BBC plunged into 'Rule Britannia' censorship row

[Logosone]

6 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’m not sure why.

 

The ‘Proms’ are an annual summer festival of the full spectrum of classical music, in which world leading musicians, conductors and singers are accessibly and affordably presented to the public, or at least to those who care to show an interest.

 

I have some very fond memories of attending ‘Proms’ and I’m very grateful for the chance they gave me to attend some fabulous concerts.

 

During the two summers I was at London I tried, unsuccessfully, to get tickets for the last night, so missed the party, I would at the time have loved to have gone, though I think I might have enjoyed a wry smile over the absurdity of ‘Rule Britannia’.

 

So the ‘Proms’ themselves are nothing for the British to be embarrassed about, I would argue far from it.

 

The jingoism of the last night is a bit of a blusher, but more in a tragic sense given it is a symptom of far more troubling matters.

Yes, they play a lot of boring old standards of classical music, but the real essence of the Proms is the Union Jack geriatric waving his flag about a navy ruling the waves which existed 300 years ago but no longer rules the waves. Not that anyone ever had the hubris to think they can rule the waves. But the point remains neither France has a music festival where they go into rapture about the Napoleonic empire, Spain doesn't about the Spanish empire, the Italians don't have it about the Roman empire, it is really only Britain that goes into rapture this way about an event that happened 300 years ago. It is borderline mental. It really is embarassing. 

 

Now if people like that sort of thing okay, and I would never ever argue that it should be abolished to please BLM hardliners. I'm just saying it's not in good taste, and I wouldn't go there to listen to cutting edge classical music. But hey, if it's your thing and you like it. Up to you.

 

It does look tragic to me to see those 80 year old geriatrics in union jack suits, it looks embarassing, and Rule Britannia is a poor piece of music. Land of Hope and Glory is much better. But there is a whiff of the very odd about that whole event.

[pixelaoffy]

1 hour ago, Sheryl said:

A  nonsensical post has been rmeoved

Can remove most of the junk by those who know nothing of the meaning of the words of Land of ... and Rule Britannia !

[kingdong]

3 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Yes, they play a lot of boring old standards of classical music, but the real essence of the Proms is the Union Jack geriatric waving his flag about a navy ruling the waves which existed 300 years ago but no longer rules the waves. Not that anyone ever had the hubris to think they can rule the waves. But the point remains neither France has a music festival where they go into rapture about the Napoleonic empire, Spain doesn't about the Spanish empire, the Italians don't have it about the Roman empire, it is really only Britain that goes into rapture this way about an event that happened 300 years ago. It is borderline mental. It really is embarassing. 

 

Now if people like that sort of thing okay, and I would never ever argue that it should be abolished to please BLM hardliners. I'm just saying it's not in good taste, and I wouldn't go there to listen to cutting edge classical music. But hey, if it's your thing and you like it. Up to you.

 

It does look tragic to me to see those 80 year old geriatrics in union jack suits, it looks embarassing, and Rule Britannia is a poor piece of music. Land of Hope and Glory is much better. But there is a whiff of the very odd about that whole event.

you sound a barrel of laughs,get invited to many parties?

[evadgib]

9 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Very sad to see your overt display of anti-Scottishness there, evadgib. The Union Flag represents the whole UK (for now) so we were being self deprecating, then you come over all Farage on us... ????

Methinks it's the 'nae pockets' that wound you up ????

Edited August 26, 2020 by evadgib

[Chomper Higgot]

7 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Yes, they play a lot of boring old standards of classical music, but the real essence of the Proms is the Union Jack geriatric waving his flag about a navy ruling the waves which existed 300 years ago but no longer rules the waves. Not that anyone ever had the hubris to think they can rule the waves. But the point remains neither France has a music festival where they go into rapture about the Napoleonic empire, Spain doesn't about the Spanish empire, the Italians don't have it about the Roman empire, it is really only Britain that goes into rapture this way about an event that happened 300 years ago. It is borderline mental. It really is embarassing. 

 

Now if people like that sort of thing okay, and I would never ever argue that it should be abolished to please BLM hardliners. I'm just saying it's not in good taste, and I wouldn't go there to listen to cutting edge classical music. But hey, if it's your thing and you like it. Up to you.

 

It does look tragic to me to see those 80 year old geriatrics in union jack suits, it looks embarassing, and Rule Britannia is a poor piece of music. Land of Hope and Glory is much better. But there is a whiff of the very odd about that whole event.

Either you attended different ‘Proms’ than I or you are confusing ‘The Last Night of the Proms’ with the very much larger part of the ‘Proms’ schedule.

 

There’s a clue in the ‘Last Night’ bit.

[Chomper Higgot]

7 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Methinks it's the 'nae pockets' that wound you up ????

Methinks you would benefit from learning a little of the history of how it was the Scotts got a reputation of being ‘tight’.

 

It is not a history that the English have any reason to gloat over.

[Scott]

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[baansgr]

39 minutes ago, fishtank said:

Yeah . For jingoistic racists.

Please explain exactly how "Rule Brittania" is racist...I'm baffled as to how it is, enlighten or educate me.

[RuamRudy]

18 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Methinks it's the 'nae pockets' that wound you up ????

No, that just seemed eminently sensible... 

[geriatrickid]

23 minutes ago, elliss said:

 

 Really .

Consider,  the feeling's  of our EU , cousins , and those from British colonies, 

 who now reside in Britain .

 Rule Britannia , is racism , and should be banned ..

 

 

What? Rule Britannia is the ultimate song of freedom  and should resonate with  those who are 'woke" and 'lit" and  want to signal their virtue.  It is quite obvious that you have never read the lyrics.

Unlike  some other countries which celebrate domination over others, Rule Britannia speaks to peaceful adventure of  ruling waves, as in  mastering the seas. Quite a contrast to some other  countries lyrics such as this all time  chestnut;

Deutschland, Deutschland über alles, über alles in der Welt"  ("Germany, Germany above all, above all in the world).

 

 

Rule Britannia is all inclusive and so very appropriate in today's movement against slavery. The  lyrics  Britons never, never, never shall be slaves speaks to freedom. Britons is an all inclusive term Black, white,  chartreuse, all are welcome to join in the song of freedom.

 

For all those waiting for the great leap forward, to champion freedom, what better way to channel one's inner Joe Strummer or Billy Bragg than to sing out for the fall of tyrants and for the people to remain untamed.

 

If these people who now reside in the UK object to a cornerstone of the UK culture, why would they move to the UK? What is offensive is your use of  the term "British  colonies". Obviously you are not woke if you use the term "colonies". Horrid man. I am shocked.

[kingdong]

20 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Methinks you would benefit from learning a little of the history of how it was the Scotts got a reputation of being ‘tight’.

 

It is not a history that the English have any reason to gloat over.

its a myth about the scotch being tight,i,ve got a scotch mate and in hua hin 3 years ago he bought a lady drink,the bargirl fainted and the mamasaan had the glass engraved,its still on display behind the bar to this day.

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, Orton Rd said:

If you state you do not watch lice Tv or iplayer you can legally not buy a license, they cannot barge into your home to check and the detector vans are a fraud, do they still have them?

sold to the Tourist Police

[Orton Rd]

2 hours ago, Logosone said:

I would suggest that if you want a proper series of concerts with proper music that will really rouse the hair on your forearm go to the Wagner festival instead. 

 

Much better. No silly costumes and real music with some brains and class. I mean this Rule Britannia <deleted> is for, I don't know what, but I doubt people go there for the music.

They do go there for the music and to have a good time and it's all very British funnily enough and very much tongue in cheek. 

 

[Logosone]

7 minutes ago, geriatrickid said:

 

Unlike  some other countries which celebrate domination over others, Rule Britannia speaks to peaceful adventure of  ruling waves, as in  mastering the seas. Quite a contrast to some other  countries lyrics such as this all time  chestnut;

Deutschland, Deutschland über alles, über alles in der Welt"  ("Germany, Germany above all, above all in the world).

 

 

Rule Britannia is all inclusive and so very appropriate in today's movement against slavery. The  lyrics  Britons never, never, never shall be slaves speaks to freedom. Britons is an all inclusive term Black, white,  chartreuse, all are welcome to join in the song of freedom.

 

For all those waiting for the great leap forward, to champion freedom, what better way to channel one's inner Joe Strummer or Billy Bragg than to sing out for the fall of tyrants and for the people to remain untamed.

 

If these people who now reside in the UK object to a cornerstone of the UK culture, why would they move to the UK? What is offensive is your use of  the term "British  colonies". Obviously you are not woke if you use the term "colonies". Horrid man. I am shocked.

Lol, no Rule Britannia does not speak of peaceful adventure. The ruling of the waves is a glorification of the UK navy which in fact celebrates a well known naval battle shortly after the popularisation of the piece. Just after the first peformance of Rule Britannia the UK had won the battle of Trafalgar.

 

"The nations not so blest as thee" moreover implies all other nations are inferior to the UK and not as "blessed".

 

It then goes on that those other, less blessed nations, will have to fall to tyrants. It's jingoism at worst really.

 

About as far from "all inclusive" as you can get. It is exactly the same spirit as "Deutschland ueber alles".

 

 

 

 

 

 

[kingdong]

3 minutes ago, Orton Rd said:

They do go there for the music and to have a good time and it's all very British funnily enough and very much tongue in cheek. 

 

the proms?english eccentricity at its best.

[Logosone]

4 minutes ago, Orton Rd said:

They do go there for the music and to have a good time and it's all very British funnily enough and very much tongue in cheek. 

 

Yes, I do get the sense of British party-time when I see the Proms. It's very different with the Bayreuth Festival, where everyone is extremely serious and it is all about the cutting edge performance of the music.

 

I suppose it is the same with the British Christmas, which in Britain is a party-time with party hats and crackers, whereas in Germany it is a contemplative, more serious feast, not so much about party.

 

We also party in Germany but there is time and place for that. There is a time for serious music. A time for Christmas. And a time for partying. 

 

I realise it's a bit of tongue in cheek with the Union jack suits. But there is a deep seriousness in the fervour with which older Britons scream out Rule Britannia at the top of their lungs. You can't fool me. They believe that stuff. Deep down.

[kingdong]

9 minutes ago, Logosone said:

 

 

I realise it's a bit of tongue in cheek with the Union jack suits. But there is a deep seriousness in the fervour with which older Britons scream out Rule Britannia at the top of their lungs. You can't fool me. They believe that stuff. Deep down.

a bit of a heavy assumption,you don,t think the fact they're probably all half <deleted> has any bearing on their behaviour?

[geriatrickid]

52 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Lol, no Rule Britannia does not speak of peaceful adventure. The ruling of the waves is a glorification of the UK navy which in fact celebrates a well known naval battle shortly after the popularisation of the piece. Just after the first peformance of Rule Britannia the UK had won the battle of Trafalgar.

 

"The nations not so blest as thee" moreover implies all other nations are inferior to the UK and not as "blessed".

 

It then goes on that those other, less blessed nations, will have to fall to tyrants. It's jingoism at worst really.

 

About as far from "all inclusive" as you can get. It is exactly the same spirit as "Deutschland ueber alles".

 

You have applied a brutal war monger bias to your interpretation of the lyrics. You see war where there is an exhortation for freedom and faith.   The origin of this  piece dates to August 1740. The battle of Trafalgar was in 1805.  This work first appeared as a Prince of Wales court entertainment and then a pageant called "Alfred". It was written by Thomas Arne  and David Mallet. 

 

Apparently you are unaware that the British have had a love of the sea ever since it proved itself a  protector of the peace loving society. It is shocking that you have chosen to interpret the rule over waves to mean something other than what it says. 

 

Worse yet is that you have taken one phrase out of context. Contrary to your interpretation, it is quite evident that it is a statement of  gratefulness, of appreciation that states the countries not as blessed as Britain shall fall to tyrants. 

The nations not so blest as thee
Must, in their turn, to tyrants fall,
While thou shalt flourish great and free:
The dread and envy of them all.

 

And so very true were those words as the kaiser rampaged through Europe in 1913 and then 30 years later as the germanic hordes swept through Europe. Not jingoism, but the words of truth and reality. It is that British presence on the seas that kept the world from coming under the jackboot of tyranny. This  song should be sung regularly to remind people that it was the brave few who have repeatedly stood between the crushing horrors of brutal thugs and the freedoms we all enjoy today.

 

And yes indeed the lyrics are inclusive. The UK is one of the few countries that was providing visible minorities with voting rights long before such people were even allowed into some European countries. We still see it today, where desperate refugees and migrants flee the despair and bigotry of Europe for the embrace of decency, compassion and the freedom of the UK. How they delight in their first breaths of freedom as they make it to the land of Hope and Glory.  No one is fleeing the UK to cross the channel in a raft to enter Europe. 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 26, 2020 by geriatrickid

[Logosone]

48 minutes ago, kingdong said:

a bit of a heavy assumption,you don,t think the fact they're probably all half <deleted> has any bearing on their behaviour?

Yes, sure, but you can't fake that fervour. And even if they are drunk it only allows the real impulses to come through more clearly. They believe what Rule Britannia says, they know it was in the past, but they still believe it is true at heart.

[richard_smith237]

27 minutes ago, geriatrickid said:

1 hour ago, Logosone said:

Lol, no Rule Britannia does not speak of peaceful adventure. The ruling of the waves is a glorification of the UK navy which in fact celebrates a well known naval battle shortly after the popularisation of the piece. Just after the first peformance of Rule Britannia the UK had won the battle of Trafalgar.

 

"The nations not so blest as thee" moreover implies all other nations are inferior to the UK and not as "blessed".

 

It then goes on that those other, less blessed nations, will have to fall to tyrants. It's jingoism at worst really.

 

About as far from "all inclusive" as you can get. It is exactly the same spirit as "Deutschland ueber alles".

 

You have applied a brutal war monger bias to your interpretation of the lyrics. You see war where there is an exhortation for freedom and faith.   The origin of this  piece dates to August 1740. The battle of Trafalgar was in 1805.  This work first appeared as a Prince of Wales court entertainment and then a pageant called "Alfred". It was written by Thomas Arne  and David Mallet. 

 

Apparently you are unaware that the British have had a love of the sea ever since it proved itself a  protector of the peace loving society. It is shocking that you have chosen to interpret the rule over waves to mean something other than what it says. 

 

Worse yet is that you have taken one phrase out of context. Contrary to your interpretation, it is quite evident that it is a statement of  gratefulness, of appreciation that states the countries not as blessed as Britain shall fall to tyrants. 

The nations not so blest as thee
Must, in their turn, to tyrants fall,
While thou shalt flourish great and free:
The dread and envy of them all.

 

And so very true were those words as the kaiser rampaged through Europe in 1913 and then 30 years later as the germanic hordes swept through Europe. Not jingoism, but the words of truth and reality. It is that British presence on the seas that kept the world from coming under the jackboot of tyranny. This  song should be sung regularly to remind people that it was the brave few who have repeatedly stood between the crushing horrors of brutal thugs and the freedoms we all enjoy today.

 

And yes indeed the lyrics are inclusive. The UK is one of the few countries that was providing visible minorities with voting rights long before such people were even allowed into some European countries. We still see it today, where desperate refugees and migrants flee the despair and bigotry of Europe for the embrace of decency, compassion and the freedom of the UK. How they delight in their first breaths of freedom as they make it to the land of Hope and Glory.  No one is fleeing the UK to cross the channel in a raft to enter Europe. 

 

 

 

Props to both of you for the quality of the argument.....    Very interesting reading - Thank you. 

 

 

[Logosone]

32 minutes ago, geriatrickid said:

You have applied a brutal war monger bias to your interpretation of the lyrics. You see war where there is an exhortation for freedom and faith.   The origin of this  piece dates to August 1740. The battle of Trafalgar was in 1805.  This work first appeared as a Prince of Wales court entertainment and then a pageant called "Alfred". It was written by Thomas Arne  and David Mallet. 

 

Apparently you are unaware that the British have had a love of the sea ever since it proved itself a  protector of the peace loving society. It is shocking that you have chosen to interpret the rule over waves to mean something other than what it says. 

 

Worse yet is that you have taken one phrase out of context. Contrary to your interpretation, it is quite evident that it is a statement of  gratefulness, of appreciation that states the countries not as blessed as Britain shall fall to tyrants. 

The nations not so blest as thee
Must, in their turn, to tyrants fall,
While thou shalt flourish great and free:
The dread and envy of them all.

 

And so very true were those words as the kaiser rampaged through Europe in 1913 and then 35 years later as the germanic hordes swept through Europe. Not jingoism, but the words of truth and reality. It is that British presence on the seas that kept the world from coming under the jackboot of tyranny. This  song should be sung regularly to remind people that it was the brave few who have repeatedly stood between the crushing horrors of brutal thugs and the freedoms we all enjoy today.

 

And yes indeed the lyrics are inclusive. The UK is one of the few countries that was providing visible minorities with voting rights long before such people were even allowed into some European countries. We still see it today, where desperate refugees and migrants flee the despair and bigotry of Europe for the embrace of decency, compassion and the freedom of the UK. How they delight in their first breaths of freedom as they make it to the land of Hope and Glory.  No one is fleeing the UK to cross the channel in a raft to enter Europe. 

Yes, that's no doubt why English football hooligans sing Rule Britannia, to "exhort for freedom and faith", lol.

 

So exactly like I said, shortly after the first performance of the piece Britain won the battle of Trafalgar and reached an apex of naval domination with the piercing of the French Naval blockade. Thus once again the British saw in their navy the all important instrument of war. While they previously had to share the domination of the seas with the French and Dutch, it was Trafalgar that saw the UK come out ahead in the race to exploit the peoples of the world in a ruthless plundering of their best resources, and in enslaving them.

 

How absolutely repugnant to sell the British as "peace loving protectors" when they own their whole empire to piracy, the killing of natives with a spear using the Gatling gun, and the wholesale exploitation of the resources of other peoples.

 

British presence on the seas "kept the world from coming under the jackboot of tyranny", lol. The British WERE the brutal thugs who razed entire Syrian villages in the early 1900s, enslaved the tribes of Africa, tortured the Malaysians, stole from the Indonesians, and not to mention plundered India with abandon. To this day Churchill is viewed as the cause of starvation and horror in India. The British were a calamity for the world, for all the peoples of the world, and even to this day the remnants of their greed, in Palestine, south-east Asia and Africa pose problems for us and our children.

 

Yes, so keen were you on providing blessed refuge to the desperate migrants that you made sure to take the least possible numbers in the EU, and left over that very issue.

 

Verily the brutality, shameless piracy and murderous greed of the British empire is only topped by the hypocrisy of those who defend it. 

 

No wonder we, the blessed non-British, view this celebration of that horrendous legacy in the Proms as so distasteful.

Edited August 26, 2020 by Logosone

[Justgrazing]

4 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

Did Clarkson not leave  get sacked because he punched a lowly serf in the face for the outrage of his dinner being somewhat cold? Hardly a faux pas, more the self-entitled arrogance of a pompous Chipping Norton tosser. 

That he did .. and ended up paying a reported £100k to the aggrieved party with the Beeb chucking in a £25k for good measure just to maintain their sheen .. While Clarkers was bang out of order for what happened it was the BBC's handling of it that exposed their over balance towards minority groups making as much out of the fact J C called him a very rude word with the bloke's nationality preceding it .. The Beeb seized on that presenting it in a way that overshadowed the fact that Clarkers cuffed him one also .. It could have been dealt with in a closed room with Clarkson told his contract would not be renewed and then sort out the compo' issue but the Beeb very publicly chose to use it as expression of their " the meek shall inherit the earth " vision .. and preferably the meek shall hail from under represented , oppressed , minority and any other disadvantaged groups that they can cosy up with .. And all this funded by a system that stands pretty much alone in privatised G B now .. But there in lies the BBC's dilemma as what they transmit is so cataclysmically awful they dare'nt consider putting their selves at the mercy of the pay as you view consumer for fear of becoming a back water channel overnight .. The name itself British Broadcasting Corporation should also come under reconsideration if they wish to impose this sort of arbitrary censorship as coming from an era when the Empire they so wish to denigrate sometimes was still very prevalent it smacks of double standards to retain such a potentially offensive to some jingoistic title .. 

Edited August 26, 2020 by Justgrazing
Sp

[kingdong]

36 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Yes, that's no doubt why English football hooligans sing Rule Britannia, to "exhort for freedom and faith", lol.

 

So exactly like I said, shortly after the first performance of the piece Britain won the battle of Trafalgar and reached an apex of naval domination with the piercing of the French Naval blockade. Thus once again the British saw in their navy the all important instrument of war. While they previously had to share the domination of the seas with the French and Dutch, it was Trafalgar that saw the UK come out ahead in the race to exploit the peoples of the world in a ruthless plundering of their best resources, and in enslaving them.

 

How absolutely repugnant to sell the British as "peace loving protectors" when they own their whole empire to piracy, the killing of natives with a spear using the Gatling gun, and the wholesale exploitation of the resources of other peoples.

 

British presence on the seas "kept the world from coming under the jackboot of tyranny", lol. The British WERE the brutal thugs who razed entire Syrian villages in the early 1900s, enslaved the tribes of Africa, tortured the Malaysians, stole from the Indonesians, and not to mention plundered India with abandon. To this day Churchill is viewed as the cause of starvation and horror in India. The British were a calamity for the world, for all the peoples of the world, and even to this day the remnants of their greed, in Palestine, south-east Asia and Africa pose problems for us and our childiren.

 

Yes, so keen were you on providing blessed refuge to the desperate migrants that you made sure to take the least possible numbers in the EU, and left over that very issue.

 

Verily the brutality, shameless piracy and murderous greed of the British empire is only topped by the hypocrisy of those who defend it. 

 

No wonder we, the blessed non-British, view this celebration of that horrendous legacy in the Proms as so distasteful.

it wasn,t just the british colonising in the 19th century, practically the whole of europe were at it,having said the british were relative ly fair,unlike others,notably the belgians and germans who were far more brutal in their administration.

[kingdong]

11 minutes ago, Justgrazing said:

That he did .. and ended up paying a reported £100k to the aggrieved party with the Beeb chucking in a £25k for good measure just to maintain their sheen .. While Clarkers was bang out of order for what happened it was the BBC's handling of it that exposed their over balance towards minority groups making as much out of the fact J C called him a very rude word with the bloke's nationality preceding it .. The Beeb seized on that presenting it in a way that overshadowed the fact that Clarkers cuffed him one also .. It could have been dealt with in a closed room with Clarkson told his contract would not be renewed and then sort out the compo' issue but the Beeb very publicly chose to use it as expression of their " the meek shall inherit the earth " vision .. and preferably the meek shall hail from under represented , oppressed , minority and any other disadvantaged groups that they can cosy up with .. And all this funded by a system that stands pretty much alone in privatised G B now .. But there in lies the BBC's dilemma as what they transmit is so cataclysmically awful they dare'nt consider putting their selves at the mercy of the pay as you view consumer for fear of becoming a back water channel overnight .. The name itself British Broadcasting Corporation should also come under reconsideration if they wish to impose this sort of arbitrary censorship as coming from an era when the Empire they so wish to denigrate sometimes was still very prevalent it smacks of double standards to retain such a potentially offensive to some jingoistic title .. 

so aunty beeb kindly gave someone who copped a righthander 25large? and people still buy tv licences? you couldn't make it up.

[Enoon]

The Proms are an outstanding series of concerts.

 

The finest music, played by the worlds finest orchestras, led by the worlds finest conductors.

 

8 weeks of excellence, with over 70 concerts.

 

I listen to as many of them as I can.

 

This year no live concerts, but recordings of great performances from past seasons.

 

Tonight, BBC Radio 3, 7.30pm UK time, what many consider to be the finest ever performance, anywhere, of Mahlers 5th symphony.

 

Leonard Bernstein conducting the Vienna Philharmonic in 1987.

 

Preceded by Mozarts Clarinet Concerto in A major.

 

But there is one concert that I never fail to miss........the Last Night.

 

I know several people who have shown apprehension about actually attending other Prom concerts, because of the impression they received from the Last Night.

 

It is in no way representative of the Proms as a whole, and yet it is regarded by many (I suspect a large proportion of whom never watch/listen to any other prom concert) as somehow "what the Proms are all about".

 

It isn't.

 

It wouldn't be missed by most of the people who actually attend, or listen to, the other concerts in the season.

 

It's a grotesque peculiarity, and can be dumped in its entirety as far as I am concerned.

 

 

Edited August 26, 2020 by Enoon

[Chelseafan]

7 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

I enjoy listening to it though I find the lyrics banal and nationalistic, I can see why the bbc made this decision. It wouldn’t be the same without the audience. 

 

Nationalistic? Some see it as patriotic and uplifting.

[Bluespunk]

57 minutes ago, Chelseafan said:

 

Nationalistic? Some see it as patriotic and uplifting.

See it as you will.
 

Don’t get me wrong, I enjoy the proms but I do not fool myself as to what the lyrics of certain pieces are.  

[Chelseafan]

14 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

See it as you will.
 

Don’t get me wrong, I enjoy the proms but I do not fool myself as to what the lyrics of certain pieces are.  

 

What on earth is wrong with Rule Britania ? It's a song about patriotism and yes, a little bit of Nationalistic pride but that's not a bad thing. WOKE are trying to make something out of nothing.

 

I never never never shall be a slave, nor should anyone else

 

[Bluespunk]

1 minute ago, Chelseafan said:

 

What on earth is wrong with Rule Britania ? It's a song about patriotism and yes, a little bit of Nationalistic pride but that's not a bad thing. WOKE are trying to make something out of nothing.

 

I never never never shall be a slave, nor should anyone else

 

You want to like it, have at it. 
 

I find it’s jingoistic tone banal. 

[torturedsole]

5 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

I find it’s jingoistic tone banal. 

Why listen?  If I don't like the Netflix film then I turn it off and turn over.  I don't carry any further burden as to what I didn't enjoy about said film.

 

Edited August 26, 2020 by torturedsole