Rival groups square off at Kentucky Derby as summer of protests grinds on

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Rival groups square off at Kentucky Derby as summer of protests grinds on

 

Far-right activists and self-described militia members and Black Lives Matter activists scuffle on the day of the Kentucky Derby horse race in Louisville, Kentucky, U.S. September 5, 2020. REUTERS/Bryan Woolston

 

(Reuters) - Armed supporters of the police and anti-racism protesters squared off near the famed Kentucky Derby horse race on Saturday, as dueling demonstrations over racial justice and policing continued to grind on across U.S. cities.

 

As the afternoon wore on, a large group of protesters marched toward the Churchill Downs track chanting "No Justice, No Derby" - a nod to an earlier call by activists for the historic race in Louisville, Kentucky, to be canceled. The race was being held without spectators to prevent the spread of the coronavirus.

 

Meanwhile, a group of about 200 members of NFAC -- a Black militia group which has protested against police killings of Black people -- had gathered at a park just outside Churchill Downs and were inspecting their weapons, with the Derby preliminaries well underway inside.

 

Louisville has emerged as one flashpoint in a summer of unrest due to the death of Breonna Taylor, a Black 26-year-old woman who was killed when the city's police burst into her apartment with a "no-knock" arrest warrant in March.

 

Earlier on Saturday, some of the counterprotesters outside Churchill Downs, brandishing pistols and long guns, squared off with a group of Black Lives Matter protesters and got into shoving matches. People on both sides screamed, faces inches apart. After about 45 minutes, police cleared the people from the park, but the protests outside Churchill Downs continued.

 

The counterprotesters included about 250 pro-police demonstrators, including Dylan Stevens, the leader of a group who goes by the nickname "The Angry Viking." According to his website, Stevens supports Republican President Donald Trump, the police, the military and the right to bear arms.

 

Demonstrations against racism and police brutality have swept the United States since May 25 when George Floyd, a Black man, died after a Minneapolis police officer knelt on his neck for nearly nine minutes.

 

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In Portland, Oregon -- another protest flashpoint -- police arrested 27 people overnight, mostly on charges of interfering with law enforcement or disorderly conduct.

 

"Officers began to make targeted arrests and in some cases moved the crowd back and kept them out of the street," police said in a news release on Saturday.

 

One arrested protester was injured with a "bleeding abrasion" on her head, police said.

 

Portland has become the epicenter of demonstrations, with protests taking place nightly over the last three months calling for policing and social justice reforms. These have at times turned into clashes between demonstrators and officers, as well as between right- and left-wing groups.

 

Police shot and killed a self-declared anti-fascist activist in Washington state on Thursday night as they moved in to arrest him on suspicion he fatally shot a right-wing counterprotester last weekend in Portland.

 

The Trump administration deployed federal officers to Portland in July to crack down on the protests. Trump signed a memo on Wednesday that threatens to cut federal funding to "lawless" cities, including Portland.

 

His Democratic challenger in the Nov. 3 presidential election, former Vice President Joe Biden, has accused Trump of stoking violence with his rhetoric.

 

In Rochester, New York on Friday night nearly 1,000 demonstrators marched downtown to protest the March death of black man Daniel Prude in police custody.

 

This week, both Trump and Biden visited Kenosha, Wisconsin. The Midwestern city was the site of clashes among protesters, police and militia after a white policeman there shot Jacob Blake in the back multiple times. Blake, who is Black, was paralyzed from the waist down.

 

Biden met with Blake's family and spoke with Blake on the telephone, and has expressed sympathy with people protesting police violence.

 

Trump toured damaged businesses, decried what he calls "lawless" protesters and defended police departments as upholders of "law and order," while declining to condemn right-wing armed vigilantes who have been accused of attacking protesters in Kenosha.

 

A group called RefuseFascism.org said it has organized protests in 23 cities on Saturday, calling Trump's actions a form of fascism that will worsen if he is elected for a second four-year term.

 

(Reporting by Rich McKay in Atlanta, Jonathan Allen in New York, Nathan Layne in Wilton, Connecticut and Bryan Woolston and Jim Urquhart in Louisville, Kentucky; Editing by Aurora Ellis, Alistair Bell and Jonathan Oatis)

 

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[Tug]

I’m sure trump is disappointed there wasent bloodshed to wip up his vigalanties

[scorecard]

25 minutes ago, Tug said:

I’m sure trump is disappointed there wasent bloodshed to wip up his vigalanties

But he could always call in the army, he's very popular with the military right now.

[Sujo]

Trumps idea of maga.

[Stocky]

6 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Trumps idea of maga.

MAGA? - you mean 'Morons are governing America'

[worgeordie]

A day at "The Races" used to be a fun thing,now

it's just about race.

regards worgeordie

[Morch]

3 hours ago, scorecard said:

But he could always call in the army, he's very popular with the military right now.

 

"Please leave a message after the beep".

 

And could someone, please, provide a pic of the opposing idiots clashing, but with proper hats. It's race day, after all.

[ballpoint]

Brings a whole new meaning to 'race riots'.

[JackThompson]

From the Article:
 

Quote

Demonstrations against racism and police brutality have swept the United States since May 25 when George Floyd, a Black man, died after a Minneapolis police officer knelt on his neck for nearly nine minutes.

Correction:

Quote

... died from a Heart Attack, resulting from Drug-Overdose after ...

... why he was saying he could not breathe, even before telling police he wanted to be put on the ground.  The officer's "knee" placement had nothing to do with his death. 

 

And if you get busted on a counterfit-money charge, I guarantee the cops don't care what color you skin is - you ARE going to be taken to jail. 

 

As well, regarding calling for medical help (NYT):
 

Quote

The filings also indicate that an ambulance, called early in the encounter, did not respond right away and initially went to the wrong spot.

According to the transcripts, Mr. Lane called for an ambulance after Mr. Floyd’s mouth started bleeding. Mr. Lane told investigators it was likely when Mr. Floyd banged his face on the glass inside of the squad car.

Mr. Lane then upgraded that ambulance request, from a less-serious “Code 2” to a more serious “Code 3,” after Mr. Floyd had repeatedly said he could not breathe and the officers discussed whether he could be high on drugs.

 

Just like ALL the other cases which have sparked riots recently, it the entire narrative is based on a lie.

 

When dealing with cops anywhere, the rules are simple: Keep your hands visible. Follow their orders.  Don't resist or fight them.  But, in this case, Floyd was dying before the cops even arrived at the scene.

[Sujo]

1 minute ago, JackThompson said:

From the Article:
 

Correction:

... why he was saying he could not breathe, even before telling police he wanted to be put on the ground.  The officer's "knee" placement had nothing to do with his death. 

 

And if you get busted on a counterfit-money charge, I guarantee the cops don't care what color you skin is - you ARE going to be taken to jail. 

 

As well, regarding calling for medical help (NYT):
 

 

Just like ALL the other cases which have sparked riots recently, it the entire narrative is based on a lie.

 

When dealing with cops anywhere, the rules are simple: Keep your hands visible. Follow their orders.  Don't resist or fight them.  But, in this case, Floyd was dying before the cops even arrived at the scene.

If you say so.

[xylophone]

Attached is a pic of a few redneck trumpies on their way to Sunday School........

 

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12362573 

Edited September 6, 2020 by xylophone

[wwest5829]

6 hours ago, scorecard said:

But he could always call in the army, he's very popular with the military right now.

He tested that idea earlier, .remember? The Donald was told he cannot have active military serving in law enforcement capacity ... well, not unless martial law is declared.

[4737 Carlin]

7 hours ago, Tug said:

I’m sure trump is disappointed there wasent bloodshed to wip up his vigalanties

Yeah, those illiterate Trump-voting vigalanties who can barely write English.

[opalred]

what goes around comes around/all sick in 2weeks with virus /trump supporters wont know they have it as most stoned or on moonshine

[Puchaiyank]

It is sad to see people rioting,  looting, and burning American cities businesses to the ground.  

 

But then you have to believe that the good people of America, the good deeds...far outweighs the occasional bad actor.

 

Protesting is a constitutional right...burning down people's businesses is not!

[Berti]

You should always see the the positive:

The US will achieve herd immunitiy this way.

200,000 more deaths with the corona virus and it's over.

[scorecard]

2 hours ago, wwest5829 said:

He tested that idea earlier, .remember? The Donald was told he cannot have active military serving in law enforcement capacity ... well, not unless martial law is declared.

OK. But over the last 3.5 years trump has had no regard whatever for the law or for what is moral or ethical.

 

But of course that can't be, everybody knows he's the absolute president of law and order. 

Edited September 6, 2020 by scorecard

[wwest5829]

20 minutes ago, scorecard said:

OK. But over the last 3.5 years trump has had no regard whatever for the law or for what is moral or ethical.

 

But of course that can't be, everybody knows he's the absolute president of law and order. 

Agreed but the U.S. military will not obey. That is why he used Border Patrol, other federal agencies for law enforcement to be sent in. He does still present a clear and present danger. What is even scarier for me is U.S. citizens voluntarily supporting him. I have already said, if he is re-elected, I will have lost my country and will no longer be able to support. Oh, the fascists can do without me, I know my insignificance, but the history will show nonetheless, that this citizen, having DNA from before the founding ... is lost.

Edited September 6, 2020 by wwest5829

[xylophone]

3 hours ago, wwest5829 said:

He tested that idea earlier, .remember? The Donald was told he cannot have active military serving in law enforcement capacity ... well, not unless martial law is declared.

I think you missed the sarcasm in that post!!

[wwest5829]

1 hour ago, xylophone said:

I think you missed the sarcasm in that post!!

Mayhaps ...

[Scott]

Troll post removed.   Please stay on topic. 

 

[MajarTheLion]

6 hours ago, wwest5829 said:

Agreed but the U.S. military will not obey. That is why he used Border Patrol, other federal agencies for law enforcement to be sent in. He does still present a clear and present danger. What is even scarier for me is U.S. citizens voluntarily supporting him. I have already said, if he is re-elected, I will have lost my country and will no longer be able to support. Oh, the fascists can do without me, I know my insignificance, but the history will show nonetheless, that this citizen, having DNA from before the founding ... is lost.

What is your source of information that the US military will not obey Trump?

[PatOngo]

14 hours ago, Stocky said:

MAGA? - you mean 'Morons are governing America'

Perfect! 

[herfiehandbag]

5 hours ago, MajarTheLion said:

What is your source of information that the US military will not obey Trump?

Don't the US military make their oath of allegiance to the Constitution of The United States, rather than to The President of The United States?

Edited September 6, 2020 by herfiehandbag

[wwest5829]

6 hours ago, MajarTheLion said:

What is your source of information that the US military will not obey Trump?

While no one can predict an unknown future, this issue has already been approached by The Donald. The result was that the legal advisors stated that there is law on the books already forbidding the use, as I stated. Absolute proof ... no but as a student of history I can be fairly assured, especially in light of near term events. Kind of like predicting what a ruling from the SCOTUS will be in light of recent rulings. in addition, all US military members take an Oath to uphold the Constitution, that includes their Chain of Command. there is little if anything suggesting the US military would participate in a coup d'etat.

[JackThompson]

On 9/6/2020 at 4:31 PM, wwest5829 said:

He tested that idea earlier, .remember? The Donald was told he cannot have active military serving in law enforcement capacity ... well, not unless martial law is declared.

Is that what Eisenhower did, when he federalized the national-guard, to integrate a school? 

It seems to me, having your life threatened by mobs, and/or your life's-work business burned down, would qualify as a civil-rights violation. 

 

Trump tweeting "Law and Order," while doing nothing to protection Americans lives and property for months, was a disgrace.

[JackThompson]

10 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

Don't the US military make their oath of allegiance to the Constitution of The United States, rather than to The President of The United States?

Yes, and who is the commander-in-chief, under the Constitution?  Not that it matters, because Jared's orders stand - no protection for Americans from the mobs.

[wwest5829]

1 hour ago, JackThompson said:

Is that what Eisenhower did, when he federalized the national-guard, to integrate a school? 

It seems to me, having your life threatened by mobs, and/or your life's-work business burned down, would qualify as a civil-rights violation. 

 

Trump tweeting "Law and Order," while doing nothing to protection Americans lives and property for months, was a disgrace.

Eisenhower was enforcing the ruling of the Supreme Court in Brown versus the Board of Education declaring “separate by equal” schools were inherently unequal. There is no SCOTUS ruling to be enforced here. It is up to the elected state Executive Branch representatives to enforce unless they state that they are unable to handle their law enforcement responsibilities and ask for federal help. Even then ... active military cannot be assigned to law enforcement without declaring martial law. Of course, the way our system works The Donald can try an action and deal with the Judicial Branch ruling ( he has had both success and failure on recent court battles). As to a “civil-rights violation ... free to take it to court. “Law and Oder” has been heard before in both the anti-Vietnam War protests and earlier Civil Rights battles.

[wwest5829]

1 hour ago, JackThompson said:

Yes, and who is the commander-in-chief, under the Constitution?  Not that it matters, because Jared's orders stand - no protection for Americans from the mobs.

The President, as Commander-in-Chief still has no legal authority to issue and un-Constitutional order.