place on the streets of Kenosha earlier this week, mayhem that was sparked by the police shooting of Jacob Blake.

“I’ve never known him to be a political type of dude. But this is a historic moment for this country in the city,” Tawwater said.

 

 

[kingdong]

17 minutes ago, JimGant said:

The knife was on the floor mat. Did he just drop it there -- maybe after a bullet or two or seven dislodged it -- or was it laying there before hand, and he was stooping to retrieve it? In any case, the officer felt threatened. Overreaction, for sure, as I can't believe he pulled the trigger seven times (or was it a semi-automatic pistol?). Why do we keep reading about how ineffective tasers are? Have the Bernie Sanders crowd put a ceiling on voltage, so that those resisting police interface don't suffer too much pain?

rodney king was tasered twice when he initially was arrested,he pulled them out and charged the officers the popular video just showed the aftermath,differant people react differantly to the effects of tazers and cs and pepper sprays.

[EVENKEEL]

12 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Background on one of the shooting fatalities:

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/28/us/kenosha-wisconsin-protest-shooting-victims/index.html
 

 

 

https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2020/8/27/21404905/anthony-huber-kenosha-protester-jacob-blake

 

 

 

You're not making much of a case. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Re Rittenhouse, according to a NYT opinion article:

 

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Wisconsin isn’t a “Stand Your Ground” state, and Rittenhouse was in illegal possession of a weapon — under Wisconsin law, it is a Class A misdemeanor for a minor to carry a deadly weapon in the open. There is also no legal right in the state to use deadly force for the protection of property you do not own. And in any case the “Castle Doctrine” only applies to the use of deadly force in one’s home, vehicle or business.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/28/opinion/kenosha-kyle-rittenhouse-trump.html

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

7 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

You're not making much of a case. 

 I wasn't trying to make any case... in that particular post. Just background info on one of the shooting fatalities.

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

From the Associated Press:

 

Re my prior comment about the shooter potentially being tried as an adult:

 

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Under Wisconsin law, anyone 17 or older is treated as an adult in the criminal justice system.

 

And:

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Wisconsin Lt. Gov. Mandela Barnes on Thursday decried how Rittenhouse, whom he described as a vigilante accountable to nobody, could walk away while police talked about finding a knife inside Blake's vehicle after he was shot in the back.

He said the fact that Rittenhouse and others came to Kenosha to take matters into their own hands “was completely horrifying.”

 

https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2020/08/27/us/ap-us-police-shooting-wisconsin.html

 

[TopDeadSenter]

4 hours ago, Saint Nick said:

"Riffle Kid" is a criminal, a terrorist and a murderer!

Calling him "Riffle Kid" is so blatantly partisan, it is laughable!

Probably worth exercising caution smearing the kid that appeared to be acting in self defence. He is now being represented by Nick Sandmann's lawyer and they are collecting all libellous smears they can and will sue en masse. There are clearly parallels with the Sandmann case in the way an incident is being twisted and falsely represented for political purposes, and I expect it will be very expensive for a lot of people and companies.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8672151/Lawyers-Kyle-Rittenhouse-set-legal-defense-fund-teen-charged-homicide.html

Edited August 28, 2020 by TopDeadSenter
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[TallGuyJohninBKK]

9 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Probably worth exercising caution smearing the kid that appeared to be acting in self defence. He is now being represented by Nick Sandmann's lawyer and they are collecting all libellous smears they can and will sue en masse. There are clearly parallels with the Sandmann case in the way an incident is being twisted and falsely represented for political purposes, and I expect it will be very expensive for a lot of people and companies.

 

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Kyle Rittenhouse faces charges of first-degree intentional homicide, one count of first-degree reckless homicide, one count of attempted first-degree intentional homicide and two counts of first-degree reckless endangerment. He would face a mandatory life sentence if convicted of first-degree intentional homicide, the most serious crime in Wisconsin.

https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2020/08/27/us/ap-us-police-shooting-wisconsin.html

 

He's going to be charged with a series of very serious felonies, all charges and allegations matters of official public record, which are not actionable. Doesn't matter how many right-wing gun rights and militia defending attorneys are lined up to represent him.

 

What happens in his ultimate trial, only time will tell.

 

Edited August 28, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[simple1]

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

Who fueled this hate against Trump?

 

trump - his own worst enemy

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

28 minutes ago, simple1 said:

trump - his own worst enemy

 

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Kenosha Tells Us More About Where the Right Is Headed Than the R.N.C. Did

The conservative media’s embrace of Kyle Rittenhouse speaks volumes about its priorities.

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Presidential rhetoric matters. Rittenhouse was a fan of the president — he took a front-row seat at a January rally in Des Moines — but that connection is less important than the atmosphere created by Trump’s words. A president who speaks of shooting people in the street — who elevates those who threaten to shoot people in the street — cannot be separated from the individual who does, eventually, shoot people in the street.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/28/opinion/kenosha-kyle-rittenhouse-trump.html

 

Trump didn't pull the trigger. He just lit the fuse and fanned the flames before the explosion....

 

 

[mikebike]

On 8/26/2020 at 10:04 PM, Cryingdick said:

The problem with that theory is that people who live and do business in those areas support the police. Anybody trying to destroy them would learn really quickly who holds the big stick.

Wow! What a revelation. Those with no power who protest get crushed. For thousands of years. Thanks for the news update. Any other millennia-old insights you'd like to share?

[Mama Noodle]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Re Rittenhouse, according to a NYT opinion article:

 

Now here’s a real article, not an opinion piece, with real source material, real video, and real court document citations. 
 

Kenosha Court Docs Suggest Shooting Was Self-Defense; New Video Shows Another Gun Shot First

 

https://www.dailywire.com/news/kenosha-court-docs-suggest-shooting-was-self-defense-new-video-shows-another-gun-shot-first