Trump and 17 states back Texas bid to undo his election loss at Supreme Court

[KhunFred]

On 12/12/2020 at 12:04 PM, thaibeachlovers said:

Unfortunately the SCOTUS did not make a decision, so the situation returns to what it was before ie 70 million + Americans believe the election was stolen, IMO. The SCOTUS refused to address the case, which means no opinion was rendered. Not a good way to begin a presidential term, knowing nearly half the country thinks he didn't win.

This is not surprising. Trump does not seem to understand that the Judiciary is independent. He is still in corporate mode, where if you do someone a favor, it has to be returned, SCOTUS will rule against many things he is in favor of, because he has no idea what is appropriate or constitutional.

Edited December 13, 2020 by onthedarkside
name calling removed

[PatOngo]

On 12/12/2020 at 1:44 PM, placeholder said:

What do you suspect now?

I suspect poor old Donald is a 1 term loser and Joe Biden is POTUS 46, how does it feel!

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[PatOngo]

How satisfying is to see such a deserving LOSER! Happy, happy, happy!

[Meat Pie 47]

Good riddance Donald ????????

[placeholder]

5 hours ago, talahtnut said:

This week’s state of affairs proves that America is a madhouse, and the media, Time Magazine and their ridiculous  “Person of the Year” selection included, are funhouse mirrors used to further distort our already deranged sureality.

a world reminiscent of Columbus falling off the flat earth...the many slave-minded, are simply too weak to comprehend the idea of fighting for our freedom.

Even if that fight for freedom means undermining democracy.

[shdmn]

20 hours ago, cmarshall said:

He has taken in $250 million so far on peddling his baseless claims.  I think he knows what he is doing.

It doesn't take a genius to be a demagogue.  Reading books about Hitler and Mussolini will give you a roadmap.  One of his ex trophy wives said he kept a book of Hitlers speeches by his bed.  Probably one of the few books [Trump] has read.

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name calling removed

[Scott]

Trolling meme and reply removed.  It's a discussion forum. 

 

[mtraveler]

11 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

Yes indeed. There again, perhaps (just) it may be a sign that whatever their personal political views and loyalties the Justices have made a conscious decision to  administer justice without political bias. If so it would be the first glimmer of light after a very dark light!

I'm not so sure that it's a sign of administering justice without political bias.  I think it was just a bridge too far.  If there was something they could have hung their hats on, I'm sure they would have found some way to decide in Trump's favor.  

[placeholder]

54 minutes ago, mtraveler said:

I'm not so sure that it's a sign of administering justice without political bias.  I think it was just a bridge too far.  If there was something they could have hung their hats on, I'm sure they would have found some way to decide in Trump's favor.  

And in fact the conservatives electoral decisions almost always favor the Republicans, even if it means violating their principles of leaving legislative issues to legislatures even if it means allowing an injustice to continue. The most egregious cases was their striking down of the voting rights act. The conservative justices claimed that they had to strike it down because the political situation was such that the Congress would never alter it even though the justices believed that the situation that was responsible for its enactment no longer existed. It was on this basis that no appeals to the Supreme Court based on gerrymandering will be allowed unless it can be show that the changes were explicitly made on a racial basis. So discriminating on the basis of political allegiance is now legitimate even though it's clear in the south that it's just a way of getting around the 14th amendment.

[placnx]

On 12/11/2020 at 7:23 AM, earlinclaifornia said:

State convictions can not be allowed to be pardoned. Education is important 

Thankfully, you are right (unless Cuomo is replaced by Kushner)...

[J Town]

Just now, placnx said:

Thankfully, you are right (unless Cuomo is replaced by Kushner)...

Even if Cuomo is replaced by Kushner (tee hee) there is not enough time in the judicial system to disallow this charge. No, THIS one sticks to the legal wall.

[placnx]

On 12/11/2020 at 5:03 PM, RocketDog said:

Possible, but coalition parties seldom work well with fiercely independent people. Witness the Tea Party which was a flash in the pan. It's not clear that parliamentary democracies work well either at building and sustaining coalitions. Elections happen at random times in that case and seems chaotic to me. 

American elections take place on a fixed schedule unless there is an interim vacancy.

 

The Tea Party has co-opted the Republican Party, so they no longer need an independent existence. By going from the right at establishment Republicans and beating many in primary elections, the [new Republicans] have transformed, polarized, and gridlocked American politics.

 

This goes back to 1992 and Ross Perot who made George HW Bush a one-termer. It was also the beginning of the populism now represented by Trump and the [new Republicans]. In Florida during the Clinton years there were mini-putches in Republican county caucuses where Evangelicals took over the state Party from the grass roots.

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[placnx]

On 12/11/2020 at 5:12 PM, heybruce said:

There has been little trouble counting votes once the ballots were properly processed.  The counting of rank choice voting wouldn't be an issue.

 

Explaining to people that they now have the option of deciding which issues are most important to them and researching which candidate they think is best, which is second best, etc. then getting people to do this would be a problem.  But people who still wanted to vote for only one candidate would have that option.

 

I would welcome the chance use my vote to clearly demonstrate which candidate and party I think is the best in an election, and which I think is the worst.  If the majority of voters could and would do this it would provide valuable information about what the voters really want to all parties.  Much better than the increasingly inaccurate polls that both big parties pay big bucks for.  And it would give small parties a better chance of growing into serious contenders.

 

Also, it would be nice to not have to choose the lesser of two evils when I vote.

Rank choice voting is a great idea. It would probably cure polarization.

[placnx]

On 12/12/2020 at 7:30 AM, RJRS1301 said:

Well he was correct in two things SCOTUS  showed Wisdom and Courage and did its job by following the law and constitution. The system can be respected by those who want to be seen as supporting democracy, not authoritatrianism.

Melania can now call her divorce lawyers and file on 21st Jan 2021 for separation from the petty man

 

Hope she gets to keep the Mar-a-Lago house!

[onthedarkside]

Derogatory name calling references have been removed from multiple posts.

 

 

[placnx]

On 12/12/2020 at 12:38 PM, placeholder said:

Given woo his foreign friends are, it would be chump change for them to bail him out. The Qataris have already done it for the Kushner family.

If there is no prospect of a return to power, why would any Gulf states bail Trump out?

[placeholder]

Just now, placnx said:

If there is no prospect of a return to power, why would any Gulf states bail Trump out?

To show others that they don't forget their friends. It doesn't even need to be blatant. Just some deals with the Trump organization abroad.

[Sujo]

Repubs stand by your convictions. It was fraud. Stand down and do a re election of your own position.

[placnx]

On 12/12/2020 at 2:42 PM, spidermike007 said:

Better we start referring to him as 44. The 44th worst in history. Beaten only by Buchanan or Harrison, as the worst ever. Take your pick. 

In time Richard Nixon will be recognized as worse than Trump. Without Nixon, we may well not have had Trump and so many Republican senators who gridlocked Obama and who have Biden in their sights. If the Senate continues under McConnell's "leadership", could Susan Collins defect to the Dems? 

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[placnx]

13 hours ago, placeholder said:

And in fact the conservatives electoral decisions almost always favor the Republicans, even if it means violating their principles of leaving legislative issues to legislatures even if it means allowing an injustice to continue. The most egregious cases was their striking down of the voting rights act. The conservative justices claimed that they had to strike it down because the political situation was such that the Congress would never alter it even though the justices believed that the situation that was responsible for its enactment no longer existed. It was on this basis that no appeals to the Supreme Court based on gerrymandering will be allowed unless it can be show that the changes were explicitly made on a racial basis. So discriminating on the basis of political allegiance is now legitimate even though it's clear in the south that it's just a way of getting around the 14th amendment.

Wow. This is a good analysis - the supposed philosophy of originalism is camouflage for opportunism. With the Voting Rights Act it was quite clear that enforcement should continue, but no.....

[polpott]

3 hours ago, placeholder said:

To show others that they don't forget their friends. It doesn't even need to be blatant. Just some deals with the Trump organization abroad.

When Trump leaves office he and his company will be mired in litigation. The Trump name will become toxic globally. Even MBS will want to distance himself from Trump.

[habanero]

On 12/9/2020 at 6:12 PM, Jeffr2 said:

Since it's a frivolous lawsuit, if turned down, Trump should pay all the legal expenses.  Not fair for us tax payers to do so.

Tax payers are not paying it.  The funds come from donations to the RNC. 

[stevenl]

7 minutes ago, habanero said:

Tax payers are not paying it.  The funds come from donations to the RNC. 

Nonsense. The RNC is paying for the campaign's expenses, but court costs etc are for tax payers' account.

[Jeffr2]

6 hours ago, habanero said:

Tax payers are not paying it.  The funds come from donations to the RNC. 

Ummm....who's paying for the judges?  The clerks?  The electricity at the court houses. The facilities that are being used for this rather than other important matters.

 

Funds for lawyers come from Trump.  Funds for the judges, clerks, security, etc, come from taxpayers.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 12/12/2020 at 11:06 PM, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

It wouldn't have mattered either way... Even if the SC had issued a formal ruling and elaboration on the case, people like you would and will continue to claim the election was stolen... because Trump will continue to claim the election was stolen.

 

Doesn't matter that there's absolutely no evidence or proof. Doesn't matter that federal and state elections officials across the country have said there was no meaningful fraud or illegalities. Doesn't matter that Trump and Co. are something like 1-50+ in losing court fights all around the country. Doesn't matter that Biden won the popular vote by 7M+ and the Electoral College by a substantial excess margin.

 

As long as Trump keeps bellowing his lies, people like you will keep echoing and believing them.

 

Just like the shameful 100+ Republican House of Representatives members who signed on endorsing Paxton's farcical lawsuit -- forgetting their oath to uphold the U.S. Constitution and their nation's laws and democratic traditions in favor of their fearful or deluded loyalty to a disgraced, autocratic loser.

 

No, it doesn't matter at all.

[placeholder]

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

No, it doesn't matter at all.

Thanks for the confession.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Thanks for the confession.

You're welcome.

[Jeffr2]

19 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

No, it doesn't matter at all.

Sad times in the US when people think like this.  No wonder our democracy is in trouble.

[Seth1a2a]

On 12/12/2020 at 4:08 AM, talahtnut said:

This week’s state of affairs proves that America is a madhouse, and the media,

a world reminiscent of Columbus falling off the flat earth...the many slave-minded, are simply too weak to comprehend the idea of fighting for our freedom.

By the way,

Your comments were sounding a little  too familiar so I had to look this up:

 

“Democracy is talking itself to death. The people do not know what they want; they do not know what is the best for them. There is too much foolishness, too much ."

 

Compliments of former fascist dictator   Benito Mussolini

Hope Your beloved  il Duce, Donny doesn't meet the same tragic end.

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2016 

Trump posted the tweet early Sunday morning from @ilduce2016: “It is better to live one day as a lion than 100 years as a sheep.”

When asked if he wanted to be associated with a fascist, Trump said: “No, I want to be associated with interesting quotes. And people, you know, I have almost 14 million people between Instagram and Facebook and Twitter and all of that. And we do interesting things. And I sent it out. And certainly, hey, it got your attention, didn't it?”

 

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/trump-tweets-interesting-mussolini-quote-219932

 

 

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81 million voters decided to vote for Democratic leadership

instead of fascist rule....

[thaibeachlovers]

2 minutes ago, Seth1a2a said:

And I sent it out. And certainly, hey, it got your attention, didn't it?”

Indeed it did 55555555555555