Muslims have 'right to punish' French, says Malaysia's Mahathir

[EVENKEEL]

57 minutes ago, AlfHuy said:

Please do not ban again "French fries" ???? as they were invented in Belgium, not France.

Freedom Fries

[FarFlungFalang]

33 minutes ago, steven100 said:

silly old coote ...   you'd think by 95 he'd know when to shut his mouth

If I remember correctly someone famously said he's a bit of a recalcitrant?

[Flying Saucage]

With this, Mahatir just confirmed how correct the messages of the cartoons are. 

[darksidedog]

Blasphemy has been around for centuries and not that long ago Christians were murdering each other over it. As the world has evolved and freedom of speech has risen, so the attitude of many has softened towards such "crimes."

Jesus has been a regular feature on many satirical cartoons and the Christian world didn't try to murder the shows producers.

Muslims are fully entitled to their faith, but as with the rest of us, respect must be shown primarily to society and its laws. The very suggestion of violence as a means to right a perceived wrong will always in itself be wrong.

Trying to forcefully implement your will onto others is equally unacceptable. You may not like or agree with the situation, but that is how civilisation works.

It is the lack of understanding that civilisation is more important than your religious beliefs that I see as the problem.

[HiSoLowSoNoSo]

Crazy old man, I believe most Malaysians don't agree to this.

[Ganesh108]

A boycott of everything Malaysian is in order. There's not much there anyway except unhealthy palm oil. 

 

Charlie Hebdo, can we have a saucy Mahathir cartoon, please? Like the recent one with Erdogan?

 

 

 

 

[Mavideol]

1 minute ago, darksidedog said:

Blasphemy has been around for centuries and not that long ago Christians were murdering each other over it. As the world has evolved and freedom of speech has risen, so the attitude of many has softened towards such "crimes."

Jesus has been a regular feature on many satirical cartoons and the Christian world didn't try to murder the shows producers.

Muslims are fully entitled to their faith, but as with the rest of us, respect must be shown primarily to society and its laws. The very suggestion of violence as a means to right a perceived wrong will always in itself be wrong.

Trying to forcefully implement your will onto others is equally unacceptable. You may not like or agree with the situation, but that is how civilisation works.

It is the lack of understanding that civilisation is more important than your religious beliefs that I see as the problem.

the majority of the Muslim world is ruled by dictatorship, authoritarian governments that don't understand or/and don't allow any freedom of speech thus using their religion to brain wash and control their radicals/extremists citizens, they can't tolerate   democracy and the freedom that come with it, therefore is much easy for such type of authoritarian/dictatorship to incite to violence then to explain the right of free speech

[spidermike007]

Why don't leaders like this clown speak out when atrocities are committed against innocent civilians in the name of Islam? I am an open minded person, and consider most Muslims to be moderate, and peaceful. But, when the nut jobs commit heinous acts, we need more Muslims in a position of leadership to speak out and condemn this nonsensical thirst for blood. It just might help with the horrendous "PR problem" Islam has around the world at this time. Muslims need to understand if they are not more vocal, alot of uneducated people will lump them all together, with the 1% (maybe) who are extremist. 

 

Some of the most glaring recent examples of religious persecution are the mass atrocities perpetrated by Daesh, one of the most violent terror groups in the world. Daesh became especially notorious for its methods of killings that included burning people alive in cages, beheadings, or throwing people from high buildings in order to punish anyone who opposed its rule.

 

https://www.lausanne.org/content/lga/2019-03/the-atrocities-of-the-islamic-state

 

Or when this event occurred, back in July of 2016, some were courageous to speak out. Did Mahathir say anything, at that time?

 

Arab leaders and leading Muslim clerics have condemned a truck attack that killed at least 84 people on Thursday night in the French city of Nice. Sunni Islam's leading centre of learning, al-Azhar, said the "vile terrorist attack" contradicted Islam and called for "uniting efforts to defeat terrorism and rid the world of its evil". Prominent Egyptian Muslim cleric Shawki Allam condemned the assailant as an "extremist". "People who commit such ugly crimes are corrupt of the earth, and follow in the footsteps of Satan... and are cursed in this life and in the hereafter."

 

https://ing.org/global-condemnations-of-isis-isil/

 

And if someone can please explain to me what it is that Muslims have against any depiction of Mohammed, it would love to hear it. It does seem very extreme, and a bit churlish. 

 

Edited October 30, 2020 by spidermike007

[KhunFred]

A very Muslim kind of statement. "Punish" the government....indeed. The kind of rhetoric that brings on bloody backlash.

[Ganesh108]

2 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

the majority of the Muslim world is ruled by dictatorship, authoritarian governments that don't understand or/and don't allow any freedom of speech thus using their religion to brain wash and control their radicals/extremists citizens, they can't tolerate   democracy and the freedom that come with it, therefore is much easy for such type of authoritarian/dictatorship to incite to violence then to explain the right of free speech

Islam and dictatorship go hand in hand. Islam is fascism. 

[bendejo]

35 minutes ago, Meat Pie 47 said:

Malaysia has a complex multiracial population, predominantly defined by three major ethnic groups: Malay, Chinese and Indian races, with diverse cultural backgrounds.

 

There is a strong element among the more, umm, conservative of the ethnic Malays that it is their country, and foreigners should go home.

A few years ago a member of the legislature didn't know he was being recorded, he referred to the Chinese as squatters.  No need to ask about the Indians.

 

Mahathir is turning into living proof of the old saying "the good die young."  I've heard that he owns a sizable chunk of Argentina as well.

 

[Neeranam]

1 hour ago, darrendsd said:

 

What about all the other attacks?

 

Civil war coming - European countries need to reclaim their countries back

 

 

That fer true, I was in the East end of London recently and it looked more like Bangladesh than the London I remember. 

[giddyup]

2 hours ago, Neeranam said:

I can't recall any British saying that.

  Malaysia has often been promoted as a better place to retire than Thailand on this forum. Were all promoters Brits, don't know.

[Neeranam]

Just now, giddyup said:

  Malaysia has often been promoted as a better place to retire than Thailand on this forum. Were all promoters Brits, don't know.

Strange. Obviously not in the Pattaya forum ???? 

[giddyup]

1 minute ago, Neeranam said:

Strange. Obviously not in the Pattaya forum ???? 

When I said "forum" I meant Thai Visa, but I think it was probably in Farang Pub.

[polpott]

2 hours ago, John Drake said:

Might not be too safe to be a white person in Malaysia, French or not. This guy just said it is open season on them. How many British still think it's better to retire to Malaysia than Thailand?

I had a serious look at Malaysia when I was looking for somewhere to retire to. I detected a serious undercurrent of hatred of the British and quickly struck it off my list. Indigenous Malays were probably some of the most unpleasant people I have ever met.

[irwinfc]

ahhh the religion of peace

[polpott]

1 hour ago, Meat Pie 47 said:

Nonsense

What is the largest ethnic group in Malaysia?

Malaysia has a complex multiracial population, predominantly defined by three major ethnic groups: Malay, Chinese and Indian races, with diverse cultural backgrounds.

68% Malay, 23% Chinese, 7% Indian.

 

I found the Chinese friendly and intelligent. The Malays not.

[polpott]

41 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

And if someone can please explain to me what it is that Muslims have against any depiction of Mohammed, it would love to hear it. It does seem very extreme, and a bit churlish. 

Moslems do not depict Mohammed at all, good or bad. Go into a mosque and you will see no pictures, its against their faith.

[a340bangla1]

1 hour ago, prakhonchai nick said:

40 years ago when I was in Malaysia, travelling all over, there were no obvious signs that the people were Muslim (other than the mosques) No scarves, burquas and all the other coverings the women are forced to wear. What will another 40 years produce?

So true, my experience was/is the same. 

[Pilotman]

yet one more example of the evil and malicious intent  inherent in ALL religions. A God exists? I very much doubt that, but if he does, he must be as evil as any of his adherents. 

[RichardColeman]

Amazing that muslims want to go live in a free speech country and then want to kill people for free speech ! 

[CanadaSam]

1 hour ago, prakhonchai nick said:

All immigrants and refugees given a home in a foreign country must obey that countries rules. No need to give them or their offspring citizenship.

 

For all those who think that Thailand and other "third" world countries are dumb or stupid, for not offering Citizenship on a silver platter to all immigrants, this can be a serious wake-up call to all "first" world countries who do exactly that, it's high time to put into place policies that ensure you need to EARN Citizenship, by proving that you have paid taxes, or contributed in other useful ways to the country in which you wish to obtain Citizenship!

 

1 hour ago, rkidlad said:

2 hours ago, webfact said:

Muslims have 'right to punish' French, says Malaysia's Mahathir

 

 

Well, if that's true, then the French also have "the right to punish" Muslims for the beheading of one of their citizens, but they should do it in a proportionate way, not by killing hundreds or thousands of Muslims, but by ending only one Muslim life in exchange for the one innocent lady who was beheaded, may I suggest that Mahathir himself would be an ideal candidate....

[Eindhoven]

45 minutes ago, polpott said:

I had a serious look at Malaysia when I was looking for somewhere to retire to. I detected a serious undercurrent of hatred of the British and quickly struck it off my list. Indigenous Malays were probably some of the most unpleasant people I have ever met.

 

Cannot say that I agree at all. Contrast the entry at Immigration with Thailand. The first time I ever went to Malaysia, a family invited me to dinner after a short chat whilst I was waiting for a train.

Countless other stories of genuine friendliness. I had heard so much about Thailand, but once I crossed the border from Malaysia to Thailand, that genuine friendliness disappeared. Not that the Thais weren't friendly, but it was certainly a notch or two down from my experience in Malaysia. Certainly quite a few experiences with angry Thais who were unable to sell anything, so abused you instead.

I too am British and didn't detect any such undercurrent at any time.

[Ganesh108]

1 hour ago, prakhonchai nick said:

40 years ago when I was in Malaysia, travelling all over, there were no obvious signs that the people were Muslim (other than the mosques) No scarves, burquas and all the other coverings the women are forced to wear. What will another 40 years produce?

That's a long time ago. In the last two decades Islamic dress has gotten more common, even in KL. Along the upper east coast, people have always been more conservative, with lots of Islamic dress in sight. For a time they even had separate check-out queues for men and women, and in cinemas the lights were left on, so no hanky-panky could take place.

 

Among Muslim-majority countries Malaysia may still be the best, but that's saying gonorrhea is nicer than syphilis. 

[giddyup]

23 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

Amazing that muslims want to go live in a free speech country and then want to kill people for free speech ! 

It seems they are determined to turn their host country into the same sh*thole they came from.

[johnray]

There's literally millions of young, intelligent normal muslims in the world, why is it always an old crazy guy that has the mic?  Someone put him out of his misery.

Edited October 30, 2020 by johnray

[sherwood]

At the risk of being hung out to dry, I believe Islam should be deleted from history, one way or another, oh and christianity along with it.

 

[Eindhoven]

19 minutes ago, CanadaSam said:

 

For all those who think that Thailand and other "third" world countries are dumb or stupid, for not offering Citizenship on a silver platter to all immigrants, this can be a serious wake-up call to all "first" world countries who do exactly that, it's high time to put into place policies that ensure you need to EARN Citizenship, by proving that you have paid taxes, or contributed in other useful ways to the country in which you wish to obtain Citizenship!

 

 

Well, if that's true, then the French also have "the right to punish" Muslims for the beheading of one of their citizens, but they should do it in a proportionate way, not by killing hundreds or thousands of Muslims, but by ending only one Muslim life in exchange for the one innocent lady who was beheaded, may I suggest that Mahathir himself would be an ideal candidate....

 

 

Shame that no one here actually bothered to read the article. He actually was talking about massacres of the past and the fact that Muslims were being denounced for the act of a mad extremists.

He certainly wasn't saying that any Muslim should attack anyone.

 

Read:

 

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Mahathir, 95, a respected leader in the Muslim world, said he believed in freedom of expression but it should not be used to insult others.

 

“Muslims have a right to be angry and to kill millions of French people for the massacres of the past,” Mahathir wrote in one of the tweets, which was later removed from the platform for violating its rules.

 

He continued: “But by and large, the Muslims have not applied the ‘eye for an eye’ law. Muslims don’t. The French shouldn’t.

 

“Since you have blamed all Muslims and the Muslims’ religion for what was done by one angry person, the Muslims have a right to punish the French,” Mahathir wrote, referring to a man who decapitated a French teacher earlier this month.

 

 

But of course, the same characters look to demonise all Muslims and are happy to quote of out context.

[polpott]

5 minutes ago, Eindhoven said:

 

Cannot say that I agree at all. Contrast the entry at Immigration with Thailand. The first time I ever went to Malaysia, a family invited me to dinner after a short chat whilst I was waiting for a train.

Countless other stories of genuine friendliness. I had heard so much about Thailand, but once I crossed the border from Malaysia to Thailand, that genuine friendliness disappeared. Not that the Thais weren't friendly, but it was certainly a notch or two down from my experience in Malaysia. Certainly quite a few experiences with angry Thais who were unable to sell anything, so abused you instead.

I too am British and didn't detect any such undercurrent at any time.

I could give you countless stories of their unfriendliness. Here's just one. I was sat opposite a young couple int he station in KL waiting for a train. They were very chatty and keen to practice their English. As soon as I told them I was British they turned away and completely blanked me.