6 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

I'm sure British people will remember that the next time Germany and France fall out over whose really ruling and calling all the shots (pun intended).

 

You'll be on your own next time. Probably won't end well.

Why oh why it took so long for them ....to go back in time once more to remember Brits did it ALL allone ????....????

2 hours ago, transam said:

Correct, even Merkel is giving Macron grief.....

Sorry Mr. Macron, our waters are our waters, try frog farming to make ends meet....????

or Snail farming ????

Just now, david555 said:

Why oh why it took so long ....to go back in time once more to remember Brits did it ALL allone ????....????

 

No, they did it with Poles, Czechs, Americans, Indians, Australians, New Zealanders, South Africans, Canadians, Irish etc etc etc. 

 

They didn't cave in after a few weeks and capitulate, collaborate and collude with the onerous Nazis.

 

The stumbling block seems to be French and Spanish fishing industries wanting to plunder British waters at will and not accept a sensible agreement like the EU has with Norway on fishing. And Macron is too scared of the political muscle of the French fishing and agriculture sectors to act sensibly, preferring to ignore conservation and intelligent scientific advice on the matter.

 

You should be more worried about Germany. Sure, they want ever closer EU federal union, as they see Germany dominating and ruling. But they also don't want their industries to suffer to pander to greedy French and Spanish fishermen who have no regard for sustainable fishing. 

1 hour ago, rupert the bear said:

isnt it time that both sides realised that a deal is whats important,we still wish to buy german cars and italian shoes and they want our goods too,german car ind is what powers europe,its on its knees,Uk is #1 mkt outside germany.fish,its not really the prime economic driver here and those waters are no longer EU waters so ......theyll have a reduced quota,live with it,cars are more important. the french agri biz too.our ability to import those goods and export ours especially the city of london and its services which cant be matched in franfurt,we all have something to offer.greece portugal and spain need our retirees and holiday makers,i hope to join em shortly as im done with this nonsense here.we are being side tracked here ,the spanish fleets denuded the worlds seas so......it makes sense for all,get on with it and merkel shout in barniers ear.....again.

 

That's what it will boil down to. Will Germany, in the interests of "ever closer union" be willing to accept hits to its industries to protect the greedy French and Spanish fishermen who never want anything but their own way?

 

Add to the that the unhappy Italians, Greeks, Hungarians, Poles and Austrians and cracks are beginning to appear. Germany can't continue to buy off the grumbles anymore; nor does it seem likely they'll get away using the dubious Ursula vdL and the bureaucrats to browbeat others into towing their line. Using the EU Courts to bully others won't work as German courts recently said German law over rules EU law and courts. 

 

Sadly, with all this going on, the likes of Putin, Xi, etc must be wetting themselves laughing.

4 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

That's what it will boil down to. Will Germany, in the interests of "ever closer union" be willing to accept hits to its industries to protect the greedy French and Spanish fishermen who never want anything but their own way?

 

Add to the that the unhappy Italians, Greeks, Hungarians, Poles and Austrians and cracks are beginning to appear. Germany can't continue to buy off the grumbles anymore; nor does it seem likely they'll get away using the dubious Ursula vdL and the bureaucrats to browbeat others into towing their line. Using the EU Courts to bully others won't work as German courts recently said German law over rules EU law and courts. 

 

Sadly, with all this going on, the likes of Putin, Xi, etc must be wetting themselves laughing.

So slowly you see what your U.K. Brexit created ….. if your summary would be correct..... if I said ...

29 minutes ago, transam said:

Really, YOU, in the last 2 minutes have posted 3 "sad" emijons on my posts, and you don't follow me......????

Nope I don't, in fact only notice you when you fail to engage me in debate...

19 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

The stumbling block seems to be French and Spanish fishing industries wanting to plunder British waters at will and not accept a sensible agreement like the EU has with Norway on fishing. And Macron is too scared of the political muscle of the French fishing and agriculture sectors to act sensibly, preferring to ignore conservation and intelligent scientific advice on the matter.

Imo if a deal is to be struck, the EU will have to compromise on its stance re fishing in UK waters. However, in a similar vein, the UK will have to compromise on state aid. It is absurd that Johnson believes that he can get access to the single market on terms that are effectively better than those under which member states operate.

19 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

You should be more worried about Germany. Sure, they want ever closer EU federal union, as they see Germany dominating and ruling. But they also don't want their industries to suffer to pander to greedy French and Spanish fishermen who have no regard for sustainable fishing. 

Germany is the dominant state in the EU with or without federalism. In any event, I'd suggest that until the member states can agree precisely what federalism looks like, its implementation remains some way off.

7 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Nope I don't, in fact only notice you when you fail to engage me in debate...

Total nonsense......????

50 minutes ago, transam said:

Total nonsense......????

You said it...

5 hours ago, transam said:

Correct, even Merkel is giving Macron grief.....

Sorry Mr. Macron, our waters are our waters, try frog farming to make ends meet....????

One day member Khunken will actually write something in a reply to me instead of his usual "sad" face....????.....Do you have dyslexia or something...?

14 minutes ago, transam said:

One day member Khunken will actually write something in a reply to me instead of his usual "sad" face....????.....Do you have dyslexia or something...?

You will have a long wait, he does exactly the same with my posts, never engages in sensible conversation, just sad emojis.

20 minutes ago, transam said:

One day member Khunken will actually write something in a reply to me instead of his usual "sad" face....????.....Do you have dyslexia or something...?

Why dont u do a pm instead of posting this trash. Something on topic would be nice.

 

The UK is out, EU doesnt need to do anything. Why is it taking so long, just leave and be done with it.

2 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Why dont u do a pm instead of posting this trash. Something on topic would be nice.

 

The UK is out, EU doesnt need to do anything. Why is it taking so long, just leave and be done with it.

1. Perhaps because I am not the only one being emijoned with no words, and I can tell you, I am not, plus you do similar, about 3 in the last few minutes, now that is "sad"...

 

2. Seems you don't understand stuff....

 

10 hours ago, rooster59 said:

The two chief negotiators, the EU's Michel Barnier and Britain's David Frost, say they are inching towards a deal ahead of the Oct. 15 deadline, though they have underscored that important gaps remain.

So where is this extension the Remainers would have us believe Boris grovelled for? He's putting the screws on Merkel and Macron. 

10 hours ago, rooster59 said:

"He underlined that a deal was better for both sides, but also that the UK was prepared to end the transition period on Australia-style terms if an agreement could not be found," Johnson's office said.

Just cut straight to a No Deal end of transition Boris.

Ditch the WA, NIP and any idea of a FRA until the EU can sort themselves out. 

12 minutes ago, colinneil said:

You will have a long wait, he does exactly the same with my posts, never engages in sensible conversation, just sad emojis.

that's why they created the ignore list 555

4 minutes ago, Loiner said:

So where is this extension the Remainers would have us believe Boris grovelled for? He's putting the screws on Merkel and Macron. 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1346362/Brexit-news-eu-trade-deal-latest-boris-johnson-michel-barnier-brussels-sell-out

1 minute ago, Loiner said:

Just cut straight to a No Deal end of transition Boris.

Ditch the WA, NIP and any idea of a FRA until the EU can sort themselves out. 

and to make sure all goes well without hurdles, we will hold the door open for you on your way out.. bye bye be safe

1 minute ago, Surelynot said:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1346362/Brexit-news-eu-trade-deal-latest-boris-johnson-michel-barnier-brussels-sell-out

So which do you believe - Grauniad's prediction of an extension, or Brexit organisation warning about the WA?  

3 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

Johnson won because Corbyn managed to loose 60 seats in the Commons, many from die-hard traditional Labour areas whilst Swinson managed to take the Liberals to new depths of obscurity.

 Indeed, Labour lost the election rather than the Conservatives winning it.

 

But despite the abysmal Swinson, the LibDems increased their share of the vote by 4.2%. Compared to the Conservatives comparatively meagre increase of 1.2%. (Source)

 

3 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

His performance thereafter is open to fair criticism and his cabinet look inept and full of poor performers.

He will probably go before the next election.

Indeed; it's not a question of 'if,' but of 'when.' I doubt that even the spinmeister Cummings can protect his puppet for much longer; certainly not until 2024. They may make it to early 2021; but not much further. The Tory grandees will make sure of that.

 

His replacement? Judged on popularity in the country alone, my money's on Sunak; provided he can weather the storm over the furlough replacement.

3 hours ago, RayC said:

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In any event, I'd suggest that until the member states can agree precisely what federalism looks like, its implementation remains some way off.

Since federalism would require the unanimous agreement of all member states; a very long way off I reckon.

24 minutes ago, transam said:

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Perhaps because I am not the only one being emijoned with no words, and I can tell you, I am not,

Indeed you are not; it is, after all, a tactic which you, yourself, regularly employ!

 

As do most of your fellow ardent Brexiteers.

1 hour ago, Loiner said:

Just cut straight to a No Deal end of transition Boris.

Ditch the WA, NIP and any idea of a FRA until the EU can sort themselves out. 

Might as well bin the rest of the Statute Book while you're at it.

3 minutes ago, RayC said:

Might as well bin the rest of the Statute Book while you're at it.

 Plus any and all treaties and agreements previously signed by HMG if Boris decides he doesn't like them!

5 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

BJ is just like Trump: represents a minority, but has been making a series of bad decisions that will adversely affect the vast majority of the people, and the country, for years to come. 

But he did manage to win a General election with a greatly increased majority in the HoP, so many people must think that he is doing a far better job than any other party and party leader in the UK.

 

Neither you nor I or anybody else in the UK or the EU knows what the effect Brexit will have on the UK or the EU for several years after the end of this year. Many people will guess and stab in the dark, the "experts" will forecast gloom and doom as they always do but no body has any real idea.

Can those who want all EU fishing in UK waters explain what will happen to those UK boats currently fishing in EU waters if no agreement on fishing is reached?

 

I suspect that either you lot haven't considered that, or, more likely, will demand the EU continue to allow that even if we stop them from fishing in our waters. You'll then complain of EU bullying when they don't!

 

What is the reality?

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In 2019, the UK fleet had the second-largest total catch (in terms of landed weight) and the second-largest fleet size (in gross tonnage terms) in the EU........

In 2019, the total weight of fish landed by UK vessels in the UK and abroad was 621,900 tonnes, of which 230,700 tonnes (37%) were landed abroad.........

In 2019, UK vessels landed 502,000 tonnes of fish (worth £851 million) from UK waters, 81% of all their landings from North-East Atlantic waters (87% by value). They landed 91,000 tonnes of fish (£81 million) from EU waters, representing 15% of all landings from these waters (8% by value).

(See attached pdf document.)

 

Note that last sentence: 15% by weight, 8% by value of all landings from EU waters made by UK boats!

 

Tell us, O Brexiteers, what will happen to the fish caught in EU waters by UK boats, what will happen to UK fishers who currently fish in EU waters and land in the EU if no agreement is reached and they are no longer able to so do?

SN02788.pdf

3 minutes ago, billd766 said:

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But he did manage to win a General election with a greatly increased majority in the HoP, so many people must think that he is doing a far better job than any other party and party leader in the UK.

But with an increase of only 1.2% in the share of the vote! Even the woeful Swinson managed better than that!

 

That gave the Conservatives 43.6% of the vote. So most people didn't vote for him nor his party!

 

Since then, opinion poll after opinion poll have shown that his credibility as PM is rapidly falling. The latest YouGov poll, for example, showing that 57% say he is doing badly while 35% who say he is doing well.

5 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

BJ is just like Trump: represents a minority, but has been making a series of bad decisions that will adversely affect the vast majority of the people, and the country, for years to come. 

The thing is, Boris Johnson's government was elected, fair and square, under the system which the UK has, and has had, for many years. 

 

Now if you don't like that system, (and if you are a UK citizen) then you are entirely free to campaign for another system which you would prefer. Bear in mind however the last time such a proposal was put to the British people in a referendum (2011?) - oh Lord, not one of those again - it was firmly rejected.

just a few days to go then its all off to WTO rules and macron can boil his head despite his threats as paris generates 30000 covids a day .game over for EU monkeys

8 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

just a few days to go then its all off to WTO rules and macron can boil his head despite his threats as paris generates 30000 covids a day .game over for EU monkeys

Get with the script mate.

Johnson has already capitulated over his deadline.