UK minister surprised by Scottish independence referendum move

[RuamRudy]

4 minutes ago, nauseus said:

A pompous post, if I ever saw one. The thread may be of interest but some of the the content of it often causes loss of that interest.  

A guy comes onto a thread to which he has, to the best of my knowledge, made no previous contribution and suggested, for no discernible reason, that is should be canned, and, when he is politely told to move on if not interested, you use this as an excuse to insult from on top of your high horse? Grow up. 

 

[vogie]

20 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

A guy comes onto a thread to which he has, to the best of my knowledge, made no previous contribution and suggested, for no discernible reason, that is should be canned, and, when he is politely told to move on if not interested, you use this as an excuse to insult from on top of your high horse? Grow up. 

 

We need previous experience before we can post now. ????????????

[RuamRudy]

4 minutes ago, vogie said:

We need previous experience before we can post now. ????????????

I think you must be replying to a different post. 

[vogie]

An interesting article about should the SNP partition themselves from the rest of the UK they could also end up partitioning themselves from other parts of Scotland and could end up like the north  and southern Ireland.

 

"If sufficient people in any part of Scotland voted against independence and if they felt strongly enough about it, they could demand that they were not dragged out of the UK against their will. Scotland does not have sovereignty over Scottish territory, because Scotland is not a sovereign independent nation state. Scots who voted for independence would have no right to claim the territory of those Scots who did not."

 

https://countrysquire.co.uk/2020/10/12/shetland-independence/

 

 

 

[RuamRudy]

1 minute ago, vogie said:

An interesting article about should the SNP partition themselves from the rest of the UK they could also end up partitioning themselves from other parts of Scotland and could end up like the north  and southern Ireland.

 

"If sufficient people in any part of Scotland voted against independence and if they felt strongly enough about it, they could demand that they were not dragged out of the UK against their will. Scotland does not have sovereignty over Scottish territory, because Scotland is not a sovereign independent nation state. Scots who voted for independence would have no right to claim the territory of those Scots who did not."

 

https://countrysquire.co.uk/2020/10/12/shetland-independence/

 

 

 

I appreciate Effie's efficient dealings with the matter at hand:

 

"Could Shetland declare independence either from the UK or from Scotland? Could it declare that it was autonomous from either?

 

"In terms of law the answer is No."

 

Glad that we have put that one to bed.

[transam]

13 minutes ago, vogie said:

An interesting article about should the SNP partition themselves from the rest of the UK they could also end up partitioning themselves from other parts of Scotland and could end up like the north  and southern Ireland.

 

"If sufficient people in any part of Scotland voted against independence and if they felt strongly enough about it, they could demand that they were not dragged out of the UK against their will. Scotland does not have sovereignty over Scottish territory, because Scotland is not a sovereign independent nation state. Scots who voted for independence would have no right to claim the territory of those Scots who did not."

 

https://countrysquire.co.uk/2020/10/12/shetland-independence/

 

 

 

Interesting read....

[vogie]

6 minutes ago, transam said:

Interesting read....

To some.????

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, RuamRudy said:

A guy comes onto a thread to which he has, to the best of my knowledge, made no previous contribution and suggested, for no discernible reason, that is should be canned, and, when he is politely told to move on if not interested, you use this as an excuse to insult from on top of your high horse? Grow up. 

 

The poster did not suggest that the thread be canned and I did not see any politeness in the initial response from your pal. A truly grown-up outlook would be that we should all be as free as anyone else to comment. 

Edited October 12, 2020 by nauseus

[nauseus]

59 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

I appreciate Effie's efficient dealings with the matter at hand:

 

"Could Shetland declare independence either from the UK or from Scotland? Could it declare that it was autonomous from either?

 

"In terms of law the answer is No."

 

Glad that we have put that one to bed.

Try reading it all.

[tebee]

Why is it that Brexiters wanted to take back control from Brussels, but now also want to take back control from Scotland ?

 

Andrew Bowie MP - 
 

Quote

 

'Our vision is for a country united and prosperous, sharing in the advantages and creative dynamism provided by our being one, United Kingdom. 

And this Internal Market Bill, is just the start. The UK Govt is back in Scotland. Get used to it.'

 

 

This worked so well before in the days of the Empire didn't it ?

[Rookiescot]

3 hours ago, nauseus said:

Well at least you are not arguing as to what it is. The problem for others is that they have to read it before they can make considered comment. 

Actually I was defending your right to post because I assumed he was talking about the nonsense unionists say.

[evadgib]

9 minutes ago, tebee said:

Why is it that Brexiters wanted to take back control from Brussels, but now also want to take back control from Scotland ?

 

Andrew Bowie MP - 
 

 

This worked so well before in the days of the Empire didn't it ?

Whose Empire was it?

(Think carefully about your answer).

[ukrules]

On 9/3/2020 at 7:15 AM, Rookiescot said:

If Scotland has such a huge deficit (it does not) why are you English/British nationalist so desperate to keep paying for it?

We're not. Many of the people of England have heard quite enough from the Scottish already.

 

Had the English been allowed to vote in the previous independence referendum you'd all be out in the cold on your own years back, of course as a newly independent nation you would automatically be removed from the EU long before the rest of the UK.

 

I expect a successful Scottish independence bid would be right up there with other major Scottish 'success stories' such as the 'Darien Scheme' ????

[RuamRudy]

53 minutes ago, tebee said:

Andrew Bowie MP - 
 

Quote

 

'Our vision is for a country united and prosperous, sharing in the advantages and creative dynamism provided by our being one, United Kingdom. 

And this Internal Market Bill, is just the start. The UK Govt is back in Scotland. Get used to it.'

 

 

This worked so well before in the days of the Empire didn't it ?

Amazing, isn't it - any Scot who last voted in an election where the Tories won a majority in Scotland would be in their 80s now, yet this  nobody has the audacity to tell a country that has rejected his brand of nasty, vindictive greed at every election for the past 60 odd years that his unelected, unwanted Nasty Party is back and we need to get used to it? 

[Rookiescot]

6 minutes ago, ukrules said:

We're not. Many of the people of England have heard quite enough from the Scottish already.

 

Had the English been allowed to vote in the previous independence referendum you'd all be out in the cold on your own years back, of course as a newly independent nation you would automatically be removed from the EU long before the rest of the UK.

 

I expect a successful Scottish independence bid would be right up there with other major Scottish 'success stories' such as the 'Darien Scheme' ????

Have a word with your Brexiteer unionist mates then.

They all seem terrified of the idea of Scottish independence. 

[RuamRudy]

6 minutes ago, ukrules said:

We're not. Many of the people of England have heard quite enough from the Scottish already.

 

Had the English been allowed to vote in the previous independence referendum you'd all be out in the cold on your own years back, of course as a newly independent nation you would automatically be removed from the EU long before the rest of the UK.

 

I expect a successful Scottish independence bid would be right up there with other major Scottish 'success stories' such as the 'Darien Scheme' ????

This vitriol really depresses me. Why is it so difficult for you to wish your neighbours well? Are you really so small minded and petty that all you have are weak insults and cheap jibes? For the record, I hope that a newly independent England thrives; I hope your sense of self esteem and national pride soars; I sincerely hope that the stigma long attached to the English flag is washed away and that people can proudly display it again. I wish you well. 

[ukrules]

29 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

This vitriol really depresses me. Why is it so difficult for you to wish your neighbours well? Are you really so small minded and petty that all you have are weak insults and cheap jibes? For the record, I hope that a newly independent England thrives; I hope your sense of self esteem and national pride soars; I sincerely hope that the stigma long attached to the English flag is washed away and that people can proudly display it again. I wish you well. 

It's not vitriol, many people in England feel the same, we speak between ourselves on occasion.

 

Scotland is an issue that hardly anyone cares about at all, it's not even an afterthought, it's an irrelevance.

[Muzzique]

Why don't the Scots and the Swiss just swap countries? Problem solved for both.

https://www.the-postillon.com/2017/02/scotland-switzerland.html

 

[transam]

1 minute ago, Muzzique said:

Why don't the Scots and the Swiss just swap countries? Problem solved for both.

https://www.the-postillon.com/2017/02/scotland-switzerland.html

 

Don't think the SNP could handle the financial side of things...????

[RuamRudy]

13 minutes ago, ukrules said:

It's not vitriol, many people in England feel the same, we speak between ourselves on occasion.

 

Scotland is an issue that hardly anyone cares about at all, it's not even an afterthought, it's an irrelevance.

You might have sounded convincing if it wasn't for your last paragraph. Either way, your feelings towards us are irrelevant. 

[RuamRudy]

11 minutes ago, transam said:

Don't think the SNP could handle the financial side of things...????

Why is that? 

[RuamRudy]

14 minutes ago, Muzzique said:

Why don't the Scots and the Swiss just swap countries? Problem solved for both.

https://www.the-postillon.com/2017/02/scotland-switzerland.html

 

Fondue, chocolate and Germans for neighbours - what's not to like? 

[transam]

4 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Why is that? 

Didn't I post a vid about the SNP and their cash handling...Youtube may help you...????

[RuamRudy]

1 minute ago, transam said:

Didn't I post a vid about the SNP and their cash handling...Youtube may help you...????

It's almost like you can't think for yourself... 

[transam]

Just now, RuamRudy said:

It's almost like you can't think for yourself... 

Well you can think what you like, but first I must be told or see, then I go from there, don't you....?

Or do you sit around thinking that what you thought is the way it is, to me it seems to be the latter. ????

[Rookiescot]

49 minutes ago, ukrules said:

It's not vitriol, many people in England feel the same, we speak between ourselves on occasion.

 

Scotland is an issue that hardly anyone cares about at all, it's not even an afterthought, it's an irrelevance.

An irrelevance that Brexiteers get quite animated about though eh?

[RuamRudy]

Lots of poll results being released this week. 

 

 

[7by7]

1 hour ago, ukrules said:

It's not vitriol, many people in England feel the same, we speak between ourselves on occasion.

 

Scotland is an issue that hardly anyone cares about at all, it's not even an afterthought, it's an irrelevance.

 

I am a Unionist' you are obviously not; despite your handle!

 

But I firmly believe that the matter of Scottish independence is one for the Scottish people alone. If they want another referendum on the matter; let them have one.

 

Why are you so afraid of that?

 

As for allowing us English a vote (what about the Welsh and Northern Irish?); would you have agreed to the other 27 countries being allowed to vote in 2016?

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

Lots of poll results being released this week. 

 

 

pretty close then

[7by7]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

pretty close then

 So why not let the Scots have their referendum?

 

If you like, make it a condition that, whatever the result, they cannot have another referendum for a set period; twenty years, perhaps?