What is it about COVID 19 that has the World and Thailand in particular so scared?

[Thomas J]

I look at the deaths from road accidents in Thailand The total annual Thai death toll, over recent years, is between 21,000 – 24,000, making it one of the worst in the world (currently #5 in the world according to World Health Organisation data).  Nobody seems terribly concerned about those deaths.  I see here this HYSTERIA about stopping COVID which is cratering the economy.  Yet only 3,403 people have shown to be infected and only 58 deaths

I compare that to Thailands incidence of TB and HIV and their deaths.  Though far higher, and far more deadly, and in the case of HIV not curable, there was no ban of tourists, no checking of incoming people, no fit to fly certificate, no stoppage of alcohol sales, no quarantine of people. 

 

WHAT IS IT ABOUT COVID 19 THAT HAS CAUSED THIS HYSTERIA WHEN OTHER FAR MORE DEADLY DISEASES AND CAUSES OF DEATH DID NOT SO MUCH AS CREATE A RIPPLE? 

 

[GeorgeCross]

 

 

 

[RJRS1301]

Contagion and easy transmission and lack of intensive care facilities would be among some of the worries

[Thomas J]

1 minute ago, RJRS1301 said:

Contagion and easy transmission and lack of intensive care facilities would be among some of the worries

rjrs1301  Again, TB is just as easy if not more so in terms of transmission.  One study said 1 in 5 taxi drivers in Thailand have TB.  Again, why no hysteria over disease transmissions, lack of intensive care facilities etc over those diseases. The common flu infects between 5% and 20% of the worlds population annually.  Though less deadly per million.  It impacts far more people.  

Flu: The World Health Organization estimates that 1 billion people worldwide get the flu every year.  Flu: The World Health Organization estimates that 290,000 to 650,000 people die of flu-related causes every year worldwide.

 

[timendres]

Mix one Worldwide Internet with the human bell curve -> COVID-19 panic syndrome.

[Surelynot]

Contagious nature and the potential for a high death rate amongst older people and those with underlying conditions.

 

Road deaths are not infectious; HIV is, but it would be your own fault if you contracted it; TB infectious, but largely treatable.

 

So you are not really comparing apples with apples.

Edited August 27, 2020 by Surelynot

[johng]

Media frenzy at first then quickly the politicians saw it as way to explain away problems and/or bring in certain measures like a "cashless" society,tracking apps,state of emergency with unlimited powers and budget.

[Thomas J]

4 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

Contagious nature and the potential for a high death rate amongst older people and those with underlying conditions.

 

Road deaths are not infectious; HIV is, but it would be your own fault if you contracted it; TB infectious, but largely treatable.

 

So you are not really comparing apples with apples.

Surelynot

Your logic escapes me.  DEATHS ARE DEATHS  So if 58 people die from a disease we crater the economy but if 24,000 die that is no big deal and that is just life?  HIV may be your own fault however again, those deaths don't matter because it is your fault?  TB is treatable but so is Covid. THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF PEOPLE RECOVER.  The deaths are predominately the aged and those with significant pre-existing conditions that causes complications  

 

[RJRS1301]

8 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

rjrs1301  Again, TB is just as easy if not more so in terms of transmission.  One study said 1 in 5 taxi drivers in Thailand have TB.  Again, why no hysteria over disease transmissions, lack of intensive care facilities etc over those diseases. The common flu infects between 5% and 20% of the worlds population annually.  Though less deadly per million.  It impacts far more people.  

Flu: The World Health Organization estimates that 1 billion people worldwide get the flu every year.  Flu: The World Health Organization estimates that 290,000 to 650,000 people die of flu-related causes every year worldwide.

 

I am aware of high rates of TB, which is treatable as outpatient,*(some resistant strains) rarely if ever require ICU. 

How many dead so far World Wide from Covid and rising?

About 800,000 so far.

 

[1FinickyOne]

it's a virus that spreads easily and the more it spreads, the more chance it has of mutating into an even more dangerous form than it is now... 

 

exponential and highly contagious are the key words... 

 

Give Thai people credit for wearing masks and locking down early... 

[Surelynot]

Just now, Thomas J said:

 

 

1 minute ago, Thomas J said:

So if 58 people die from a disease we crater the economy but if 24,000 die that is no big deal and that is just life?

58 deaths NOW......no one knew in January...this could have been 58,000......hindsight is a wonderful thing. Who knows? Without the prompt action by the Chinese (not Thais) in stopping Chinese visitors coming to Thailand the situation could have been much worse.

[Pravda]

This is a simple math.

 

Containing the virus will cost Thailand a lot....and I mean a lot less than a bad press if the virus was spreading like in India. Just imagine the hub of international healthcare being truly exposed for what it really is if people and elderly were dropping like files because hospitals were unable or more likely unwilling to treat the patients. 

[tgeezer]

Maybe they realise that their economic system was heading for collapse and the Covid19 provides a reason for collapse for which nobody can be held responsible thus securing their positions. The loss of freedom which will be necessary to contain the sheeple have become acceptable to people who believe that they save lives. In northern countries they need to keep up the pretence for only a few more months when the flu season starts. 

[Sharp]

[Bluetongue]

A lot of countries hyped it right up initially so they could get a high level of compliance with the measures. The media played along and hyped it even more, good for business they probably thought. The early video emerging of Chinese authoritarian, panic welding people in homes etc contributed to the internet wave. A lot of conflicting information and jumbled messages later, madness in the USA all contribute. Either here or in Australia which I follow closely every single new case is the subject of completely irrational behaviour by the leadership. This is picked up on by people who dont have much rational thought processes going on. Not many people seem capable of thinking things through in any way, before panicking. I do wonder if there is a difference between female and male reactions, only anecdotally I have friends in Australia in areas where there are no cases whose wives wont let them in the house because they work in essential industries. In one case she bought a camp shower, now thinking of buying a caravan for him after he rejected her idea of getting a builder to knock a hole in the wall so he could access his bedroom from outside. He's essentially living in an open area downstairs, his meals are left outside. I'd have left. A lot of the social media fear is both sexes, hard to say, haven't counted or anything. Also the female premiers and health advisers, + Ardern in NZ seem extraordinarily cautious to me. And sure maybe thats a good thing just wondered. And of course the endlessly dangling carrot of a vaccine is almost cargo cultist.

Edited August 28, 2020 by Bluetongue

[Nout]

7 minutes ago, Bluetongue said:

A lot of countries hyped it right up initially so they could get a high level of compliance with the measures. The media played along and hyped it even more, good for business they probably thought. The early video emerging of Chinese authoritarian, panic welding people in homes etc contributed to the internet wave. A lot of conflicting information and jumbled messages later, madness in the USA all contribute. Either here or in Australia which I follow closely every single new case is the subject of completely irrational behaviour by the leadership. This is picked up on by people who dont have much rational thought processes going on. Not many people seem capable of thinking things through in any way, before panicking. I do wonder if there is a difference between female and male reactions, only anecdotally I have friends in Australia in areas where there are no cases whose wives wont let them in the house because they work in essential industries. In one case she bought a camp shower, now thinking of buying a caravan for him after he rejected her idea of getting a builder to knock a hole in the wall so he could access his bedroom from outside. He's essentially living in an open area downstairs, his meals are left outside. I'd have left. A lot of the social media fear is both sexes, hard to say, haven't counted or anything. Also the female premiers and health advisers, + Ardern in NZ seem extraordinarily cautious to me. And sure maybe thats a good thing just wondered. And of course the endlessly dangling carrot of a vaccine is almost cargo cultist.

'Cargo cultist'?

[Thomas J]

I get a charge out of the responses about auto accidents, and HIV and those deaths not important.  Certainly if the government invested even a small fraction of the resources they have to enforcing the Covid lock downs towards increased vigilance with reckless drivers particularly those found to be driving while intoxicated the total number of deaths saved would dwarf any amount theoretically saved by strict Covid precautions.  The common response about not testing for HIV is that unlike Covid you can prevent catching it.  So I guess when the group of HIV infected tourists come to Thailand pick up women who in turn catch HIV.  The women then have sex with their boyfriends or husbands that those people "had a choice" to not contract the disease? 

Every life is important but a total of 58 deaths most to the elderly (which I am one of) and most to people with pre-existing conditions is hardly reason to crater the country's economy.  That is saying nothing of the deaths from suicide that exceed the Covid deaths from younger people in dire personal conditions because they no longer have a way to make a living.  But I guess those suicide deaths are not as important as that 87 year old with terminal cancer that contracts Covid and dies here. 

[Bluetongue]

2 hours ago, Nout said:

'Cargo cultist'?

Not in any proper sense, just the idea of waiting, doing nothing, hoping that the cargo "vaccine" will turn up to save them

[oompie69]

The "Great Reset", as it is called, is nothing other than one big scam to re-direct public funds into the hands of connected persons via the granting of tenders for goods and services to combat Covid-19. These successful tenderers then inflate prices charged to governments for goods and services provided to accommodate  backhands which find their way into the pockets of the very same government officials who award the tenders. End result is that there is no motivation for governments to end the pandemic anytime soon as they are coining it. 

[alyx]

On 8/27/2020 at 1:58 PM, Surelynot said:

HIV is, but it would be your own fault if you contracted it; 

You Surelynot mean that...you might be surprised to learn that sex is not the only way to become HIV+ and sometimes it doesn't take two to tango  

[Sametboy2019]

On 8/27/2020 at 2:09 PM, kenk24 said:

it's a virus that spreads easily and the more it spreads, the more chance it has of mutating into an even more dangerous form than it is now... 

 

exponential and highly contagious are the key words... 

 

Give Thai people credit for wearing masks and locking down early... 

A virus by nature is not supposed to be very dangerous but is supposed to be  very contagious. If it just kills people then it wont be as successful.

[1FinickyOne]

50 minutes ago, Sametboy2019 said:

If it just kills people then it wont be as successful.

ok.. but this one doesn't just kill people - it kills some but in others it lingers asymptomatic and people who don't know they have it, do the work of spreading it... rather clever I think... 

[baansgr]

Oh goody, not had one of these for a long time....maybe there is only 58 deaths because the response they adopted contained the virus...you just imagine if open borders with 3 million visitors a month crammed in buses, clubs and restaurants....that 58 could well be 58,000 and probably a lot more....

[oompie69]

2 hours ago, kenk24 said:

ok.. but this one doesn't just kill people - it kills some but in others it lingers asymptomatic and people who don't know they have it, do the work of spreading it... rather clever I think... 

That's what all viruses do. they need the host alive for as long as is possible. Without a host they are doomed to go extinct.

I've said this before and I'll say it again, until such time as a far more serious event appears on the horizon, we are going to be bombarded through MSM with this narrative.

So post saturation coverage from next month of the upcoming elections in America, Covid-19 will occupy less and less space in the media until the next flu season in the Northern Hemisphere. The the 2nd Wave hysteria will start up.

[Mark Nothing]

Life is for living. A celebration of beauty.

[ukrules]

14 hours ago, Bluetongue said:

Not in any proper sense, just the idea of waiting, doing nothing, hoping that the cargo "vaccine" will turn up to save them

Vaccines are coming, it's just a matter of time and it won't be that long either.

[Scott]

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[thaibeachlovers]

On 8/27/2020 at 7:08 PM, RJRS1301 said:

I am aware of high rates of TB, which is treatable as outpatient,*(some resistant strains) rarely if ever require ICU. 

How many dead so far World Wide from Covid and rising?

About 800,000 so far.

 

World population is 8 billion and rising. Those 800,000 will be replaced quite quickly.

 

IMO, it's only become "serious" because it affects western countries. Had it been confined to Africa like Ebola it would attract little attention.

 

Some time in the future people will look back on governments action to destroy the entire world economy for a few thousand  deaths and, IMO, think we must be barking.

[thaibeachlovers]

25 minutes ago, ukrules said:

Vaccines are coming, it's just a matter of time and it won't be that long either.

Keep the faith. Only 8 billion to vaccinate, or are most of them not important enough to save?

[thaibeachlovers]

8 hours ago, kenk24 said:

ok.. but this one doesn't just kill people - it kills some but in others it lingers asymptomatic and people who don't know they have it, do the work of spreading it... rather clever I think... 

Yes, it's such a terrible disease one has to have a test to know that one has it.