Saudi king urges world to take 'decisive stance' against Saudi's regional foe Iran

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Saudi king urges world to take 'decisive stance' against Saudi's regional foe Iran

 

FILE PHOTO: Saudi Arabia's King Salman bin Abdulaziz attends a virtual cabinet meeting in Neom, Saudi Arabia August 18, 2020. Saudi Press Agency/Handout via REUTERS/File Photo

 

RIYADH (Reuters) - Saudi Arabia's King Salman bin Abdulaziz urged the world on Thursday to take "a decisive stance" to address efforts by Iran to develop nuclear and ballistic missile programs, in an annual address to the top government advisory body.

 

"The kingdom stresses the dangers of Iran's regional project, its interference in other countries, its fostering of terrorism, its fanning the flames of sectarianism ... in its efforts to possess weapons of mass destruction," the king told Shura Council members via videolink.

 

They were his first public remarks since he addressed the United Nations General Assembly in September via videolink, where he also took aim at Iran.

 

Sunni Muslim Saudi Arabia and Shi'ite Iran are locked in a decades-long struggle for influence across the region, supporting opposing sides in conflicts from Syria to Yemen.

 

Tensions have risen since U.S. President Donald Trump pulled the United States out of a landmark nuclear deal with world powers in 2018 and reimposed stringent economic sanctions on the Islamic Republic.

 

(Reporting by Marwa Rashad; writing by Raya Jalabi; editing by Chris Reese and Grant McCool)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2020-11-12

 

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[simple1]

You go first and denounce anti Western rhetoric within Wahhabism, remove Wahhabi extremist Imams in your country, stop funding Wahhabi extremist messaging and Imams in the West, revise your school texts, and so on; then we will consider your request.

[TopDeadSenter]

5 minutes after boy wonder "wins" his election, the ME starts to unwind. How predictable. But, seeing as the incredible peace achievements in the ME under 45 were generally regarded with negativity and not worthy of praise, I am sure more countries in the area cranking up tensions with Iran will more warmly welcomed. Just watch all moves Trump made for world peace getting unwound by a career politician. 

Edited November 12, 2020 by TopDeadSenter

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

5 minutes after boy wonder "wins" his election, the ME starts to unwind. How predictable. But, seeing as the incredible peace achievements in the ME under 45 were generally regarded with negativity and not worthy of praise, I am sure more countries in the area cranking up tensions with Iran will more warmly welcomed. Just watch all moves Trump made for world peace getting unwound by a career politician. 

Alternatively, Saudi Arabia are panicking at the loss of their fan-boy in the WH and would rather they had other nations fighting to protect Saudi Arabia from the consequences of its own policies and actions of spreading hate and funding Islamic extremism.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

11 minutes ago, simple1 said:

You go first and denounce anti Western rhetoric within Wahhabism, remove Wahhabi extremist Imams in your country, stop funding Wahhabi extremist messaging and Imams in the West, revise your school texts, and so on; then we will consider your request.

Spot on.

[Rookiescot]

Hey Saudi Arabia. How about you take some of those refugees from the war zones you have helped create?

[simple1]

Just now, TopDeadSenter said:

5 minutes after boy wonder "wins" his election, the ME starts to unwind. How predictable. But, seeing as the incredible peace achievements in the ME under 45 were generally regarded with negativity and not worthy of praise, I am sure more countries in the area cranking up tensions with Iran will more warmly welcomed. Just watch all moves Trump made for world peace being unwound by a career politician. 

 

Other than getting some Gulf countries and Sudan (with major financial incentive) to commit to commencing normalising relations with Israel what 'peace agreements' has trump achieved. Note diplomatic relations initiative will cease should Israel recommence occupying the West Bank, which so far Netanyahu has not guaranteed not to do so.

 

The Saudis have long requested / demanded support against Iran. On the other side of the coin, the greater threat to the West is the Saudi Royal family religion - Wahhabism - evoking conflict with Western democracies as well as provoking conflict with Shiites to try and gain regional power dominance.

[OneMoreFarang]

 

[simple1]

3 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Hey Saudi Arabia. How about you take some of those refugees from the war zones you have helped create?

 

KSA has done so, but outside of the UNHCR processes so rarely reported in Western media. If you're interested do some Google searches, will provide the necessary info.

[placeholder]

23 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

5 minutes after boy wonder "wins" his election, the ME starts to unwind. How predictable. But, seeing as the incredible peace achievements in the ME under 45 were generally regarded with negativity and not worthy of praise, I am sure more countries in the area cranking up tensions with Iran will more warmly welcomed. Just watch all moves Trump made for world peace getting unwound by a career politician. 

Because that megalomaniac MBS is now worried that his plans for regional dominance are being upset by Biden's victory. Are you aware that Trump supported his desire to be able to create nuclear fuel?

Edited November 12, 2020 by placeholder

[polpott]

17 minutes ago, simple1 said:

On the other side of the coin, the greater threat to the West is the Saudi Royal family religion - Wahhabism - evoking conflict with Western democracies

Also funded, organised and carried out 9/11. The main players live in Saudi to this day and are protected from US security services even interviewing them. Donald loves them.

 

As others have said its a simple case of Sunnis vs Shiites, with the Sunnis being the most proactive in trying to wipe their opponents off the face of the earth. The Wahhabis being the most vitriolic group within Sunniism and a sub division of Suffis.

[simple1]

2 minutes ago, polpott said:

Also funded, organised and carried out 9/11. The main players live in Saudi to this day and are protected from US security services even interviewing them. Donald loves them.

 

As others have said its a simple case of Sunnis vs Shiites, with the Sunnis being the most proactive in trying to wipe their opponents off the face of the earth. The Wahhabis being the most vitriolic group within Sunniism and a sub division of Suffis.

 

Yep, trump's OTT support for the Saudis does appear to be odd, perhaps driven by his support for Israel (the reality being feeding his evangelical extremist base?). These days Sufism and Wahhabism are diametrically opposed ideologically.

[TopDeadSenter]

12 minutes ago, polpott said:

Also funded, organised and carried out 9/11. The main players live in Saudi to this day and are protected from US security services even interviewing them. Donald loves them.

And your link proving that Donald loves the 9/11 terrorists? False and misleading statement anyone? 

[polpott]

1 minute ago, TopDeadSenter said:

And your link proving that Donald loves the 9/11 terrorists? False and misleading statement anyone? 

The terrorists are the Saudi rulers. 9/11 and Al Qaeda were funded from Saudi at a high level of government. Impossible without the knowledge/assent of Abdulaziz himself. The Donald made Saudi the first port of call after his election. Here he is sucking up to Abdulaziz weeks after his election and no doubt filling his boots with blood money.

 

                                               

[placeholder]

1 hour ago, simple1 said:

You go first and denounce anti Western rhetoric within Wahhabism, remove Wahhabi extremist Imams in your country, stop funding Wahhabi extremist messaging and Imams in the West, revise your school texts, and so on; then we will consider your request.

I think MBS is detestable and I have plenty of reasons for that. But to give him credit, he is dismantling the Wahabi extremists hold on power in SA.

[polpott]

2 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

Don't know if permitted by Mod:

 

al Qaeda were the enemy of the Saudi Royal family / government. Don't believe it has ever been proven the Royal Family / KSA government knowingly provided support for the 9/11 attack.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/documents/evidence-of-financial-links-between-saudi-royal-family-and-al-qaeda

 

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-qa-is-saudi-arabia-funding-isis

 

"This wasn’t the first time US officials had made this claim. In 2009, Wikileaks published diplomatic cables from the US State Department which spelt out the same concerns.

“Donors in Saudi Arabia constitute the most significant source of funding to Sunni terrorist groups worldwide,” the documents said. “While the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia (KSA) takes seriously the threat of terrorism within Saudi Arabia, it has been an ongoing challenge to persuade Saudi officials to treat terrorist financing emanating from Saudi Arabia as a strategic priority …"

 

The US president elect:

 

"Indeed, the former US vice president, Joe Biden, once spoke off-message by accusing Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states of pouring “hundreds of millions of dollars and tens of tons of weapons into anyone who would fight against Assad.”

 

 

[mr mr]

who cares what these scum bags have to say ? can we not put saudi on the ignore list ? 

[BobBKK]

2 minutes ago, mr mr said:

who cares what these scum bags have to say ? can we not put saudi on the ignore list ? 

 

The fact is Saudi Arabia is a despot state full of misogynist nutters who have OIL. Every POTUS has sucked up to them and to suggest Trump was any different is pathetic. Biden did the same and will do the SAME.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/09/us/politics/saudi-arabias-leaders-congratulate-biden-saying-they-want-to-deepen-relations-with-the-us.html

[simple1]

Just now, placeholder said:

I think MBS is detestable and I have plenty of reasons for that. But to give him credit, he is dismantling the Wahabi extremists hold on power in SA.

 

Yes, I understand, but is he approaching the issues with the correct strategic response? I've always been interested in Rand Corp's analysis...

 

Colin Clarke, an expert in security and terrorism at the RAND Corporation, told Al Bawaba:

 

“Inevitably, anytime fundamentalists are forced to the margins or underground, there are going to be some second and third order effects. By forcing groups to operate in the shadows, clandestinely, it inadvertently forces them to become more organized and disciplined, in order to survive. So in many cases, these groups are actually strengthened organizationally, and become more cohesive in the long run.”

 

https://www.albawaba.com/news/saudi-arabia-turning-against-wahhabism-1114788

[simple1]

9 minutes ago, polpott said:

"Indeed, the former US vice president, Joe Biden, once spoke off-message by accusing Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states of pouring “hundreds of millions of dollars and tens of tons of weapons into anyone who would fight against Assad.”

Weapons provided by the USA, did nothing to stop transhipment to Islamists prior to the rise of ISIS.

Edited November 12, 2020 by simple1

[BobBKK]

7 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

Yes, I understand, but is he approaching the issues with the correct strategic response? I've always been interested in Rand Corp's analysis...

 

Colin Clarke, an expert in security and terrorism at the RAND Corporation, told Al Bawaba:

 

“Inevitably, anytime fundamentalists are forced to the margins or underground, there are going to be some second and third order effects. By forcing groups to operate in the shadows, clandestinely, it inadvertently forces them to become more organized and disciplined, in order to survive. So in many cases, these groups are actually strengthened organizationally, and become more cohesive in the long run.”

 

https://www.albawaba.com/news/saudi-arabia-turning-against-wahhabism-1114788

 

So let them act in the open?  destroy them all would be a better strategy but what do we do?  let them into our countries, feed and clothe them and say 'there, there'.  Only last week one of those scum knifed  and killed some folk.  Even when they are caught they are not deported after their sentence - madness!  

[simple1]

12 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

 

So let them act in the open? <SNIP>

Not what the analysist was saying, requires a multidimensional response. 

[mtls2005]

Let's hope this isn't the "thing" Esper refused to do?

 

3 hours ago, webfact said:

urged the world on Thursday to take "a decisive stance" to address efforts by Iran to develop nuclear and ballistic missile programs

 

Seems like the trump retribution tour might include a strike on Iran?

 

Probably why trump is denying the PDB to President-elect Joe Biden.

 

Former Defense Secretary Mark Esper said in an interview published Monday that if his replacement is “a real yes man” then “God help us.” 

 

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/525158-esper-if-my-replacement-is-a-real-yes-man-then-god-help-us

 

 

Edited November 12, 2020 by mtls2005

[mr mr]

45 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

 

The fact is Saudi Arabia is a despot state full of misogynist nutters who have OIL. Every POTUS has sucked up to them and to suggest Trump was any different is pathetic. Biden did the same and will do the SAME.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/09/us/politics/saudi-arabias-leaders-congratulate-biden-saying-they-want-to-deepen-relations-with-the-us.html

i don't dispute that.

 

google search with (insert politician name here) and saudi turns up all kinds of differing results. lots of stories and sides and deals and moving and shaking. from both left and right. 

 

 

[spidermike007]

I and millions of others, urge the world to take a decisive stance against the Saudis, the world's major sponsor of terrorism. Wahhabism is one of the most toxic, hateful and extreme forms of Islam in the world. The Madrasas alone, that they support, create thousands of terrorists to this day. It is no coincidence that so much of the cash filling terrorists' coffers come from the oil monarchies in the Persian Gulf. It is also no coincidence that those countries holding the world's largest oil reserves and those generating most of their income from oil exports, are also those with the strongest support for radical Islam. In fact, oil and terrorism are entangled. If not for the West's oil money, most Gulf states would not have had the wealth that allowed them to invest so much in arms procurement and sponsor terrorists organizations.  

 

In July 2005 undersecretary of the Treasury Stuart Levey testifying in the Senate noted “Wealthy Saudi financiers and charities have funded terrorist organizations and causes that support terrorism and the ideology that fuels the terrorists' agenda. Even today, we believe that Saudi donors may still be a significant source of terrorist financing, including for the insurgency in Iraq." 

 

http://www.iags.org/fuelingterror.html

Edited November 12, 2020 by spidermike007

[Mavideol]

before you get any help from anybody you need to come clean with Khashoggi's massacre, provide the body and hand over your son as well, he was the master mind behind all of that, then we may talk about Iran.... Trump can't protect you anymore

Edited November 12, 2020 by Mavideol

[saminoz]

12 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

5 minutes after boy wonder "wins" his election, the ME starts to unwind. How predictable. But, seeing as the incredible peace achievements in the ME under 45 were generally regarded with negativity and not worthy of praise, I am sure more countries in the area cranking up tensions with Iran will more warmly welcomed. Just watch all moves Trump made for world peace getting unwound by a career politician. 

Given that the stupid, impeached, (sore) loser blob is placing hardcore loyalists in senior positions in the Pentagon, might it be the precursor to a strike against Iran's nuclear sites, given Biden's intentions to re-address the Iran nuclear deal?

Edited November 12, 2020 by Scott

[Pedrogaz]

High time for regime change in Saudi. Get rid of the House of Sand and install and Iran friendly, non-warmongering government. Add sanctions and boycott to Israel and hey bingo, instant peace in there Middle East.

[Scott]

Off-topic, troll posts and replies removed.   Keep it civil and on topic. 

 

[malibukid]

this murderous B#$%%%^^ has the temerity to point fingers.  hope Biden rejoins the nuclear deal with Iran.