Brexit talks still stuck because EU is asking too much, UK says

[vogie]

6 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  Dont you have  separate rules for non members ?

Rules that are negotiable ?

The rules are quite simple really especially subscriptions, some members have to pay heavily to be part of this democratic club, some get in for free, and wait for it, some actually get paid for being in this club.

[CorpusChristie]

4 minutes ago, david555 said:

They gave them already 4 years .....but your U.K. dont like them ...

so   up to you  U.K. same as your U.K decide whit what is their sovereignty ????

 

  Are you aware of the negotiations , aware of what they are discussing ?

Do you know what they disagree on ?

[IvorBiggun2]

36 minutes ago, polpott said:

Every member of the EU has a veto

But......

 

Quote

At least 4 countries (representing at least 35% of the total population of the EU) are needed to block a decision.

 

[david555]

1 minute ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  Are you aware of the negotiations , aware of what they are discussing ?

Do you know what they disagree on ?

Diverting a simple fact ...?

A want something from B...so B want something from A ...but they dont agree with eachoter .....so it does not work ..no deal , no exchange 

End line 

[CorpusChristie]

1 minute ago, david555 said:

Diverting a simple fact ...?

A want something from B...so B want something from A ...but they dont agree with eachoter .....so it does not work ..no deal , no exchange 

End line 

 

  Yes, but do you know where the disagreement lays ?

I have no idea what they are discussing , so I cannot comment on which side is being unreasonable .

As you always point the finger at the UK and suggest the UK are being the unreasonable ones, I assume you are closely following the discussions and thus can come to that conclusion ?

[transam]

2 minutes ago, david555 said:

Diverting a simple fact ...?

A want something from B...so B want something from A ...but they dont agree with eachoter .....so it does not work ..no deal , no exchange 

End line 

Weeeeeell, it seems you haven't a clue what negotiation means.....

[david555]

[david555]

Just now, transam said:

Weeeeeell, it seems you haven't a clue what negotiation means.....

Your English way negotiation you mean ....worked good to keep the Scots and Welsh  down ....worked not so good with the Irish ...????

 

 

[transam]

Just now, david555 said:

Your English way negotiation you mean ....worked good to keep the Scots and Welsh  down ....worked not so good with the Irish ...????

 

 

Helped your country out though, didn't it....?  

 

PS. The UK is negotiating, not the English, you are talking English, which probably hurts.....????

[david555]

3 minutes ago, transam said:

Helped your country out though, didn't it....?  

 

PS. The UK is negotiating, not the English, you are talking English, which probably hurts.....????

Please follow the great leader he promised you a bright future anyway from 1 Januari if no deal ...so what the hell he is going to Brussels  for ...?

Oh  the nice diner maybe ....????

 

Just have patience 1 Januari is close for Singapore on Thames ....

 

 

[CorpusChristie]

33 minutes ago, david555 said:

Exactly.you are not a member ....but still the club makes the rules for all who wish to use the club .....

 

Before you were in with 1 foot in 1 out ..had privileges as no Euro accepting as currancy and big rebate ....it was not enough ...and left .

And now it seems you are out with BOTH foot and like to be same as IN  the club...

 

Same as your water your rules .....

So single market OUR  market ...OUR RULES .....difficult to understand ..??

 

   You keep going on about the UK's rebate from the E.U. , like it was unfair .

Yes, the UK got a 5 Billion rebate and France didnt get a rebate.

But the UK gave the E.U 20 Billion per year , whilst France gave the E.U 10 Billion per year .

Even with our rebate  , we still gave the E.U 5 Billion a year more than you did .

[david555]

1 minute ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

   You keep going on about the UK's rebate from the E.U. , like it was unfair .

Yes, the UK got a 5 Billion rebate and France didnt get a rebate.

But the UK gave the E.U 20 Billion per year , whilst France gave the E.U 10 Billion per year .

Even with our rebate  , we still gave the E.U 5 Billion a year more than you did .

Here comes the figures again ....

Guys you are out ...end line ...game over ....or how many expressions you need more ....

Your free decision ...no gun to your heads involved ...out means out ( dixit T.May..) leave means leave .etc.

__________________________________ .!

[transam]

4 minutes ago, david555 said:

Please follow the great leader he promised you a bright future anyway from 1 Januari if no deal ...so what the hell he is going to Brussels  for ...?

Oh  the nice diner maybe ....????

 

Just have patience 1 Januari is close for Singapore on Thames ....

 

 

Are you hovering up there in a cloud able to see the future....?

You talk as if you are, or is that tool you lot seem to rely on.....

 

[BangkokReady]

On 12/1/2020 at 6:23 PM, welovesundaysatspace said:

This starts to feel like that Bill Murray movie.

Quick change?

[david555]

Worth a reading .... but can only copy paste 3 first parts.... (mod's rules ????..)

 

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/12/08/europe-brought-six-tory-pms-can-boris-avoid-seventh/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr

Europe brought down six Tory PMs. Can Boris avoid being the seventh?
The next few days will determine whether the Prime Minister can finally break the curse of the EU

 

PHILIP JOHNSTON
8 December 2020 • 9:30pm

was looking through some old newspaper clippings at the weekend (yes, I still keep them, even in these digital times). They were from the Daily Telegraph edition of November 23 1990, the day after Mrs Thatcher was toppled from power. At the time, I was this newspaper’s political correspondent and they had been retained both as a souvenir of this epochal moment and because I had written a few of the articles.

 

As I was filing them away, my eye was drawn to an analysis penned by our then Brussels correspondent, one Boris Johnson. Under the headline “A war of attrition in Europe”, he recounted how the UK’s membership of the EEC had shaped Mrs Thatcher’s premiership and contributed to her downfall. “The issue of Britain’s place in Europe has caused a procession of valued ministers to resign and finally it has cost Mrs Thatcher her job,” he wrote.

 

Thirty years on, might it eventually cost Mr Johnson his, too, or will he become the first Conservative leader for half a century to remove the European albatross from around his neck? Clearly this is partly a function of what happens over the next few days of brinkmanship familiar to anyone who has followed, participated in or reported on European matters in the 47 years since we joined. Phrases like “down to the wire”, “on a cliff edge”, “the clock is ticking”, “summit showdown” and the rest are integral parts of the EU’s diplomatic lexicon, certainly where its dealings with the UK are concerned.

 

more...

 

 

[transam]

7 minutes ago, david555 said:

Worth a reading .... but can only copy paste 3 first parts.... (mod's rules ????..)

 

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/12/08/europe-brought-six-tory-pms-can-boris-avoid-seventh/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr

Europe brought down six Tory PMs. Can Boris avoid being the seventh?
The next few days will determine whether the Prime Minister can finally break the curse of the EU

 

PHILIP JOHNSTON
8 December 2020 • 9:30pm

was looking through some old newspaper clippings at the weekend (yes, I still keep them, even in these digital times). They were from the Daily Telegraph edition of November 23 1990, the day after Mrs Thatcher was toppled from power. At the time, I was this newspaper’s political correspondent and they had been retained both as a souvenir of this epochal moment and because I had written a few of the articles.

 

As I was filing them away, my eye was drawn to an analysis penned by our then Brussels correspondent, one Boris Johnson. Under the headline “A war of attrition in Europe”, he recounted how the UK’s membership of the EEC had shaped Mrs Thatcher’s premiership and contributed to her downfall. “The issue of Britain’s place in Europe has caused a procession of valued ministers to resign and finally it has cost Mrs Thatcher her job,” he wrote.

 

Thirty years on, might it eventually cost Mr Johnson his, too, or will he become the first Conservative leader for half a century to remove the European albatross from around his neck? Clearly this is partly a function of what happens over the next few days of brinkmanship familiar to anyone who has followed, participated in or reported on European matters in the 47 years since we joined. Phrases like “down to the wire”, “on a cliff edge”, “the clock is ticking”, “summit showdown” and the rest are integral parts of the EU’s diplomatic lexicon, certainly where its dealings with the UK are concerned.

 

more...

 

 

Off topic, has the bottom fell out of your barrel.....?

[Loiner]

44 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  Yes, but do you know where the disagreement lays ?

I have no idea what they are discussing , so I cannot comment on which side is being unreasonable .

As you always point the finger at the UK and suggest the UK are being the unreasonable ones, I assume you are closely following the discussions and thus can come to that conclusion ?

These Euro posters rely on the EU and UK Remainer press for most of their fatuous comments. Spin and flim flam is what they rely on to accuse the UK of being 'unreasonable'. They still fervently believe that, as part of the Leaving process, the UK must sign up to EU demands to effectively remain under the EU jack boot. Is it unreasonable for Boris to not succumb to that? Of course not.

 

Nobody in MSM (and especially on TVF) has any real idea of exactly what is being discussed in the negotiations. Those involved are being very selective about the tidbits of progress information they release. There's plenty of reference to the three main contentious issues, which cannot possibly be the only ones they all sit there for hours on end saying "Yes" or "Non" to. There are undoubtedly more issues under negotiation than that, which are not being publicly divulged.

[BangkokReady]

15 minutes ago, david555 said:

Europe brought down six Tory PMs. Can Boris avoid being the seventh?

Doubtful.  He's completely shameless and dishonorable.  Like when Anthea Turner was the celebrity drawing a raffle and pulled out her own ticket but kept the prize.

 

He might have his reputation trashed (further), but I don't believe anything will make him voluntarily step down.

[transam]

1 minute ago, Loiner said:

These Euro posters rely on the EU and UK Remainer press for most of their fatuous comments. Spin and flim flam is what they rely on to accuse the UK of being 'unreasonable'. They still fervently believe that, as part of the Leaving process, the UK must sign up to EU demands to effectively remain under the EU jack boot. Is it unreasonable for Boris to not succumb to that? Of course not.

 

Nobody in MSM (and especially on TVF) has any real idea of exactly what is being discussed in the negotiations. Those involved are being very selective about the tidbits of progress information they release. There's plenty of reference to the three main contentious issues, which cannot possibly be the only ones they all sit there for hours on end saying "Yes" or "Non" to. There are undoubtedly more issues under negotiation than that, which are not being publicly divulged.

Yep, and the EU and remainer folk posting here think they know it all, the reason why I have posted a few times, they are amusing.....????

[worgeordie]

The EU have to make it extremely tough for the UK, 

because they are afraid  if the UK does well out of it,

others may have second thoughts,i.e. Poland and

Hungry.

 

regards worgeordie

 

[RayC]

4 hours ago, luckyluke said:

 

Can not open it, but I can read the first item : " clean beach and rivers "

 

When I was in Belgium this was done by city staff.

 

I don't know for the rest.

 

Not so long ago, it was decided that every Belgian will at least receive a monthly pension of 1500 Euro.

 

Energy bill will be less for the common household starting next year.

 

These are 2 factors which will influence directly the daily life of the man in the street in Belgium.

 

These have been decided by the new Belgium government.

 

I would be very surprised if it is proven that these 2 decisions were taken under the influence of the E.U..

Apologies for the previous bad link. Hopefully this works.

[nauseus]

17 minutes ago, RayC said:

Apologies for the previous bad link. Hopefully this works.

 

What a load of cobblers.

[RayC]

2 hours ago, Loiner said:

These Euro posters rely on the EU and UK Remainer press for most of their fatuous comments. Spin and flim flam is what they rely on to accuse the UK of being 'unreasonable'. They still fervently believe that, as part of the Leaving process, the UK must sign up to EU demands to effectively remain under the EU jack boot. Is it unreasonable for Boris to not succumb to that? Of course not.

Usual vacuous nonsense

2 hours ago, Loiner said:

 

Nobody in MSM (and especially on TVF) has any real idea of exactly what is being discussed in the negotiations.

I also doubt that anyone on TVF has inside information, but the idea that no reporters in the UK/ European MSM have sources close to the negotiations seems very unlikely to me.

2 hours ago, Loiner said:

 There's plenty of reference to the three main contentious issues, which cannot possibly be the only ones they all sit there for hours on end saying "Yes" or "Non" to. There are undoubtedly more issues under negotiation than that, which are not being publicly divulged.

Very doubtful. MSM suggests deal is 95% done. https://www.euronews.com/2020/11/20/brexit-deal-text-95-done-but-deadlock-on-key-issues-could-still-scupper-talks

 

Seems likely to me. EU Heads of State must know what is the current state of play, and be confident that they will be able to get what Barnier and Frost have agreed to date, through their respective parliaments. They can then only hope that any agreement on the three outstanding issues won't be too contentious for them. 

[IvorBiggun2]

5 minutes ago, nauseus said:

What a load of cobblers.

But it's from 'The Guardian' so it must be true.      

[RayC]

7 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

What a load of cobblers.

The argument in favour of Brexit continues to evolve, and becomes more sophisticated by the day.

[RayC]

3 minutes ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

But it's from 'The Guardian' so it must be true.      

Perhaps you could post the link from 'The Express' making the counter argument? On second thoughts, please don't bother.

[nauseus]

1 minute ago, RayC said:

The argument in favour of Brexit continues to evolve, and becomes more sophisticated by the day.

 

Certainly more sophisticated than your poster.  

[david555]

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Any one has doubts what the answer go be from Ursula VDL......? ????

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1370394/Brexit-news-Boris-Johnson-no-deal-walk-away-von-der-leyen-dinner-meeting-latest-update

Boris ready to quit trade talks tonight unless Ursula von der Leyen caves on EU red lines
BORIS JOHNSON will tell Ursula von der Leyen he is ready to quit Brexit trade negotiations tonight unless she gives way on the EU's red lines.

By DAN FALVEY, POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT
PUBLISHED: 13:58, Wed, Dec 9, 2020 | UPDATED: 14:12, Wed, Dec 9, 2020

Alegra Stratton, the Prime minister's press secretary, said Mr Johnson would lay out clearly that the UK was not prepared to cave to the EU. She said the dinner would give the Prime Minister the chance to assess how Ms von der Leyen reacts before deciding whether to instruct David Frost to restart negotiations with Michel Barnier.

 

Speaking this afternoon Ms Stratton said: "The Prime Minister is going to be clear this evening that he can't accept anything that undermines our ability to control out laws or to control our waters. "He's going to put that clearly to Ursula von der Leyen and see what her response is." She added there would be no negotiations tonight and this evening was "a conversation between two political leaders trying to assess where negotiations stand".

 

Mr Johnson will fly to Brussels this afternoon ahead of his dinner with Ms von der Leyen.

The leaders will meet at 7pm tonight for a meal at the European Commission's headquarters. They will be joined at the dinner by Mr Frost, Michel Barnier and a handful of others. Mr Johnson is due to fly back to London tonight and will not stay in the Belgium capital tomorrow even if Britain and the EU agree to continue negotiations.

 

 

 

More to follow...

Edited December 9, 2020 by david555

[luckyluke]

"Je suis venu te dire que je m'en vais" 

( I came to tell you that I am leaving) 

Song from Serge Gainsbourg. 

[CorpusChristie]

3 hours ago, david555 said:

????????????????????????????????

 

Any one has doubts what the answer go be from Ursula VDL......? ????

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1370394/Brexit-news-Boris-Johnson-no-deal-walk-away-von-der-leyen-dinner-meeting-latest-update

Boris ready to quit trade talks tonight unless Ursula von der Leyen caves on EU red lines
BORIS JOHNSON will tell Ursula von der Leyen he is ready to quit Brexit trade negotiations tonight unless she gives way on the EU's red lines.

By DAN FALVEY, POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT
PUBLISHED: 13:58, Wed, Dec 9, 2020 | UPDATED: 14:12, Wed, Dec 9, 2020

Alegra Stratton, the Prime minister's press secretary, said Mr Johnson would lay out clearly that the UK was not prepared to cave to the EU. She said the dinner would give the Prime Minister the chance to assess how Ms von der Leyen reacts before deciding whether to instruct David Frost to restart negotiations with Michel Barnier.

 

Speaking this afternoon Ms Stratton said: "The Prime Minister is going to be clear this evening that he can't accept anything that undermines our ability to control out laws or to control our waters. "He's going to put that clearly to Ursula von der Leyen and see what her response is." She added there would be no negotiations tonight and this evening was "a conversation between two political leaders trying to assess where negotiations stand".

 

Mr Johnson will fly to Brussels this afternoon ahead of his dinner with Ms von der Leyen.

The leaders will meet at 7pm tonight for a meal at the European Commission's headquarters. They will be joined at the dinner by Mr Frost, Michel Barnier and a handful of others. Mr Johnson is due to fly back to London tonight and will not stay in the Belgium capital tomorrow even if Britain and the EU agree to continue negotiations.

 

 

 

More to follow...

 

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