Hunt on for Irishman accused of murdering Thai woman in Pattaya

[polpott]

1 hour ago, donnacha said:

Adopting such a haughty position, when you clearly have not read the reports from the first time this story was reported, runs the risk of making you look somewhat foolish.

Many Loyalists have a work history in Ireland because the wages are far higher. Northern Ireland itself is actually quite small.

 

With the absence of any evidence that he was a loyalist, I don't think that its me that looks foolish.

[donnacha]

35 minutes ago, colinneil said:

Has this happened to you, or are you just going on hearsay?

I have only just noticed your additional edit.

It is not hearsay to be aware of standard police practice all over the world.

As you are remaining somewhat cagey about whether you were arrested for MURDER, which is what we are talking about here, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and presume that the offense you were arrested for was something less serious.

So, for shoplifting, they would not have considered you to be a serious flight risk. There was no need for them to hold onto your passport, and the investigation probably only took them a short time. Maybe review the CCTV footage in 7-Eleven, confirm that the digestive biscuits and can of tuna were returned, review the note from your doctor etc.

A murder investigation would take longer and the consequences for the accused would be more worrying than shoplifting, so, they would be considered a higher flight risk, and the police would usually retain the accused's passport.

 

[donnacha]

2 minutes ago, polpott said:

With the absence of any evidence that he was a loyalist, I don't think that its me that looks foolish.

Nope. As I say, I read the last thread, you have not. Simple as that.

 

[mikebell]

Another triumph for Pattaya Plod. PM's much vaunted police reforms are still a pipedream and justice is only ever bought.

[polpott]

3 minutes ago, donnacha said:

Nope. As I say, I read the last thread, you have not. Simple as that.

 

Link?

[Kerryd]

For those of you who are unaware (the majority it seems), in Thailand almost everyone charged with almost any crime is eligible for bail. Even murderers. Even criminals already in prison for murder.

For example, the famous case of Khaman Pho (the godfather of Chon Buri and actual father of it's present mayor, a previous mayor as well as the current mayor of Bang Saen).
He was found guilty of arranging the murder of a political rival and given a sentence of 25 years in prison. He appealed the ruling and was allowed out on bail (10 million baht) to fight the charge.
At the same time he was also charged in a corruption case over a land deal. He never attended the trials (the appeal or the corruption case). It seems he disappeared right after getting bail.
His murder conviction was upheld and he was given just over 5 more years in prison for the corruption case.
He was on the run for almost 8 years (not that anyone apparently was trying to catch him) and was finally arrested in 2013 as he was travelling to a hospital in Bangkok.

I was surprised to read that this "Irishman" (who was identified as a Brit in all the previous news articles) was apparently back in (Ireland or wherever). I'm guessing he was able to post bail and somehow get out of the country without the authorities finding out. Maybe he went to the Embassy and got Emergency Travel documents and flew out before they knew about the charges. Or was able to sneak into Cambodia or another country, then fly back. 
(Though you'd think the police would have to inform the Embassy as soon as they arrest someone. Not sure the Embassy would give Emergency Travel docs to someone who was out on bail on murder charges.)

Or maybe he had 2 passports as someone suggested. Wouldn't be the first time someone has done that.

Of course, this guy could have also used someone else's passport to travel. Pretty much assured that if you bear a fair resemblance to the passport photo and the passport isn't flagged for any reason, they aren't going to question if you are actually the person shown in it.

I don't think I've ever had anyone ask me to prove I was the same person (like asking for a second photo ID). (Except for the people who issue passports in Canada. Knowing you had to prove your ID to get a passport, they won't accept a valid passport as proof of ID, but will take a birth certificate that has no photo on it as proof.)

[donnacha]

1 minute ago, polpott said:

Link?

The link is literally right there in this thread. Why don't you wake up and figure out some of the basics for yourself?

 

[ChipButty]

18 minutes ago, donnacha said:

Were you being investigated for murder?

 

worse than that

[steven100]

oh the luck of the irish !  to be sure to be sure  !!

as mentioned, if anyone wants him, please contact their local Irish pub .... he'll drop in sure enough 

[donnacha]

 

2 minutes ago, ChipButty said:

20 minutes ago, donnacha said:

Were you being investigated for murder?

 

Yes

Are you speaking for yourself or colinneil?

 

[ChipButty]

2 minutes ago, donnacha said:

 

Are you speaking for yourself or colinneil?

 

Joking

[donnacha]

12 minutes ago, ChipButty said:

Joking

Phew ????

A relief to know that I didn't just suggest that a known murderer might have lifted a can of tuna!

 

[Yinn]

Sex workers and drug. Scum.

 

A second woman told the Sunday Life newspaper in the North that she had survived a terrifying attack by Mr Elliott in a hotel room only a few months earlier.

Thailand-based sex worker Christina Ka described him as a Jekyll and Hyde character.

“He turned from this normal, happy guy into this complete maniac who was screaming at me, hitting me and trying to strangle me,” she said.

 

linkhttps://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/gardai-searching-for-irishman-accused-of-murdering-thai-sex-worker-39552306.html

 

 

[dingdongrb]

26 minutes ago, colinneil said:

I disagree, police did not confiscate my passport.

Has this happened to you, or are you just going on hearsay?

Did you not read my post?

[donnacha]

12 minutes ago, Kerryd said:

I was surprised to read that this "Irishman" (who was identified as a Brit in all the previous news articles) was apparently back in (Ireland or wherever).

They reported him from the start as being from Northern Ireland because of the big Red Hand of Ulster flag draped over the front of his house in all the arrest photos. He was asked as they bundled him into a pickup truck and he said he was from there.

People from both traditions in Northern Ireland would consider themselves as Irish, with British Irish being a term the loyalists sometimes use to distinguish themselves from the Irish nationalists. Nationalists tend to be Catholic and fly the Irish tricolour. Loyalists are generally Protestant and would usually fly the Union Jack. The Red Hand flag is more associated with the loyalist paramilitaries, which are essentially gangs involved in low-level crime and intimidation.

 

[polpott]

2 hours ago, donnacha said:

The class of Northern Ireland "Loyalist" who would proudly display a Red Hand of Ulster flag is equivalent to someone in the United States flying a confederate flag from the roof of his trailer home, or an Afrikaner with a swastika tattooed on his forehead.

These are trashy and dangerous people who tend to mostly socialize with their own kind and operate a form of omertà. That can come in useful in the aftermath of any mating rituals involving a machete.

99% of people from Northern Ireland are decent but if you ever come across someone with this flag as a tattoo or on their t-shirt, be wary of any involvement.
 

The flag is the Ulster Banner. As used by the NI football team and the NI Commonwealth games team. Not a loyalist flag per say. I see no tattoos that indicate in any way that this guy is a loyalist.

 

       

 

 

[DPKANKAN]

16 hours ago, kingofthemountain said:

If someone can explain me how a foreigner accused of murder on

a Thai woman, arrested and detained by the Thai police and after

that he had confessed to killing her, has managed to fly back to

his country ? It should be in a prison in Thailand waiting the trial

or i have missed something?

Not Burmese 'scapegoat'!!!????????????????????????????????

[polpott]

19 minutes ago, Yinn said:

“He turned from this normal, happy guy into this complete maniac who was screaming at me, hitting me and trying to strangle me,” she said.

I've met a few Thai women who do the same after a couple of drinks.

[ChipButty]

There was a farang in Phuket years ago as soon as he got bail managed to do one, never to be seen again

[Surasak]

17 hours ago, kingofthemountain said:

If someone can explain me how a foreigner accused of murder on

a Thai woman, arrested and detained by the Thai police and after

that he had confessed to killing her, has managed to fly back to

his country ? It should be in a prison in Thailand waiting the trial

or i have missed something?

You haven't , but a lot of other people who should know better obviously have.

[rott]

3 hours ago, donnacha said:

The class of Northern Ireland "Loyalist" who would proudly display a Red Hand of Ulster flag is equivalent to someone in the United States flying a confederate flag from the roof of his trailer home, or an Afrikaner with a swastika tattooed on his forehead.

These are trashy and dangerous people who tend to mostly socialize with their own kind and operate a form of omertà. That can come in useful in the aftermath of any mating rituals involving a machete.

99% of people from Northern Ireland are decent but if you ever come across someone with this flag as a tattoo or on their t-shirt, be wary of any involvement.

 

Absolute garbage and uninformed bigotry. 

[rott]

34 minutes ago, donnacha said:

They reported him from the start as being from Northern Ireland because of the big Red Hand of Ulster flag draped over the front of his house in all the arrest photos. He was asked as they bundled him into a pickup truck and he said he was from there.

People from both traditions in Northern Ireland would consider themselves as Irish, with British Irish being a term the loyalists sometimes use to distinguish themselves from the Irish nationalists. Nationalists tend to be Catholic and fly the Irish tricolour. Loyalists are generally Protestant and would usually fly the Union Jack. The Red Hand flag is more associated with the loyalist paramilitaries, which are essentially gangs involved in low-level crime and intimidation.

 

It is actually the flag of Northern Ireland, but do not let the facts get in the way of your slander. 

[donnacha]

19 minutes ago, rott said:

Absolute garbage and uninformed bigotry. 

Having said, right there, that 99% of people from Northern Ireland, meaning from both traditions, are decent, I feel I'm on solid ground in pointing out that the tiny, ignorant minority of loyalists who would travel to faraway countries and feel it necessary to flaunt that implicitly racist flag, associated with centuries of oppression of the indigenous Irish, are precisely the sort of scum who would chop up and, apparently, gift-wrap their Thai bargirl.

I and all my people are deeply informed on this. It is not bigotry to detest bigots.

 

[Benmart]

17 hours ago, from the home of CC said:

hang the dog..

"when like-minded people get together, they often end up thinking a more extreme version of what they thought before they started to talk to one another".

Cass R. Sunstein

[hotchilli]

18 hours ago, Pottinger said:

...and then he miraculously escaped the notoriously tight custody of the RTP?

Sounds a bit like the Red Bull saga, wanted for murder but escapes to another country, is then wanted on an arrest charge.

I wonder which one will be found first?

[ChipButty]

2 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

Sounds a bit like the Red Bull saga, wanted for murder but escapes to another country, is then wanted on an arrest charge.

I wonder which one will be found first?

No prizes for guessing

[prakhonchai nick]

1 hour ago, colinneil said:

I disagree, police did not confiscate my passport.

Has this happened to you, or are you just going on hearsay?

But you didn't murder your wife, did you Colin......though you may have wanted to.????????

[murraynz]

18 hours ago, kingofthemountain said:

If someone can explain me how a foreigner accused of murder on

a Thai woman, arrested and detained by the Thai police and after

that he had confessed to killing her, has managed to fly back to

his country ? It should be in a prison in Thailand waiting the trial

or i have missed something?

I thought it was only thai people or those with money,that they let off for murder..

I hope they catch the mongrel and he gets locked up for long long time

[klauskunkel]

Alternate Headline:

Thai Police Managed to Lose Their Suspect, Again

[mberbae]

Completely mind boggling how murderers and killers of Policemen can

be allowed to escape, but peaceful student protestors are hunted down

and arrested.