UK minister surprised by Scottish independence referendum move

[Rookiescot]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

pretty close then

No not really.

Polls show an average of 55% in favour of independence with 45% preferring the union.

Thats a complete about face of the "overwhelming" majority in the last referendum.

[Rookiescot]

6 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 So why not let the Scots have their referendum?

 

If you like, make it a condition that, whatever the result, they cannot have another referendum for a set period; twenty years, perhaps?

 

 

The answer to your question is fear.

Fear that as whats left of the UK contracts they will no longer be the mighty world power they believe themselves to be.

Worry that without Scotlands resources they will simply be bankrupt.

And the biggest driver of all? English exceptionalism. The feeling they somehow own Scotland and its theirs by right.

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1 hour ago, 7by7 said:

 So why not let the Scots have their referendum?

 

If you like, make it a condition that, whatever the result, they cannot have another referendum for a set period; twenty years, perhaps?

 

 

Well that's what everyone was told last time.

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

No not really.

Polls show an average of 55% in favour of independence with 45% preferring the union.

Thats a complete about face of the "overwhelming" majority in the last referendum.

Look at the chart again.

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, 7by7 said:

 So why not let the Scots have their referendum?

 

If you like, make it a condition that, whatever the result, they cannot have another referendum for a set period; twenty years, perhaps?

 

 

These results show that there is no clear majority either way.

[7by7]

11 minutes ago, nauseus said:

1 hour ago, 7by7 said:

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If you like, make it a condition that, whatever the result, they cannot have another referendum for a set period; twenty years, perhaps?

Well that's what everyone was told last time.

 

Nothing in the Act or any other official document to place a time limit on when another referendum could be held.

[7by7]

10 minutes ago, nauseus said:

These results show that there is no clear majority either way.

Opinion polls are one thing; but the only poll that counts is the one through the ballot box.

 

Why are you afraid of the Scots having another independence referendum?

 

A question asked many times of those who oppose one; but as yet a question unanswered. 

 

Will you answer it this time; or cop out again?

[nauseus]

37 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

Nothing in the Act or any other official document to place a time limit on when another referendum could be held.

I know. I didn't say that.

[nauseus]

34 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

Opinion polls are one thing; but the only poll that counts is the one through the ballot box.

 

Why are you afraid of the Scots having another independence referendum?

 

A question asked many times of those who oppose one; but as yet a question unanswered. 

 

Will you answer it this time; or cop out again?

The example given was from a poll (or polls). That's what I was commenting on.  

 

I didn't say I was afraid of the Scots having another independence referendum.

 

Your persistent presumptions are as boring as ever.

[rott]

3 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

No not really.

Polls show an average of 55% in favour of independence with 45% preferring the union.

Thats a complete about face of the "overwhelming" majority in the last referendum.

And an about face of the "Protestants" and Rangers supporters who always vociferously supported Northern Ireland remaining in the Union and under the Crown. But who want Scotland to be a Republic. 

How are they best described.? 

Two-faced.? Traitorous.? Perhaps you or they could explain. 

 

[Rookiescot]

6 hours ago, rott said:

And an about face of the "Protestants" and Rangers supporters who always vociferously supported Northern Ireland remaining in the Union and under the Crown. But who want Scotland to be a Republic. 

How are they best described.? 

Two-faced.? Traitorous.? Perhaps you or they could explain. 

 

What are you trying to say?

Are you suggesting Rangers supporters who want independence are traitors or are you saying Rangers supporters who do not want independence are traitors?

 

By the way the only people who use the word traitor around here are the Brexiteer unionists.

[Rookiescot]

8 hours ago, nauseus said:

These results show that there is no clear majority either way.

Really?

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_on_Scottish_independence

[RuamRudy]

11 hours ago, nauseus said:

Well that's what everyone was told last time.

Where? Why are you resorting to lies to try to bolster your position?

[RuamRudy]

9 hours ago, rott said:

And an about face of the "Protestants" and Rangers supporters who always vociferously supported Northern Ireland remaining in the Union and under the Crown. But who want Scotland to be a Republic. 

How are they best described.? 

Two-faced.? Traitorous.? Perhaps you or they could explain. 

 

Maybe they are simply the better educated, more aspirational youth who are not cowed into voting along football / kirk lines? My father was a working class man who voted Tory all his life despite the Tories p!ssing all over him and his fellow workers daily. He didn't vote Tory because of ideological reasons, he did so because he thought that is what protestant working class men did.

 

He would probably still vote Tory now, were he alive, despite Johnson leading the most corrupt, most callous, most incompetent Tory government in living memory. 

 

To call anyone a traitor for holding a political viewpoint different to your own is a dangerous slope to go down. But to suggest that people should be behooved to a political party by dint of their background is utterly laughable. 

[evadgib]

9 hours ago, rott said:

And an about face of the "Protestants" and Rangers supporters who always vociferously supported Northern Ireland remaining in the Union and under the Crown. But who want Scotland to be a Republic. 

How are they best described.? 

Two-faced.? Traitorous.? Perhaps you or they could explain. 

 

Not everyone understands the difference between Loyalist & Unionist.

[nauseus]

6 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Really?

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_on_Scottish_independence

Ooh, a new chart, lovely!

[nauseus]

4 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

Where? Why are you resorting to lies to try to bolster your position?

Funny. Looks like Salmond was backtracking even before the Brexit vote:

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/alex-salmond-makes-u-turn-over-once-generation-scottish-independence-referendum-10500405.html

[Rookiescot]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

Ooh, a new chart, lovely!

And what does it show?

Oh yes a clear majority for independence. Something you were claiming does not exist.

Not to worry. We are used to it by now.

[Rookiescot]

54 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Funny. Looks like Salmond was backtracking even before the Brexit vote:

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/alex-salmond-makes-u-turn-over-once-generation-scottish-independence-referendum-10500405.html

Did you think the issue of independence was going to go away just because you English nationalists lost interest?

[nauseus]

40 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

And what does it show?

Oh yes a clear majority for independence. Something you were claiming does not exist.

Not to worry. We are used to it by now.

It shows a different chart from the one I commented on before. 

 

If you shop around you'll probably find something you like. Not to worry. We are used to it by now.

[nauseus]

39 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Did you think the issue of independence was going to go away just because you English nationalists lost interest?

Typically unjustified comments. Not to worry. We are used to them by now.

[Rookiescot]

38 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Typically unjustified comments. Not to worry. We are used to them by now.

Oh OK then the desire for Scottish independence has gone away.

It must be true because the English nationalists have declared it to be so.

Ah well we will get used to it I'm sure.

Edited October 13, 2020 by Rookiescot

[transam]

3 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Oh OK then the desire for Scottish independence has gone away.

It must be true because the English nationalists have declared it to be so.

Ah well we will get used to it I'm sure.

Looking at the SNP at the mo, I reckon your aspirations are not looking to good.

Mrs. Corvid finally walked yet....?

[RuamRudy]

Just now, transam said:

Looking at the SNP at the mo, I reckon your aspirations are not looking to good.

Mrs. Corvid finally walked yet....?

Sadly not. She is an unfortunate distraction from the £15 billion of public money that has been handed out by the government in corrupt contracts to their friends and donors for PPE that will never be delivered. Sadly the media is colluding with the government to try and cover it up.

 

But fear not!,The Good Law Project is on the case! They have initiated court proceedings against our corrupt government and their corrupt practices - lets hope we see criminal prosecutions all the way to our incompetent and corrupt PM. 

 

If anyone wants to financially support The Good Law Project's case against our corrupt government, you can read all about it here: https://goodlawproject.org/news/the-ppe-fiasco/

 

 

[nauseus]

12 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Oh OK then the desire for Scottish independence has gone away.

It must be true because the English nationalists have declared it to be so.

Ah well we will get used to it I'm sure.

Who's doing all the declaring? Oh, I know!  ????

[Rookiescot]

9 minutes ago, transam said:

Looking at the SNP at the mo, I reckon your aspirations are not looking to good.

Mrs. Corvid finally walked yet....?

Not yet.

Has Mr Corvid walked yet?

[Rookiescot]

1 minute ago, nauseus said:

Who's doing all the declaring? Oh, I know!  ????

Look at the thread. Its full of English nationalists telling Scotland what is and is not the case.

Including yourself.

You will of course excuse us Scots if we completely ignore your English centric views though.

[nauseus]

3 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Sadly not. She is an unfortunate distraction from the £15 billion of public money that has been handed out by the government in corrupt contracts to their friends and donors for PPE that will never be delivered. Sadly the media is colluding with the government to try and cover it up.

 

But fear not!,The Good Law Project is on the case! They have initiated court proceedings against our corrupt government and their corrupt practices - lets hope we see criminal prosecutions all the way to our incompetent and corrupt PM. 

 

If anyone wants to financially support The Good Law Project's case against our corrupt government, you can read all about it here: https://goodlawproject.org/news/the-ppe-fiasco/

 

 

I just read enough - took me 2 minutes - remainer porn site.

[nauseus]

Just now, Rookiescot said:

Look at the thread. Its full of English nationalists telling Scotland what is and is not the case.

Including yourself.

You will of course excuse us Scots if we completely ignore your English centric views though.

Another severe case of burnt pot and dark kettle, Poirot?

[RuamRudy]

4 minutes ago, nauseus said:

I just read enough - took me 2 minutes - remainer porn site.

Your eagerness to turn a blind eye to the people who are literally stealing from you is utterly bewildering.