UK minister surprised by Scottish independence referendum move

[tebee]

4 hours ago, vogie said:

What a load of tosh. Brexit had nothing to do with the Scots Nationalist wanting to partition the UK, are you seriously saying that without the Brexit vote that the Scots Nationalist would have been content to live in perfect harmony with their lairy neighbours 'the English', of course they wouldn't, any excuse would have sufficed.

When you voted in 2014 for your 'independence', you yourselves were voting to leave the EU, try being a little more honest.

So you don't think that a nation not wanting to be governed by unelected bureaucrats elsewhere  might influence another nation in not wanting to be governed by unelected bureaucrats elsewhere?

 

Brexit rhetoric has a lot to answer for. 

[7by7]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

Yes I was going to mention that, it is strange and even co-incidental when ever the SNP/Mrs Sturgeon is in a pickle or even front page news along comes another mysterious voting intention poll. I will have to sleep on that one I'm afraid. 

Is it true that the Englisman Angus Robertson has set up his own polling company?

 This YouGov poll from August shows Scottish independence: Yes leads by 53% to 47%. Tell us, what pickle was Sturgeon in then; my memory fails me.

 

You used to be a big fan of polls, especially YouGov, and regularly posted their results when they showed that Boris had the support of the majority. Now that those same polls show the opposite you dismiss them as worthless!

 

 

[transam]

53 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

Sorry, it was you that thought you would get a cheap grammar shot in trying to deflect, even though you know it’s frowned upon on TVF. 

 

I was just concerned. You are already getting battered in here, no need to lose the grammar discussion as well by making a proper Boris of it. 

Don't think getting battered, just the Scottish shield thumpers have chips...

Sorry, will get my coat.....???? 

[Kadilo]

1 minute ago, transam said:

Don't think getting battered, just the Scottish shield thumpers have chips...

Sorry, will get my coat.....???? 

I know you can do better than that. 

[7by7]

2 hours ago, transam said:

That reads like yourself.....????

 

Plus, it is obvious that you want the total break up of the UK....Sad really...

 

 Comparing the SNP to the BUF is dangerous ground for a supporter of Boris!

 

Boris Johnson Defended Nazi-Supporting Austrian Politician Against the EU.

[transam]

15 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

Sturgeon is the SNP leader and has not been prosecuted for anything that I am aware of.

 

But if you meant Salmond; then yes, he was acquitted of all charges. What fire is still smouldering? That he is a supporter of Scottish independence and therefore in your mind must be guilty regardless?

 

Yes, he did resign as finance minister and from the party; jumped before he was pushed. Derek Mackay urged to quit as MSP over messages sent to boy

As with an MP at Westminster, it is not within a party's power to force an MSP to resign from their seat at Holyrood. Indeed, there is currently no recall system at Holyrood similar to that at Westminster.

 

I understand that MacKay is still an MSP, which is shameful, but as with Ferrier the SNP have done all that is within their power.

 

I assume that you are talking about Ferrier? If so, I repeat; the SNP have sacked her from the party and everyone in the party from Sturgeon down to Ferrier's local party have condemned her and called upon her to resign her seat. There is nothing more they can do.

 

I said that the SNP have acted completely honourably in this matter. They have sacked her from the party and repeatedly called upon her to resign as an MP.

 

Like all political parties, I'm sure that there are occasions when they have not been as honourable. No party nor politician has a cupboard completely free of skeletons; and that includes your hero Boris. Is it honourable to cheat on your wife with a number of women before leaving her for yet another?

 

Correct; for the reasons given in Durham Police's statement.

 

How do you know how many people, if any, she mixed with? Were you on the train with her?

 

Even if she followed the strict social distancing rules applicable on all public transport here, including wearing a mask for the entire journey, that does not excuse her actions.

 

No, simply pointing the rules out. Are you saying that you know of MPs who have broken those rules and got away with it? If so, I understand that The Sun will pay you a generous amount for the details!

 

 Yes, I quoted you 12 times as I was responding to 12 different posts by you! If you wish to set a limit on the number of posts others can make, maybe you should set an example yourself, first!

 

You have two unfailing responses when you're presented with facts which you cannot dispute; ignore them or make a comment similar to the above. Therefore that response was anticipated; nay, expected.

 

I've tried it before; but quoting from and replying to posts across multiple pages presents some difficulties as they can disappear into cyberspace when moving from page to page; not always, but sometimes.

 

If you follow your own advice and put all your points into one concise post that will eliminate the problem.

 

There's a good chap!

I hope you are not posting all that in working hours time, you seem to be, anyway, I am going to give your round-about a miss today, sorry if you spent a lot of working hours writing that lot....????

[transam]

3 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 Comparing the SNP to the BUF is dangerous ground for a supporter of Boris!

 

Boris Johnson Defended Nazi-Supporting Austrian Politician Against the EU.

Oh do be quiet.....Read again, it says "yourself"

Not the SNP, the poster....Gawd..????....

[kingdong]

10 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

 

The EU is already fighting in Scotlands corner. Preparing the way for when we rejoin. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/oct/14/eu-deal-still-possible-pm-to-be-told-as-potential-fisheries-plan-emerges

 

"In an indication of a possible opening, Barnier had told MEPs on Tuesday that Downing Street needed to offer Scottish fishermen an opportunity to develop fisheries in their own waters, in light of the growing independence sentiment in Scotland."

 

 

All barnier is doing is using you as pawns (or should it be prawns ) to cause trouble for England,  and you,ve fallen for it,

[kingdong]

18 minutes ago, transam said:

I hope you are not posting all that in working hours time, you seem to be, anyway, I am going to give your round-about a miss today, sorry if you spent a lot of working hours writing that lot....????

Was it a post? Thought it was a novel.

[7by7]

9 minutes ago, transam said:

I hope you are not posting all that in working hours time, you seem to be, anyway, I am going to give your round-about a miss today, sorry if you spent a lot of working hours writing that lot....????

 

You ask me to put everything in one post, then complain when I do as you requested!

 

As expected, you refuse to make any sort of intelligent response to the points raised; for the usual reason that you have none.

 

Maybe it's because you are making your posts in your drinking hours?

[7by7]

11 minutes ago, transam said:

Oh do be quiet.....Read again, it says "yourself"

Not the SNP, the poster....Gawd..????....

Comparing anyone to the BUF is dangerous ground for a Boris supporter!

 

But I thought you said you were ignoring me today?

Edited October 15, 2020 by 7by7
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[Rookiescot]

7 minutes ago, kingdong said:

All barnier is doing is using you as pawns (or should it be prawns ) to cause trouble for England,  and you,ve fallen for it,

I dont see anyone coming to help the Brexiteers.

Wonder why that is?

Barnier is preparing the way for an independent Scotland to rejoin the EU. The fact it irritates Brexiteers is probably just a Brucie bonus for him ????

 

 

[kingdong]

51 minutes ago, tebee said:

So you don't think that a nation not wanting to be governed by unelected bureaucrats elsewhere  might influence another nation in not wanting to be governed by unelected bureaucrats elsewhere?

 

Brexit rhetoric has a lot to answer for. 

SNP pig headedness has a lot to answer for,all barnier is doing is using them as bargaining chips in negotiations with the UK .if that's Scotland Scottish attitude to democracy then let them leave?,just remember one thing though all you ex pats living in the los if you get the Spanish archer from there due to the Chinese, you,re not going to have a country to return to.

Edited October 15, 2020 by kingdong

[Rookiescot]

6 minutes ago, kingdong said:

SNP pig headedness has a lot to answer for,all barnier is doing is using them as bargaining chips in negotiations with the UK .if that's Scotland Scottish attitude to democracy then let them leave?,just remember one thing though all you ex pats living in the los if you get the Spanish archer from there due to the Chinese, you,reven  not going to have a country to return to.

Scotland is going to cease to exist if it declares independence? Where did that come from?

Oh yeah now I remember where you get your info from. 

 

[talahtnut]

UK ministers should be surprised that they are the only people to be paid for being stupid.

[Phulublub]

53 minutes ago, vogie said:

Why are you telling me this, I repeat, it has nothing to do with what I said, I said 'the snp wanted independence before the EU referendum and they wanted it after the EU referendum' Do you agree? If you want to add your own words to what I said, that is entirely your choice.

I have kept saying that the SNP (and supporters) have always wanted independence.  That is not the portion of the populatoion who have changed their minds.

 

In your original post you said...

 

When you voted in 2014 for your 'independence', you yourselves were voting to leave the EU, try being a little more honest.

 

The whole of the Scottish electorate was able to vote, not just the SNP.  A large number of those voting to stay in the UK did so partly because leaving the UK may well have meant leaving the EU as well.  I know because I was there.  I did not vote for independence partly because i knew it might also entail leaving the EU.

 

Brexit changes that equation hugely.  Leaving the UK now may just mean that Scotland could rejoin the EU.  Were I still resdent in Scotland I might very well vote to become independent from an increasingly isolationist England.

 

PH

[Rookiescot]

1 minute ago, talahtnut said:

UK ministers should be surprised that they are the only people to be paid for being stupid.

Yes but when it comes to being stupid they are world class and deserve every penny.

Including that near 4000 pound pay rise they just voted for themselves. ????

[kingdong]

8 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Scotland is going to cease to exist if it declares independence? Where did that come from?

Oh yeah now I remember where you get your info from. 

 

The scotland you knew isn't, t going to exist,hope you like curried goat

Because it won't be too long before it replaces haggis as your national dish.

[Rookiescot]

1 minute ago, kingdong said:

The scotland you knew isn't, t going to exist,hope you like curried goat

Because it won't be too long before it replaces haggis as your national dish.

Ah and there it is. The latent hatred of immigrants which pervades the thinking of Brexiteers. 

Well maybe we will take on board the beliefs of Brexiteers.

Upon independence Scotland will straddle the world dictating trade deals around the globe. We will stride like a colossus as country after country falls over itself to join our empire. We shall walk our unicorns in the sunlight uplands. There will be no downside to independence. We will take back control. Sovereignty. We hold all the cards. 

[kingdong]

33 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Ah and there it is. The latent hatred of immigrants which pervades the thinking of Brexiteers. 

Well maybe we will take on board the beliefs of Brexiteers.

Upon independence Scotland will straddle the world dictating trade deals around the globe. We will stride like a colossus as country after country falls over itself to join our empire. We shall walk our unicorns in the sunlight uplands. There will be no downside to independence. We will take back control. Sovereignty. We hold all the cards. 

First you tried to put words in my mouth now the race card,it's not racism, just simple arithmetic ,you want to kak your bed fine but don't, kak England's,  anyway barnier will look after you and I.must sure you'll  live happily ever after, au revoir 

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Ah OK. Polls are to be ignored from now on. Until you finally find one that suits your agenda and then you will be waving it from the rafters.

Pot calling Orson.

[Rookiescot]

6 minutes ago, kingdong said:

First you tried to put words in my mouth now the race card,it's not racism, just simple arithmetic ,you want to kak your bed fine but don't, kak England's,  anyway barnier will look after you and I.must sure you'll  live happily ever after, au revoir 

You let your slip show and got called up on it.

The fact you dont like facing it is your issue not mine.

[kingdong]

8 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

You let your slip show and got called up on it.

The fact you dont like facing it is your issue not mine.

Let my slip show?what are you on about?made an early start on it today?

[rott]

On 10/14/2020 at 10:14 AM, Rookiescot said:

Still none the wiser.

Who says they want independence for Scotland but Northern Ireland must remain part of the UK?

As a self-proclaimed Protestant and Rangers supporter are you saying you have never sung or chanted anything with an Ulster is British theme.? 

[Rookiescot]

2 minutes ago, rott said:

As a self-proclaimed Protestant and Rangers supporter are you saying you have never sung or chanted anything with an Ulster is British theme.? 

What has that got to do with my post?

I asked you who says they want an independent Scotland but Northern Ireland must remain in the UK?

Its a genuine question because I have never heard of anyone calling for that.

[Rookiescot]

24 minutes ago, kingdong said:

Let my slip show?what are you on about?made an early start on it today?

Lets face it. Immigration was the reason you and most others voted for Brexit.

What you did with your curried goat post was let everyone know it.

At least Loiner is up front and honest about it.

[rott]

On 10/14/2020 at 4:43 PM, Surelynot said:

What a surprise from the National. 

[rott]

On 10/14/2020 at 6:08 PM, 7by7 said:

No; Ulster Loyalists.

 

What do you think is wrong with that definition? 

 

Are you saying that one cannot be a Unionists without also being a Loyalist?

 

If so; you are wrong.

 

You may very well be correct; but so what?

Many loyalists I know are purely nominal Protestants. I think Thatcher would have been the same. 

[rott]

18 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

What has that got to do with my post?

I asked you who says they want an independent Scotland but Northern Ireland must remain in the UK?

Its a genuine question because I have never heard of anyone calling for that.

This is like pulling teeth. 

 

I am saying that as a self proclaimed Protestant and Rangers supporter you will have supported Ulster Unionism. 

So how can you want them in the UK but Scotland out? 

[Rookiescot]

3 minutes ago, rott said:

This is like pulling teeth. 

 

I am saying that as a self proclaimed Protestant and Rangers supporter you will have supported Ulster Unionism. 

So how can you want them in the UK but Scotland out? 

Why on earth would you assume I support Ulster Unionism?

I dont even refer to it as Ulster. I refer to it as Northern Ireland.

Do you honestly think ALL Rangers supporters are Ulster Unionists?

Good grief.