Covid-19 Insanity Continues?

[Tounge Thaied]

Fact: There were 1.5 million deaths in 2018 for Tuberculosis (a highly contagious airborne transmittable disease) and there was no Pandemic declared. Why now.. why this virus? You could say it was those Imperial College of London models right? The known failed researcher Neil Ferguson... who just got it all wrong AGAIN. But why do we continue with the insanity, in fact accelerating it after we now know better? Tens of millions as projected have not and will not die. 

[2long]

I totally agree with you.

Some people I know are conspiracy theorists, which I am not. But I do feel that governments around the world are afraid of getting it wrong, due to the fear caused by social media & Google.

I feel that it's all about big pharma (mainly USA) looking to cash in, more than inject us with sterilising microchips.

Open up and get on with life!

[patman30]

even when the C19 insnaity ends
the draconian measures put in place will remain, sadly

Edited October 11, 2020 by patman30

[Lacessit]

Classic look over there OP. There's a few inconvenient facts intruding:

 

Tuberculosis has a very effective vaccine. To date, COVID-19 has none.

 

Tuberculosis is caused by a bacterium. As such, it is readily treatable by antibiotics. COVID-19 cannot, just like any other virus.

 

Tuberculosis is most prevalent in countries that have not had an effective vaccination program. Coronavirus affects every country, that's why it's called a pandemic whereas tuberculosis is not.

 

In terms of transmission, unless you can provide an authoritative source comparing transmission risks of tuberculosis and COVID-19, it's a red herring.

[Don Chance]

Here are 8 reasons COVID is so much worse than the covidiots think,

-COVID Can Damage Your Heart
-COVID Damages Young People's Hearts Even When They Don't Have Symptoms
-COVID Can Damage Your Brain and Even Produce Dementia, Parkinson's
-Months After COVID Infection, You Can Still Lose Your Taste and Smell
-Many Get Chronic Fatigue—and Nobody Knows How Long It Will Last
-You Can Damage Your Fingers and Toes, and Even Lose Your Legs
-You May Think You're Getting Better, and Then It Kills You
-You May Not Even Know You Have It—Until You Infect Somebody Else.

https://www.alternet.org/2020/09/here-are-8-reasons-covid-is-so-much-worse-than-the-skeptics-think/

[OneMoreFarang]

1 hour ago, Tounge Thaied said:

There were 1.5 million deaths in 2018 for Tuberculosis

How many people do you know who have or had Tuberculosis?

How many do you know who have or had Covid-19?

I don't know anybody with the first but a few people with the second.

It does not hurt to be careful with Covid 19. I don't want to get infected and I am sure many others also don't want it.

The economy is anyhow down in Thailand. Be inviting Covid infected people it wouldn't get any better.

[Brunolem]

6 minutes ago, Don Chance said:

Here are 8 reasons COVID is so much worse than the covidiots think,

-COVID Can Damage Your Heart
-COVID Damages Young People's Hearts Even When They Don't Have Symptoms
-COVID Can Damage Your Brain and Even Produce Dementia, Parkinson's
-Months After COVID Infection, You Can Still Lose Your Taste and Smell
-Many Get Chronic Fatigue—and Nobody Knows How Long It Will Last
-You Can Damage Your Fingers and Toes, and Even Lose Your Legs
-You May Think You're Getting Better, and Then It Kills You
-You May Not Even Know You Have It—Until You Infect Somebody Else.

https://www.alternet.org/2020/09/here-are-8-reasons-covid-is-so-much-worse-than-the-skeptics-think/

Hook, line, and sinker...

[Brunolem]

There are major economic changes coming.

 

It is called the "big reset" and is not a conspiracy theory, but the title of the agenda for the next Davos meeting.

 

Before being served, the populace must be tenderized, like bad meat before being served in a mediocre restaurant.

 

The pandemic serves this purpose.

 

People are being cowered and made totally dependent from the "benevolent" state.

 

First they will cry to get a totally useless injection of a rushed, inefficient and maybe dangerous vaccine.

 

Then they will welcome major economic reforms that would have made them take the streets just a year ago...

[Lacessit]

12 minutes ago, Brunolem said:

There are major economic changes coming.

 

It is called the "big reset" and is not a conspiracy theory, but the title of the agenda for the next Davos meeting.

 

Before being served, the populace must be tenderized, like bad meat before being served in a mediocre restaurant.

 

The pandemic serves this purpose.

 

People are being cowered and made totally dependent from the "benevolent" state.

 

First they will cry to get a totally useless injection of a rushed, inefficient and maybe dangerous vaccine.

 

Then they will welcome major economic reforms that would have made them take the streets just a year ago...

I agree with the first sentence. Having said that, the rest of your post puts you in the tin hat brigade.

[mr mr]

6 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I agree with the first sentence. Having said that, the rest of your post puts you in the tin hat brigade.

we shut down the world to stop a virus that you had to get tested in most cases to even know you had it. 

 

 

[Lacessit]

4 minutes ago, mr mr said:

we shut down the world to stop a virus that you had to get tested in most cases to even know you had it. 

 

 

The people on oxygen in intensive care would disagree with you.

[simon43]

54 minutes ago, patman30 said:

even when the C19 insnaity ends
the draconian measures put in place will remain, sadly

I suppose it depends where you live.  Here in Laos there are no draconian measures at all.  The lock-down was successful, no Covid deaths, only 20 cases, all recovered except 1 who is almost recovered!  The only regulations concern international travel, but even today, a full plane load of Lao and foreigners with family/jobs in Laos returned from overseas.  So almost no changes here and nothing that affects my lifestyle whatsoever.

 

Now, I know that's not the case in other countries, such as the UK and USA.  But it's hardly surprising when so many flouted the lock-down, mask and social-distancing rules.  

 

You reap what you sow....

[steven100]

well there you have it ....    lol  OP knows best !!

[mr mr]

3 minutes ago, simon43 said:

So almost no changes here and nothing that affects my lifestyle whatsoever.

and on the 7th day god rested and all was good. 

[Maestro]

Removed an off-topic post (Y2K) and the replies to it.

[Dumbastheycome]

16 minutes ago, Brunolem said:

There are major economic changes coming.

 

It is called the "big reset" and is not a conspiracy theory, but the title of the agenda for the next Davos meeting.

 

Before being served, the populace must be tenderized, like bad meat before being served in a mediocre restaurant.

 

The pandemic serves this purpose.

 

People are being cowered and made totally dependent from the "benevolent" state.

 

First they will cry to get a totally useless injection of a rushed, inefficient and maybe dangerous vaccine.

 

Then they will welcome major economic reforms that would have made them take the streets just a year ago...

Or, if your interpretation of events is that it is a planned "big reset" is it not possible that it is  to prevent the populace taking to the streets eventually in rejection of the social economic imbalance that has been accelerating globally ?

As with the USSR experiment which ultimately stifled social progress and initiative so has the equal but opposite effect of rampant Corporate dictate. Nothing is ever free and regardless of how cheap mass consumerism is made to appeal it also results in becoming beyond the relative poor from who the gross level of profit is extracted even when it is extended by coercion into acceptance of credit finance.

The current pandemic has inflicted undeniable damage on the "system' only to the degree of the "slaves" to that form of economies despite it being insignificant in terms of mortality to the global populace overall.

IMHO I doubt  C-19 is a  deliberate or connived affliction but I do believe there are those who have been  quick to take advantage of it. Whether or not they will retain that advantage is  yet to be seen.

 

[CG1 Blue]

10 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

How about the young and fit people who have months of rehab in front of them, with possibly permanent lung damage? My son in Australia knows two of them. Time to adjust your percentages.

This is a fair point. But you also have to consider the millions of young and fit people who will suffer decades of poverty, mental and physical health issues and even death as a result of lockdowns. 

[Disparate Dan]

1 hour ago, Don Chance said:

https://www.alternet.org/2020/09/here-are-8-reasons-covid-is-so-much-worse-than-the-skeptics-think/

written, if that's the right word, by someone from something called the "Independent Media Institute" - apparently from the US and therefore ignorable.

1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

How many people do you know who have or had Tuberculosis?

How many do you know who have or had Covid-19?

In both cases: none. In the case of HK flu, which killed (pro rata) twice as many as this flu, also none. SARS: none. Bird flu: none. AIDS: none. Etc.

Scientists - including the spectacularly incompetent Ferguson - always want the conservative approach, like the man with the red flag in front of the early cars.

42 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

The people on oxygen in intensive care would disagree with you.

How about the people having (eg) cancer treatment deferred because of the Panic?

 

I know people died/die of TB. The poster was saying how many die, not whether it is preventable or serious. Just who are the 'covidiots' around here?

Reminder: year in, year out, around 400,000 people die of malaria annually. But no-one gives a 4X because they are not in the right locations.

[mr mr]

26 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

How about the young and fit people who have months of rehab in front of them, with possibly permanent lung damage? My son in Australia knows two of them. Time to adjust your percentages.

in the meantime 

 

30 million other human beings have died in the same time period. millions of people have not received treatment for loads of other different diseases. which will cause how many other deaths ? 

about a billion people will be thrust into poverty from this at minimum. if 1 percent of those die as a direct result we are talking 10 million people. 

 

life happens. people die every day. virus will come and go. are we to do this nonsense every time something new happens ? you and your likes can cower in fear over i would rather live. 

 

we are on the cusp of the greatest depression ever seen on this planet. 

 

but lets worry about a few over the health of the entire planet. 

 

bravo. 

 

 

Edited October 11, 2020 by mr mr

[scammed]

26 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

How about the young and fit people who have months of rehab in front of them, with possibly permanent lung damage? My son in Australia knows two of them. Time to adjust your percentages.

yes, its a shame young people die from virus, skiing, drowning,

driving, and a million other things, in short, this aint bambi land,

people die for a myriad of reasons and no reason at all.

but should the world come to a standstill because of

0.0000000000001% young people may die from virus or bicycling ?

a friend of mine nearly died while crossing the road at age 9, should the nation have imposed a lock down and curfew to prevent that it might happen again ? never mind lock down will inevitably

lead to famine and deaths of millions

Edited October 11, 2020 by scammed

[Lacessit]

7 minutes ago, mr mr said:

in the meantime 

 

30 million other human beings have died in the same time period. millions of people have not received treatment for loads of other different diseases. which will cause how many other deaths ? 

about a billion people will be thrust into poverty from this at minimum. if 1 percent of those die as a direct result we are talking 10 million people. 

 

life happens. people die every day. virus will come and go. are we to do this nonsense every time something new happens ? you and your likes can cower in fear over i would rather live. 

 

we are on the cusp of the greatest depression ever seen on this planet. 

 

but lets worry about a few over the health of the entire planet. 

 

bravo. 

 

 

1 million dead is not a few. 8.3 million active cases is not a few.

The countries that acted responsibly were able to treat other diseases in their hospitals, because their systems were not overloaded with patients. Those that didn't ( e.g. USA ) had their hospital systems overwhelmed.

I don't disagree a lot of people are going to have lower living standards. Having said that, the evidence those countries that kept their borders open are doing better economically than those that went into lockdown is vanishingly small.

[nausea]

That's life, people die. It's happened before, it'll happen again. Yeah, I can understand the concern in wanting to mitigate the effects, but crippling the world economy? I suppose the madness will end when the money runs out. Just pity the poor sods who're gonna end up paying for this. Maybe they should do a triage on this - young, little chance of dying, future ruined; old, significant chance of dying, pension saved; middle - a bit of a risk, probably outweighed by the impact on their incomes. If this was a one shot solution maybe I could understand it, but it ain't; in fact, there's no end in sight so far as I can see, apart from people eventually becoming weary of these endless restrictions.

[johnray]

2 hours ago, mr mr said:

i hope you are wearing your mask while writing this conspiracy thread from your mom's basement. 

I think a media machine pumping out lies and propaganda is more conspiring than one guy looking for the truth.

[Jingthing]

Maybe this true life story will help some of the Covidiots understand that this is not about fear mongering.

 

Probably not.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/10/10/coronavirus-denier-sick-spreader/

 

Quote

 

‘What are we so afraid of?’

 

When President Trump got sick, I had this moment of deja vu back to when I first woke up in the hospital. I know what it’s like to be humiliated by this virus. I used to call it the “scamdemic.” 

 

 

[Kinnock]

2 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Classic look over there OP. There's a few inconvenient facts intruding:

 

Tuberculosis has a very effective vaccine. To date, COVID-19 has none.

 

Tuberculosis is caused by a bacterium. As such, it is readily treatable by antibiotics. COVID-19 cannot, just like any other virus.

 

Tuberculosis is most prevalent in countries that have not had an effective vaccination program. Coronavirus affects every country, that's why it's called a pandemic whereas tuberculosis is not.

 

In terms of transmission, unless you can provide an authoritative source comparing transmission risks of tuberculosis and COVID-19, it's a red herring.

You are reinforcing the OP's point.

 

Yes, TB has an effective vaccine, yes it's largely preventable with a vaccination campaign and improvements in basic public health and nutrition ....... and yet it still kills more people every year than COVID-19 - highlighting the illogical over-reaction by many governments.

 

The biological differences between bacteria and viruses are largely irrelevant - we need to assess relative risks and take proportionate actions.

 

Diarrhoeal diseases kill many, many more people than COVID - with most of the deaths being kids under 5 years old.  So why so much focus on COVID and so little on the leading causes of death?

 

Simple truths - COVID mainly kills old, sick people, with a higher fatality rate in the West due to rampant obesity ..... these people would probably die during the year anyway - with or without COVID.  But TB, malaria and diarrhea mainly kills poor children in Africa and South Asia - so the elderly, Western global descision makers don't care.

 

If Johns Hopkins tracked and reported deaths from TB, diarrhea, malaria and HIV every day - people would see the insanity, but reporting COVID stats in isolation has created an unscientific panic.  Add in deaths from heart disease and road accidents, and we could all see the huge mistake being made.

[Brunolem]

2 hours ago, Lacessit said:

I agree with the first sentence. Having said that, the rest of your post puts you in the tin hat brigade.

Why don't you go visit the WEF website and learn? 

[Kinnock]

36 minutes ago, mr mr said:

7.8 billion human beings on this planet. 1 million dead and 8.3 million active cases is pathetically low. 

 

you're talking about .001 percent of the total population of this planet.

 

 

 

 

 

 

.... and global population is still increasing.  The deaths of mainly old, sick people is not even a significant blip in the population increase graph.

[Brunolem]

50 minutes ago, mr mr said:

7.8 billion human beings on this planet. 1 million dead and 8.3 million active cases is pathetically low. 

 

you're talking about .001 percent of the total population of this planet.

Not to mention that, as per the CDC itself, only around 6% of the deaths are fully related to covid 19, the other 94% being deaths WITH covid 19 from people suffering of multiple co-morbities. 

Edited October 11, 2020 by Brunolem

[elliss]

3 hours ago, patman30 said:

even when the C19 insnaity ends
the draconian measures put in place will remain, sadly

 

  Aka , discipline the people , with fear .

 

[elliss]

4 hours ago, 2long said:

 

I feel that it's all about big pharma (mainly USA) looking to cash in, more than inject us with sterilising microchips.

      Good investment option's . All part of the plan , fear ..

       Big , Pharmaceutical companies . 

        US / China ...?

 

Edited October 11, 2020 by elliss