UK, EU leaders to meet face-to-face to try to seal Brexit trade deal

[transam]

1 minute ago, Susco said:

 

Yep many more countries outside the EU, and the UK has a trade deal with them.

 

Here are the big names ???? . I'm sure they soon will add Zimbabwe, Nigeria and Biafra as well.

 

• Andean countries
• CARIFORUM trade bloc
• Central America
• Chile
• Eastern and Southern Africa (ESA) trade bloc 
• Faroe Islands
• Georgia
• Iceland and Norway
• Israel
• Jordan
• Kosovo
• Lebanon
• Liechtenstein
• Morocco
• Pacific states
• Palestinian Authority
• Southern Africa Customs Union and Mozambique (SACUM) trade bloc
• South Korea
• Switzerland
• Tunisia

Your point being, eeeeeeer, absolutely nothing ...

[Susco]

1 minute ago, transam said:

Your point being, eeeeeeer, absolutely nothing ...

 

You don't want to claim that my posts equal yours, do you

[transam]

2 minutes ago, 2530Ubon said:

 

I can answer that quite easily. NO. The election was not about the EU and Brexit. Brexit was already completed.

Gawd, that took you a long time to come up a nonsense reply, but kudos, I can see you are trying your best.....????

[2530Ubon]

Just now, transam said:

Gawd, that took you a long time to come up a nonsense reply, but kudos, I can see you are trying your best.....????

I went shopping!

[transam]

1 minute ago, Susco said:

 

You don't want to claim that my posts equal yours, do you

Why would I, what a strange question..????

[Stupooey]

11 minutes ago, 2530Ubon said:

 

I can answer that quite easily. NO. The election was not about the EU and Brexit. Brexit was already completed.

Not quite true, and this was another irony in a saga full of ironies. It was found that the majority of traditionally Labour voting Leave supporters switched their vote to the Tories, whereas the majority of habitual Tory voting Remain supporters continued to vote Conservative. The upshot of this is that Remainers, who wanted another referendum, treated it as a multi-issue General Election, whilst Leavers, who favoured an election, treated it as a single-issue referendum! From this it is easy to see how the Tories managed to increase their majority, but it was in no way an endorsement of Boris' exit strategy.

[GrandPapillon]

The Brexit deal is not going to happen, BoJo and friends are dying to try the WTO framework so they can the upper hand in further negociations

 

of course since nobody in BoJo cabinet knows what's inside the current EU deal, they have no clue what they are losing

 

Like Theresa May when she went to the early negotiations unprepared and without a clue what her hand was, basically playing Poker with professional players blindfolded

 

The Brits are a waste of time, good riddance from everyone in the EU ????

[Kwasaki]

32 minutes ago, transam said:

That reminded me of the Harry Enfield sketch.....

please excuse the punn about Dykes. ????

[Bruntoid]

1 hour ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Another arrogant jibe with 'Brexit Joke.' That democratic referendum which was won by the leave campaign has been debated on here by myself and a good few others since 2015. Some have changed their names for whatever reason to conceal their identities.

 

The said poster has only recently come on these threads with his expert opinions. Having an opinion is one thing but telling others they are wrong, they have made a tragic mistakes,  and they will suffer is another.  It is arrogant, misguided and speculation.

 

You would think that it is affecting him personally or any other non Brit.

 

As usual Non Brits on here keep going on about the UK leaving the EU. Well I don't care and many others don't. What is a joke is the EU masquerading as a democratic entity, when it is not. I am sure like others you will say the EU has its problems. That's the usual but nothing gets done.

 

Some countries don't get to have a democratic referendum and see it through. They have to have another one until the right vote gets done.

 

So when people start belittling a democracy like Brexit is, then it shows the character of a person they are and frankly I find it rude and offensive. Disagree with it that's fine. Calling a democratic vote a name shows the level of intellect a person has.

God that’s precious garbage !! 

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, Mavideol said:

Truth hurts doesn't it

 

What do you mean?

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, luckyluke said:

Do you mean Lord Frost ?

Or is this another " hilarious" joke?

 

You got it.

[Kwasaki]

12 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

The Brexit deal is not going to happen, BoJo and friends are dying to try the WTO framework so they can the upper hand in further negociations

 

of course since nobody in BoJo cabinet knows what's inside the current EU deal, they have no clue what they are losing

 

Like Theresa May when she went to the early negotiations unprepared and without a clue what her hand was, basically playing Poker with professional players blindfolded

 

The Brits are a waste of time, good riddance from everyone in the EU ????

Pray tell why you bothered to read and write English. ????

[GrandPapillon]

1 minute ago, Kwasaki said:

Pray tell why you bothered to read and write English. ????

 

Great culture, awesome music, terrible business partners ????

[soalbundy]

1 hour ago, transam said:

Arrogance, you've got some front, a Brit that eloped to Germany.....????

What's arrogant about that? I know which side my bread is buttered on and unlike pensioners on a British pension mine is a decent one that goes up each year no matter where I live.

[candide]

42 minutes ago, Susco said:

 

Yep many more countries outside the EU, and the UK has a trade deal with them.

 

Here are the big names ???? . I'm sure they soon will add Zimbabwe, Nigeria and Biafra as well.

 

• Andean countries
• CARIFORUM trade bloc
• Central America
• Chile
• Eastern and Southern Africa (ESA) trade bloc 
• Faroe Islands
• Georgia
• Iceland and Norway
• Israel
• Jordan
• Kosovo
• Lebanon
• Liechtenstein
• Morocco
• Pacific states
• Palestinian Authority
• Southern Africa Customs Union and Mozambique (SACUM) trade bloc
• South Korea
• Switzerland
• Tunisia

 

And a few more they are considering, but even may not suceed.

 

Country or bloc	Nature of agreement	Status of discussions	Percentage of total UK trade, 2018
Albania (Western Balkans)	Association agreement	Engagement ongoing	0.00%
Algeria	Association agreement	Engagement ongoing (agreement unlikely before exit day)	0.21%
Andorra	Customs union	Will not be signed for exit day	0.00%
San Marino	Customs union	Will not be signed for exit day	0.00%
Bosnia & Herzegovina (Western Balkans)	Association agreement	Engagement ongoing	0.01%
Cameroon (Central Africa)	Economic partnership agreement	Engagement ongoing	0.01%
Canada	Free trade agreement	Engagement ongoing	1.44%
Côte d’Ivoire	Economic partnership agreement	Engagement ongoing	0.03%
Egypt	Association agreement	Engagement ongoing	0.24%
Ghana (Western Africa)	Economic partnership agreement	Engagement ongoing	0.10%
Japan	Free trade agreement	Engagement ongoing (agreement will not be transitioned before exit day)	2.21%
Kenya (EAC)	Economic partnership agreement	Engagement ongoing	0.12%
Mexico	Free trade agreement	Engagement ongoing	0.35%
Moldova	Association agreement	Engagement ongoing	0.04%
Montenegro (Western Balkans)	Stabilisation and association agreement	Engagement ongoing	0.01%
North Macedonia (Western Balkans)	Association agreement	Engagement ongoing	0.11%
Serbia (Western Balkans)	Association agreement	Engagement ongoing	0.05%
Turkey	Customs union	Will not be signed for exit day	1.29%
Ukraine	Association agreement	Engagement ongoing	0.10%

On top of it, these agreements are continuity agreements of EU agreements, so no improvement re international trade.

[Kwasaki]

News is my buddy Boris is on his way to meet the EU lady who's president or somic and I hope he starts by saying I here to finalise the no deal sinario as no agreement can be made. ????

[sandyf]

22 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

The Brexit deal is not going to happen, BoJo and friends are dying to try the WTO framework so they can the upper hand in further negociations

Whether there is a deal or not, it will be back in time to the days before the single market. I used to export to Europe in those days and many businesses used to ask me what was involved, once they saw the red tape the head would shake.

Why should it be any different now, once faced with the red tape, many will downsize and concentrate on the domestic market.

Of course the rise in unemployment will be blamed on covid, the brexit "get out of jail free" card.

 

As London and Brussels continue attempts to thrash out a free-trade agreement with just weeks remaining, Mr Harra reiterated the extra red-tape will apply regardless of the outcome of the negotiations.

Due to the UK leaving the bloc’s customs union and single market, thousands of businesses trading with the EU after the transition period in January will be required to fill in customs declarations for the first time.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/hmrc-brexit-transition-business-paperwork-customs-b1767557.html?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=INDNEWS%2308122020&utm_term=IND_Headlines_Masterlist_CDP

[Kwasaki]

3 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Whether there is a deal or not, it will be back in time to the days before the single market. I used to export to Europe in those days and many businesses used to ask me what was involved, once they saw the red tape the head would shake.

Why should it be any different now, once faced with the red tape, many will downsize and concentrate on the domestic market.

Of course the rise in unemployment will be blamed on covid, the brexit "get out of jail free" card.

 

As London and Brussels continue attempts to thrash out a free-trade agreement with just weeks remaining, Mr Harra reiterated the extra red-tape will apply regardless of the outcome of the negotiations.

Due to the UK leaving the bloc’s customs union and single market, thousands of businesses trading with the EU after the transition period in January will be required to fill in customs declarations for the first time.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/hmrc-brexit-transition-business-paperwork-customs-b1767557.html?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=INDNEWS%2308122020&utm_term=IND_Headlines_Masterlist_CDP

I don't want UK to have a deal with people we have never got on with. 

A no deal is best and the WTO is the way forward. 

UK is better off without any ties at all to the EU mess. 

[Susco]

3 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

News is my buddy Boris is on his way to meet the EU lady who's president or somic and I hope he starts by saying I here to finalise the no deal sinario as no agreement can be made. ????

 

Your buddy has shouted from the rooftops ever since he came in charge of Brexit, that he would leave without a deal.

 

Even recently he repeated that again.

 

Wonder why he bothers to travel to Brussels, if he has no interest in a deal, and claims the UK will be better off without a deal.

 

Does he have too much time on his hands, and did he have to be in Belgium for other purposes, or is it that he is not sincere in his claims and just playing bluff poker?

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, Susco said:

 

Be patient, a 6.4 tumble didn't happen yet, just wait for it. It has tumbled already about 25% against the Euro since the UK started their mickey mouse show, and you ain't seen nothing yet

 

Well we were discussing the action just yesterday. But as you want to widen the goalposts by 5 years I will disagree again and say that the true number for GBP EUR is about a 9% drop since the referendum date.

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, transam said:

My ancestors were Normans.......????

 

Ah, such wisdom.

[Kwasaki]

2 minutes ago, Susco said:

 

Your buddy has shouted from the rooftops ever since he came in charge of Brexit, that he would leave without a deal.

 

Even recently he repeated that again.

 

Wonder why he bothers to travel to Brussels, if he has no interest in a deal, and claims the UK will be better off without a deal.

 

Does he have too much time on his hands, and did he have to be in Belgium for other purposes, or is it that he is not sincere in his claims and just playing bluff poker?

Boris is an English gentleman and as leader of the UK he has to be polite and go and tell the EU in person the position and stance the UK is taking. 

What part of that do you not understand, pause OK don't bother the answer is nothing. 

 

[Kwasaki]

35 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

 

Great culture, awesome music, terrible business partners ????

Many thanks for an honest straight reply. ????

[andyg75]

54 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

The Brexit deal is not going to happen, BoJo and friends are dying to try the WTO framework so they can the upper hand in further negociations

 

of course since nobody in BoJo cabinet knows what's inside the current EU deal, they have no clue what they are losing

 

Like Theresa May when she went to the early negotiations unprepared and without a clue what her hand was, basically playing Poker with professional players blindfolded

 

The Brits are a waste of time, good riddance from everyone in the EU ????

Why are you so jealous of us ,I can’t understand it

[luckyluke]

3 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Boris is an English gentleman and as leader of the UK he has to be polite and go and tell the EU in person the position and stance the UK is taking. 

 

Indeed, the U.K. came the day after Brexit results, knock at the door of the E.U., to get some deals.

The negotiations between both didn't work.

As a gentleman, Mr.Johnson now travel personally to Brussels to let them know a deal is really not possible.

 

Of course there is a possibility that Mr. Johnson has something different in his mind.

We will soon know.

[Laughing Gravy]

44 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

That's a lousy map, Gravy. But at least the EU is not visible. ????

It was but as many posters on here don't realise that there are many more countries outside of the EU, a crappy atlas might just work.????

[Kwasaki]

2 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

 

Indeed, the U.K. came the day after Brexit results, knock at the door of the E.U., to get some deals.

The negotiations between both didn't work.

As a gentleman, Mr.Johnson now travel personally to Brussels to let them know a deal is really not possible.

 

Of course there is a possibility that Mr. Johnson has something different in his mind.

We will soon know.

Of course we will know by Wednesday by all accounts,  I hope it's UK out at last no deal.  

[2530Ubon]

25 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Boris is an English gentleman and as leader of the UK he has to be polite and go and tell the EU in person the position and stance the UK is taking. 

What part of that do you not understand, pause OK don't bother the answer is nothing. 

 

Actually, Boris is an American. He was born and raised in New York, Upper East Side Manhattan. When has Boris EVER been polite?

[puipuitom]

7 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

I accept it. But the reason for Brexit is not primarily economic. Just that the remainers can't accept this.

No, just for getting 350 mln pounds per week free for the NHS.

And to be boss in your own country, without having to listen to anyone abroad. British Law Only.

So, 'bio" certified food products completely according British law, and not any influence of the EU like EU 2018/848, to be in force at 1 Jan 2021 (oh, coincidence) , valid for everyone, who wants to sell "Bio / Organic" inside the EU. Only slightly unpleasant collateral damage: not allowed anymore to be sold inside the EU as "Bio / Organic".

And so a LOT of rules and regulations..

Think of CE mark of the EU: for all toys, sports articles, electric appliances. Think of all certificates of the FSA, BRC. As valuable as waste paper. Means beef and pork: not allowed to bring inside the EU seen the risk of mouth and claw disease. Poultry and fish: need a special approval number of the EU, ask any Thai exporter. No British manufacturer even started the application for it. This aside of the WTO- import duties and agricultural levies for products from "Third countries". 

Outside of the EU RASFF, so every trader with "substandard food end feed" will look towards the Tiny Islands, as... before they get the warning... weeks have been passed already.

Last-but-not-least: the EU made agreements ( read: import duties) with many countries, that a product may be called "of EU origin", when at least 90% of all parts and components are of EU origin. Means... for British parts new alternatives MUST be found ex the 27 member states, and.. the all mighty UK.. has to finish new agreements first.

"Details, details, details", Boris the Liar Cummings would say.

[luckyluke]

1 minute ago, Kwasaki said:

I hope it's UK out at last no deal.  

In fact we don't know what the majority of the Leave voters want.

But as always and everywhere the voter will have to accept the decision made by the politicians.