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[polpott]

3 hours ago, Poet said:

I agree that, now, the advice seems to have settled a bit but suspect we will see yet more iterations. Most of the masks I see people wearing are woefully inadequate, many seem unable to wear them correctly, no one seems to mention that airbourne droplets can also enter via your eyes, and I cannot see how a distance of six feet does anything much if the main vector of transmission is droplets that hang in the air for 20 minutes.

And you continue to completely miss the point of masks. You wear them to protect others from you. Masks prevent airborne droplets from spraying from your mouth. You don't spray droplets out of your eyes.

 

As we say in Pattaya "Mitts, masks and metres" what's difficult to understand about that? 

[polpott]

2 hours ago, Canuck1966 said:

My sister has one of the top jobs in the NHS and the vaccine will 100% be rolled out on the 14th October in the UK

The US will obviously have a similar date too.

She is currently working on the logistics of it.

It's a massive undertaking 

 

NHS staff will get it first followed by people who are most vulnerable. 

 

 

My daughter is the same and is currently working with Covid patients. She says "no vaccine until some time next year".

[polpott]

2 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Not a lot of transparency occurring in the UK with the serious adverse reaction that occurred with one particular trial vaccine recipient:

 

The patients condition was investigated, which was why the trial was stopped, and found not related to the vaccine, which was why the trial was restarted. Its standard during drug trials. No further information on the patient's condition was given because it was unrelated to the trial and we have something called "patient confidentiality" in the UK.

[soalbundy]

"He was confused, probably, no wait, I'm confused, maybe, I'll ask Ivanka"

[bodga]

5 hours ago, J Town said:

When you believe ONE MAN above Science,

you know  youre  dealing with a religion!!

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

15 minutes ago, polpott said:

The patients condition was investigated, which was why the trial was stopped, and found not related to the vaccine, which was why the trial was restarted. Its standard during drug trials. No further information on the patient's condition was given because it was unrelated to the trial and we have something called "patient confidentiality" in the UK.

 

1. From everything I've read, there's been no conclusive/certain findings that the adverse reaction was not related to the vaccine, only presumptions and "may not be" related.

 

2. At least in the early going, the UK folks weren't sharing with their counterparts in the U.S. what the actual diagnosis was, how it was determined, what was done after that, how exactly/on what facts the UK review board determined to restart their trial.

 

As I and others in the medical community have already said publicly, a significant lack of transparency related to the UK virus trial and its adverse impact case.

 

It had nothing to do with patient confidentiality, despite the Uk claims about that. Nobody cared about the identity of the patient. What the medical folks cared about was his condition, diagnosis, treatment, medical history, etc etc.

 

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/growing-calls-for-more-transparency-on-how-vaccine-trials-are-run-1.4354461

 

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Growing calls for more transparency on how vaccine trials are run

Researchers say drug companies need to be more open with the public

The morning after the world learned that a closely watched clinical trial of a coronavirus vaccine – being developed by AstraZeneca and Oxford University – had been halted last week over safety concerns, the company’s chief executive disclosed that a person given the vaccine had experienced serious neurological symptoms. But the remarks were not public. Instead, the chief executive, Pascal Soriot of AstraZeneca, spoke at a closed meeting organised by JP Morgan, the investment bank.

AstraZeneca said last Saturday that an outside panel had cleared its trial in Britain to begin again, but the company still has not given any details about the patient’s medical condition, nor has it released a transcript of Soriot’s remarks to investors, which were reported by the news outlet STAT and later confirmed by an analyst for JP Morgan.

 

Edited September 17, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[polpott]

2 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

1. From everything I've read, there's been no conclusive/certain findings that the adverse reaction was not related to the vaccine, only presumptions and "may not be" related.

 

2. At least in the early going, the UK folks weren't sharing with their counterparts in the U.S. what the actual diagnosis was, how it was determined, what was done after that, how exactly/on what facts the UK review board determined to restart their trial.

 

As I and others in the medical community have already said publicly, a significant lack of transparency related to the UK virus trial and its adverse impact case.

 

It had nothing to do with patient confidentiality, despite the Uk claims about that. Nobody cared about the identity of the patient. What the medical folks cared about was his condition, diagnosis, treatment, medical history, etc etc.

 

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/growing-calls-for-more-transparency-on-how-vaccine-trials-are-run-1.4354461

 

 

 

 

What business is it of the Americans? The trials will be totally transparent when the trial is finished and the results published in the lancet. Then all can peer review the findings and subsequently put to the appropriate bodies for approval. Its the proper way to conduct trials, not give a running commentary.

[heybruce]

2 hours ago, Berkshire said:

There's no way I'd take a vaccine pushed by Trump.  The FDA under Trump is also compromised.  Thankfully, the drug companies involved have pledged to not even request FDA approval until they're certain their vaccine is safe and effective.  Can you imagine a for-profit drug company being more trustworthy than the President? 

"Can you imagine a for-profit drug company being more trustworthy than the President? "

 

Four years ago, absolutely not.  Today, in our "through the looking glass" world, yes.

[nakornpingpong]

1 minute ago, polpott said:

What business is it of the Americans? 

If the vaccine isn't going to be offered to Americans, then none.

[polpott]

1 minute ago, heybruce said:

"Can you imagine a for-profit drug company being more trustworthy than the President? "

 

Four years ago, absolutely not.  Today, in our "through the looking glass" world, yes.

The Oxford University/Astra Zenica vaccine will be supplied free to all British citizens and on an "at cost" basis for the rest of the world. However, it needs to be noted that Oxford University is a British research institute and Astra Zenica is a British drug company. No Americans involved.

[polpott]

5 minutes ago, nakornpingpong said:

If the vaccine isn't going to be offered to Americans, then none.

Trump never mentions it when touting "wonderful vaccines just around the corner" so if he remains president I assume not.

[Bender Rodriguez]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

masks might be even more effective.

no need for vaccine

 

thailand, open your borders now

[nakornpingpong]

3 minutes ago, polpott said:

Trump never mentions it when touting "wonderful vaccines just around the corner" so if he remains president I assume not.

AstraZeneca scores $1.2B from U.S., signs up to deliver hundreds of millions of COVID-19 vaccines

https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/astrazeneca-scores-1b-from-u-s-signs-up-to-deliver-hundreds-millions-covid-19-vaccines

Edited September 17, 2020 by nakornpingpong

[polpott]

3 minutes ago, nakornpingpong said:

AstraZeneca scores $1.2B from U.S., signs up to deliver hundreds of millions of COVID-19 vaccines

https://www.foxbusiness.com/healthcare/astrazeneca-covid-19-trial-on-hold-while-fda-investigates-serious-illness

Oh well its Fox News so it must be true. 555

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

17 minutes ago, polpott said:

What business is it of the Americans? The trials will be totally transparent when the trial is finished and the results published in the lancet. Then all can peer review the findings and subsequently put to the appropriate bodies for approval. Its the proper way to conduct trials, not give a running commentary.

 

What business is it of the Americans?  How about....

 

Because the same vaccine candidate is simultaneously undergoing other parallel trials in other countries including the U.S., and Americans may end up being the majority of people tested in the overall trials of this vaccine candidate. So needless to say except for you, Americans and the rest of the world have a significant interest in what's going on with the Oxford/AZ trial, and any potential pitifalls to emerge.

 

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The illness may turn out to have nothing to do with the vaccine. If so, the trial, which may enroll as many as 50,000 people worldwide, including up to 30,000 in the United States, may resume.

 

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Vaccine trials resumed in the United Kingdom on September 12 after the U.K.’s Medicines & Healthcare products Regulatory Agency said it was safe to do so, AstraZeneca said in a statement. Brazil’s trial also resumed September 12. In the United States, AstraZeneca had just started recruiting volunteers for a Phase III trial when the pause occurred. 

 

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid19-pause-astrazeneca-oxford-vaccine-trial

 

Edited September 17, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[polpott]

4 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Because the same vaccine candidate is simultaneously undergoing other parallel trials in other countries including the U.S., which has its own regulatory approval process. So needless to say except for you, the rest of the world has a significant interest in what's going on with the Oxford/AZ trial, and any potential pitifalls to emerge.

 

 

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid19-pause-astrazeneca-oxford-vaccine-trial

 

And, as I said, the world will see the full report when the trial is concluded. As someone who works in medicine, you would know that's normal procedure, wouldn't you?

 

The governing bodies of all countries in volved in the trial have been informed of the outcome of the investigation and have given permission for the trial to continue in their respective countries.

 

Edited September 17, 2020 by polpott

[Canuck1966]

45 minutes ago, polpott said:

My daughter is the same and is currently working with Covid patients. She says "no vaccine until some time next year".

Its absolutely happening.  She is very high up so maybe its a need to know

 

One other thing is there is a massive problem in the nhs regarding staff infecting patients.

The Daily Mail are going to expose it soon.

Staff not social distancing, not following protocols, going to mass events

The nhs will start to be vilified.

100s if not 1000s of staff are being isolated 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

3 minutes ago, polpott said:

And, as I said, the world will see the full report when the trial is concluded. As someone who works in medicine, you would know that's normal procedure, wouldn't you?

 

If there is a potential issue with a vaccine candidate based on the UK experience thus far, I as an American would certainly want to know all the details before we proceed with injecting up to 30,000 American volunteers with the same trial vaccine. And not wait some months later in a peer reviewed journal article to find out the whole thing was going wrong.

 

Edited September 17, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[polpott]

Just now, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

If there is a potential issue with a vaccine candidate based on the UK experience thus far, I as an American would certainly want to know all the details before we proceed with injecting up to 30,000 American volunteers with the same trial vaccine.

 

See my edit.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

10 minutes ago, polpott said:

 

The governing bodies of all countries in volved in the trial have been informed of the outcome of the investigation and have given permission for the trial to continue in their respective countries.

 

The U.S., as potentially the largest trial participant, has not yet resumed its trial of the vaccine.

 

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AstraZeneca’s U.S. Trial Remains on Hold Pending FDA Review

Sept. 16, 2020, 8:03 PM

 

AstraZeneca Plc’s Covid-19 vaccine study remains paused in the U.S. pending a regulatory review of an incident in which a U.K. participant became ill, federal officials said.

The British drugmaker and its partner, the University of Oxford, put research into the shot on hold last week after the volunteer suffered neurological symptoms. Trials resumed in the U.K. over the weekend, while researchers in South Africa also restarted tests, saying that an independent safety committee concluded that the event was unlikely to be related to the vaccination.

 

 

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/coronavirus/astrazenecas-u-s-trial-remains-on-hold-pending-review-by-fda

Edited September 17, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[polpott]

8 minutes ago, Canuck1966 said:

Its absolutely happening.  She is very high up so maybe its a need to know

 

One other thing is there is a massive problem in the nhs regarding staff infecting patients.

The Daily Mail are going to expose it soon.

Staff not social distancing, not following protocols, going to mass events

The nhs will start to be vilified.

100s if not 1000s of staff are being isolated 

 

Sorry mate but your sister's winding you up Complete nonsense.

[nakornpingpong]

2 hours ago, Canuck1966 said:

That patient's illness was nothing to do with the vaccination.  

The roll out is a matter of fact on the 14th October 

AstraZeneca CEO Sees Oxford Vaccine Possible by End of Year, Despite Setback

https://www.wsj.com/articles/astrazeneca-ceo-sees-oxford-vaccine-possible-by-end-of-year-despite-setback-11599733063

[polpott]

2 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

The U.S., as potentially the largest trial participant, has not yet resumed its trial of the vaccine.

Maybe Trump has put his size 9s in it. Hes determined that a US vaccine will be first on the market. He's gutted that its a British company leading the way, no money in it for him. Not to worry, every other country has restarted the trials, I'm sure we can manage without the US.

[natway09]

Who's confused ?

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

16 minutes ago, polpott said:

Maybe Trump has put his size 9s in it. Hes determined that a US vaccine will be first on the market. He's gutted that its a British company leading the way, no money in it for him. Not to worry, every other country has restarted the trials, I'm sure we can manage without the US.

 

In that case, I'm sure AstraZeneca will happily be willing to forgo the $1.2 billion funding contract they have with the U.S. federal government for development of their vaccine candidate.

 

https://www.statnews.com/pharmalot/2020/05/21/astrazeneca-covid19-coronavirus-vaccine-barda/

 

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U.S. gives up to $1.2 billion to AstraZeneca for Covid-19 vaccine

 

 

The race over funding and access to a Covid-19 vaccine is heating up as the U.S. government pledged to commit up to $1.2 billion to AstraZeneca (AZN) for its efforts and obtain at least 300 million doses of any vaccine by October. And as part of the deal with the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority, the drug maker will begin late-stage clinical trials this summer with roughly 30,000 people in the U.S.

 

In a statement, Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar called the contract a “major milestone” in Operation Warp Speed, a newly launched Trump administration program to accelerate Covid-19 medical products to the American public. 

 

 

[Canuck1966]

35 minutes ago, polpott said:

Sorry mate but your sister's winding you up Complete nonsense.

Afraid not! I was in the house when the conference call was in progress!!

[polpott]

Just now, Canuck1966 said:

Afraid not! I was in the house when the conference call was in progress!!

Yes, course you were Malcom. 555

[polpott]

14 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

In that case, I'm sure AstraZeneca will happily be willing to forgo the $1.2 billion funding contract they have with the U.S. federal government for development of their vaccine candidate.

 

https://www.statnews.com/pharmalot/2020/05/21/astrazeneca-covid19-coronavirus-vaccine-barda/

 

 

Yep. No problem. Trump will probably renege on the deal anyway.

[xylophone]

5 hours ago, Poet said:

Most of the masks I see people wearing are woefully inadequate, many seem unable to wear them correctly,

That would seem to be the case with a certain section in the US..........

 

Edited September 17, 2020 by xylophone

[Xaos]

This whole confusion is part of thier little political game they playing. Its all about elections in nov. I believe there will be no vaccine now or latter or if it will be most will refuse to take, ppl woke. 

 

CDC is corrupted and should be audited.