Scotland's Sturgeon puts UK on independence warning: We want a referendum soon

[Rookiescot]

Just now, fangless said:

Scotland want to be independent - from what?  They want to keep the pound, the Queen and stay in the EU.  

How is that independence?

 

Pound is a fiat currency. Anyone can use it.

Queen Elizabeth the FIRST of Scotland is our monarch not just yours.

It will be up to an independent Scotland and the EU as to whether we rejoin.

[jvs]

5 minutes ago, fangless said:

Good riddance to the three of them and see how they survive on their own.

They will join the EU and do well.

[Rookiescot]

6 minutes ago, fangless said:

I suggest the English hold a Referendum if they want rid of NI, Wales and Scotland and see the massive YES vote that would result.  All three are a huge financial and political drain on England.

Good riddance to the three of them and see how they survive on their own.

 

More bluff and bluster from the English nationalist.

Without Scotlands resources and money you guys south of the border are stuffed 

[vogie]

11 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

useful lass this queen is,

"we all" share her , not sure who you refer to by "we all"

she is shared quite widely, not only by pommies, she pops up on paper satang many places in the world

 

monarch my here and monarch my there, even net door to WhiteHouse and Trump

 

if all should go down the drain with Brexit maybe there is a biz opportunity in renting her out as queen/monarch/head of state

rapid action required though - next in line issue might not command the same expenditure by those in want

 

My ThaiVisa is going ultra slow and taking ages to load, anyway I'll try to answer.

 

"We all" refers to England, Scotland, Wales and N Ireland and as such it makes us an island nation, and as much as the Scottish Nationalists want to partition our island nation, it will not happen, they do not have a mandate to do so.

 

 

[from the home of CC]

it's both sad and understandable..

[Mavideol]

3 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

More bluff and bluster from the English nationalist.

Without Scotlands resources and money you guys south of the border are stuffed 

not to mention their territorial fishing waters will be downsized by a lot    555

[IgboChief]

5 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

Pound is a fiat currency. Anyone can use it.

Queen Elizabeth the FIRST of Scotland is our monarch not just yours.

It will be up to an independent Scotland and the EU as to whether we rejoin.

 

Yes, and a very under performing one as I couldn't help to notice.

So why would anyone like to use it?

 

(Bonds and FX markets have a very long track record of 'knowing more', consider them as 'smart money').

[Rookiescot]

2 minutes ago, vogie said:

My ThaiVisa is going ultra slow and taking ages to load, anyway I'll try to answer.

 

"We all" refers to England, Scotland, Wales and N Ireland and as such it makes us an island nation, and as much as the Scottish Nationalists want to partition our island nation, it will not happen, they do not have a mandate to do so.

 

 

We do not have a mandate yet.

Read my comments about the court case and the projected results of the next Hollyrood elections.

You might learn something.

[Rookiescot]

1 minute ago, IgboChief said:

 

Yes, and a very under performing one as I couldn't help to notice.

So why would anyone like to use it?

 

(Bonds and FX markets have a very long track record of 'knowing more', consider them as 'smart money').

Thats a fair comment.

Westminster would probably be begging Scotland to keep using the pound otherwise circa 10% of its value would disappear overnight.

[IgboChief]

1 minute ago, Rookiescot said:

Thats a fair comment.

Westminster would probably be begging Scotland to keep using the pound otherwise circa 10% of its value would disappear overnight.

 

It would be in the UK's best interest (e.g. USA's GDP has a relative advantage of 1-2% from the dollar hegemony), but not in Scottish interest at all. They would need their own currency first and allow a true price finding for a couple of years before joining the EU (or we would risk to repeat a 'Greece' alike story).

 

However you turn it, UK is fokked. I do not ever discuss the political view anymore, just watch what the FX markets made out of that fiasco.

[melvinmelvin]

11 minutes ago, vogie said:

My ThaiVisa is going ultra slow and taking ages to load, anyway I'll try to answer.

 

"We all" refers to England, Scotland, Wales and N Ireland and as such it makes us an island nation, and as much as the Scottish Nationalists want to partition our island nation, it will not happen, they do not have a mandate to do so.

 

 

 

hmm,

its Friday and it is not only your TVF that responds sluggishly, appears that parts of you are sluggish too,

whatever aspirations of jocks and their northern islands

 

my splutterings were intended to be taken in as smth joke like

to avoid my failure bogging me down I'll momentarily switch from TVF to Belhaven . ..

 

[Rookiescot]

2 minutes ago, IgboChief said:

 

It would be in the UK's best interest (e.g. USA's GDP has a relative advantage of 1-2% from the dollar hegemony), but not in Scottish interest at all. They would need their own currency first and allow a true price finding for a couple of years before joining the EU (or we would risk to repeat a 'Greece' alike story).

 

However you turn it, UK is fokked. I do not ever discuss the political view anymore, just watch what the FX markets made out of that fiasco.

 

I agree that Scotland should get its own currency but I fear it will be overpriced. 

Initially, because Scotland and whats left of the UK are so economically aligned it would make sense to carry on using the pound.

But I can see our economic policies will need to diverge in a surprisingly short space of time.

[fangless]

20 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

not to mention their territorial fishing waters will be downsized by a lot    555

But under sturgeon the fishing rights would belong to the EU!

[Rookiescot]

Just now, fangless said:

But under sturgeon the fishing rights would belong to the EU!

 

So what?

We dont have the same nationalistic fervor about fish that you Brexiteers do.

[Mavideol]

2 minutes ago, fangless said:

But under sturgeon the fishing rights would belong to the EU!

which would become a big advantage versus the current inconvenience of having the UK holding it as bargain tool

[fangless]

26 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Without Scotlands resources and money

Please provide some FACTS to back up that ridiculous statement please.

Scotland is financially broke and not viable as an independent country under the communist SNP's so called "government". 

It is looking more like a single police state now. that Scotland has only one national Police force, not regional ones as they had until a few years ago.

[Rookiescot]

4 minutes ago, fangless said:

Please provide some FACTS to back up that ridiculous statement please.

Scotland is financially broke and not viable as an independent country under the communist SNP's so called "government". 

It is looking more like a single police state now. that Scotland has only one national Police force, not regional ones as they had until a few years ago.

 

What do you think backs the pound? A lot of it is the financial services in London (currently moving themselves to the EU in huge numbers) and also in large by the oil contained in Scottish territorial waters. Factor in the massive amount of revenue from the export of Scotch whisky and you guys are looking seriously underweight.

What are you going to use to offset that?

Exports of cheese and pork pies?

[Chomper Higgot]

Oddly Brexiteers are at the forefront of arguments against the Scottish becoming an independent nation.

 

 

[Rookiescot]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Oddly Brexiteers are at the forefront of arguments against the Scottish becoming an independent nation.

 

 

 

Think its something to do with gammon. ????

[2530Ubon]

This paper is well worth a read, ignore all the nationalist comments and biased views on BOTH sides.

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld201213/ldselect/ldeconaf/152/15204.htm

 

It appears to be a fair report which shows that both countries would ultimately suffer.

Not an ideal time now that COVID is ravaging both our great nations.

 

Many forum members have already rightly commented that the deal was one referendum in a lifetime. 6 years is hardly a lifetime. The other argument is that things have substantially changed now that we have left the EU. That remains to be seen. We may have left the EU, but we don't know yet how much will change.

 

I would implore both sides to read the facts and forget nationalistic poetry often spewed out from uninformed mouthpieces.

 

If Scotland truly wishes to be an independent nation, then it should abide by it's international agreements. They agreed to a once in a lifetime vote - let the next generation make the choice as this one has already had it's say.

[Rookiescot]

1 minute ago, 2530Ubon said:

This paper is well worth a read, ignore all the nationalist comments and biased views on BOTH sides.

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld201213/ldselect/ldeconaf/152/15204.htm

 

It appears to be a fair report which shows that both countries would ultimately suffer.

Not an ideal time now that COVID is ravaging both our great nations.

 

Many forum members have already rightly commented that the deal was one referendum in a lifetime. 6 years is hardly a lifetime. The other argument is that things have substantially changed now that we have left the EU. That remains to be seen. We may have left the EU, but we don't know yet how much will change.

 

I would implore both sides to read the facts and forget nationalistic poetry often spewed out from uninformed mouthpieces.

 

If Scotland truly wishes to be an independent nation, then it should abide by it's international agreements. They agreed to a once in a lifetime vote - let the next generation make the choice as this one has already had it's say.

 

Who agreed to a once in a lifetime vote?

Show me where it says so in any legal document or indeed in the last section 30 agreement. 

 

[RuamRudy]

3 hours ago, vogie said:

Anything to divert attention from the mess she is making with the Scottish economy, education and covid. Only the UK can split the UK up, not a one horse party.

 

The UK is a political concept, not a country. Or are you suggesting that, as with Brexit, the future of the UK is solely for the English to decide?

[RuamRudy]

3 hours ago, NanLaew said:

Time for Johnson and Starmer to get behind their respective north of the border franchises and stop this infernal woman sucking the air out of the room.

 

And should that disenfranchisement extend to the majority of voters in Scotland? Why should democracy be binned simply because you don't like it?

[RichardColeman]

Nothing like a once in a generation vote that happens more than one in a generation.

 

 

[kingdong]

As a strong believer in freedom and democracy ( which is why i voted brexit ) can only hope you get your referendum asap.

[fangless]

8 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

oil

What oil?  ????

 And where are your figures that show when Scotland last made a NET contribution to the UK economy?

Look it up!

[RuamRudy]

2 hours ago, ukrules said:

They may get another referendum as soon as 2050 or perhaps 2060, once in a lifetime is the phrase used so even that would be early.

 

This is merely a distraction, don't fall for it. She's doing a terrible job and attempting to divert attention.

 

If the SNP is doing a terrible job, why have they been in power for 10 years and are currently on course to take an overall majority next year in a parliament designed to prevent majorities being formed?

 

Do not believe all the lies being told to you - their performance vastly outshines those corrupt and incompetent Trumpian clowns in Westminster. Or are 54% of Scots, in your opinion, less informed than you? 

[Rookiescot]

1 minute ago, RichardColeman said:

Nothing like a once in a generation vote that happens more than one in a generation.

 

 

 

I will let you get up to speed by reading the previous posts on this thread. 

[kingdong]

4 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

Who agreed to a once in a lifetime vote?

Show me where it says so in any legal document or indeed in the last section 30 agreement. 

 

Right on,power to the people

[fangless]

5 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

Who agreed to a once in a lifetime vote?

Show me where it says so in any legal document or indeed in the last section 30 agreement. 

 

Alec Salmond stated it when he demanded!