2 minutes ago, transam said:

Yep, and farangs here think its OK.....????

Nobody thinks its OK. Some of us realise that its the way it is and there ain't nothing you can do to change it, so we adapt to the situation.

2 minutes ago, neverere said:

Do you see it as your duty to educate all other road users ?

Can't get a work permit for that, but Mrs.Trans is now no problem on the roads.  ????

1 minute ago, transam said:

Folk here are making excuses for the locals doing daft stuff, LOS road carnage is embarrassing but you brush it aside, I don't....

PS. Trolling no, just concerned, so should you ..

I take it serious, but I understand why it is like it is. Nobody making excuses, for the fact is, most never had proper driving school to teach them. Most of us know how bad it was back when we grew up, and how long time it took to change the attitude among people about safety, and the same for work enviroment. It doesnt only take cultural understanding, it is about how stupid humans are without proper training and guidance. Call it universial stupidity. 

3 minutes ago, polpott said:

I adapt to the country I live in and its people. Something that you clearly can't.

Riiiiiiiight.......I suppose a crash hat is a no-no for you too.......????

4 minutes ago, transam said:

Can't get a work permit for that, but Mrs.Trans is now no problem on the roads.  ????

If there's one thing I feel above, it's a sense of righteousness. ????

Clearly the Thai rider is completely in the wrong.

 

You just learn that it's up to you to try and foresee everything because this type of situation crops up all the time- every km or so.

3 minutes ago, transam said:

Riiiiiiiight.......I suppose a crash hat is a no-no for you too.......????

I would never get on a bike without one. However, after riding a bike for a few months when I first came here, I found the best way to adapt to the situation was not to ride a bike at all, not even as a passenger. Cars all the way for me in Thailand.

to be honest the Thai was wrong. pulling  out into a main road without looking. one could argue that  there was no collision  because  the driver had to bail off the bike to avoid a collision but what the driver  should  have done. rather  than shouting  at him was take hit registration  plate. video  of his face and try to get his damages paid for.

 

maybe the thai had no license maybe he had a case he could  win but by acting like this he done the thai a favor 

 

need to be calm and patient in this country  screaming  and shouting  gets  you no where

 

for real if the thai man drove off quickly  had a crash then the forang could have been to blame as the Thai could  argue that after being hit he felt he was in danger and had to flee which caused him  to crash

Neither the guy who fell off his bike doing 20kmh or the old Thai fellah should be allowed on a bike unsupervised.

I only keep wondering how this dude managed to fall over almost no speed lol.

19 minutes ago, neverere said:

If there's one thing I feel above, it's a sense of righteousness. ????

Do the zillions of Thai folk stretched out across the farangland world drive the same there as they do here...

If no, why don't they..?

7 minutes ago, transam said:

Do the zillions of Thai folk stretched out across the farangland world drive the same there as they do here...

If no, why don't they..?

 1. In the west a Thai DL is only valid for a few months so resident Thais need to apply for a licence in that country. They need to get the same instruction and take the same test as citizens of that country do.

 

2. Once having gone to the trouble of obtaining their licence, they then realise that flaunting the local driving laws will quickly result in them losing their licence.

 

3. From my limited experience of Thais driving in the UK, I would say that they don't make good drivers abroad either.

1 hour ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

This foreigner should be charged with assault and deported.

He clearly overreacted, he has not got the experience to manage a dangerous situation, unexpected events occur on Thailand's Roads.

 

Thailand has its own road rules, we don't ride the same as back home, we need to adapt. At times I ride in a similar fashion to the old guy, Thais recognize this manoeuvre and move to the right so the oncoming rider can merge into the lane he's about to enter.

Go home, crazy foreigner.

 

Blame the foreigner ??? Dude you’ve gone way too native... time to tuck back into your bowl of ‘tor-diew ann-diew’... 

 

 

1 minute ago, polpott said:

 1. In the west a Thai DL is only valid for a few months so resident Thais need to apply for a licence in that country. They need to get the same instruction and take the same test as citizens of that country do.

 

2. Once having gone to the trouble of obtaining their licence, they then realise that flaunting the local driving laws will quickly result in them losing their licence.

 

3. From my limited experience of Thais driving in the UK, I would say that they don't make good drivers abroad either.

Thai drivers can drive on a Thai license for 1 year in the UK.

Now answer my question, do Thai drivers drive the same in farangland as they do in LOS, if no, why....?

3 hours ago, faraday said:

Although the Thai m/c was clearly in the wrong, the farang didn't appear to slow down approaching an intersection.

by any chance are you Thai... you are taking sides 555

4 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Blame the foreigner ??? Dude you’ve gone way too native... time to tuck back into your bowl of ‘tor-diew ann-diew’... 

 

 

Here is the thing Richard, my 14 year old son and any of his school friends would have negotiated this situation with no difficulty, so who is not safe to be on the roads in Thailand?

The Thai Motorcyclist was obviously a complete and total moron. 

 

This is the single major issue facing the roads in Thailand today - People doing what they want without consideration for the safety of others or themselves. 

 

Whenever I ride my motorcycle a motorcyclist will look and still pull out in front of me, sometimes very late - they know I have little choice but to break hard to avoid them. 

 

The dynamics of this accident are similar. A complete idiot does not want to wait for traffic to pass, why should he, he wants to go now !!!... so he turns directly into the path of an on coming motorcyclist knowing the motorcyclist will have to avoid him. 

 

The ‘farang’ motorcyclists, clearly inexperienced simply grabs too much front brake and the front wheel slips out. 

 

There was easily time to avoid this accident and many of us would, there was enough stopping distance etc. But, being an inexperienced motorcyclist does not place any blame at all on the ‘Westerner’ who was well within his rights to be very angry at the Thai idiot who placed him in such danger (the farming’s Thai was excellent BTW !).

 

I hope the Thai Guy pays for any damage to the Westerners motorcycle - unfortunately he rode off. 

I hope they find him and he can pay for any damages. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

9 minutes ago, transam said:

Thai drivers can drive on a Thai license for 1 year in the UK.

Now answer my question, do Thai drivers drive the same in farangland as they do in LOS, if no, why....?

Yes 1 year and then the full procedure for a UK licence, provisional licence, theory test, practical test.. I've already answered your question.

1 hour ago, transam said:

With that attitude folk will never learn how to use the road properly to reduce the LOS out of control road carnage....????

Yes its OUR job to educate the Thais in their own country. I wonder how that would work out in the other countries ????

Just now, 473geo said:

Here is the thing Richard, my 14 year old son and any of his school friends would have negotiated this situation with no difficulty, so who is not safe to be on the roads in Thailand?

 

Who is not safe to be on the roads in Thailand?

 

A very easy answer and one not influenced by a ‘gone native’ mentality: The guy pulling out the wrong way into an oncoming motorcyclists is not safe to be on the roads in Thailand !!!!! 

 

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That said: I agree, that was an easily avoidable accident. Many of us would have predicted an absolute idiot would just pull out without looking and brake earlier and grab less front brake (ABS also helps a lot when emergency breaking). 

 

BUT - why would / should we be forced to take avoiding action in the first place?????  

 

It is the way it is and we can’t ‘re-educate’ a whole nation. But that doesn’t place someone with less experience at fault when an idiot pulls out in front of him.

 

4 hours ago, faraday said:

Although the Thai m/c was clearly in the wrong, the farang didn't appear to slow down approaching an intersection.

Absolutely the Thai guy was in the wrong. That said though, the foreigner is clearly a very inexperienced rider. I can't believe he fell off his moto and a scooter no less. He clearly needs more seat time. 

2 minutes ago, robblok said:

Yes its OUR job to educate the Thais in their own country. I wonder how that would work out in the other countries ????

 

Actually, it's the Thai Government’s job to educate Thai’s in their own country.

The road fatality statistics indicates they are failing at this - An opinion on this is no less valid because the opinion holder is a Westerner.

 

These: ‘its not our country’ comments are fundamentally flawed. Don’t you care about the country you live in and those around you dying needlessly ? (rhetorical: of course you do).

 

It is a good thing that a foreigners voice their opinions on this: Someone will eventually hear. 

 

 

4 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Who is not safe to be on the roads in Thailand?

 

A very easy answer and one not influenced by a ‘gone native’ mentality: The guy pulling out the wrong way into an oncoming motorcyclists is not safe to be on the roads in Thailand !!!!! 

 

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That said: I agree, that was an easily avoidable accident. Many of us would have predicted an absolute idiot would just pull out without looking and brake earlier and grab less front brake (ABS also helps a lot when emergency breaking). 

 

BUT - why would / should we be forced to take avoiding action in the first place?????  

 

It is the way it is and we can’t ‘re-educate’ a whole nation. But that doesn’t place someone with less experience at fault when an idiot pulls out in front of him.

 

Us foreingers should not "educate"  Thais, Thais should educate themselves. Just imagine the flak you get doing this. Changes should originate from Thais it will build up resentment otherwise.

 

It would be the same if people from other countries start to educate us in our home country. It will get a lot of bad responses even if they are right.

 

My view is yes its dangerous but not our job to educate them it could even be counter effective and get the wrong response.

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Actually, it's the Thai Government’s job to educate Thai’s in their own country.

The road fatality statistics indicates they are failing at this - An opinion on this is no less valid because the opinion holder is a Westerner.

 

These: ‘its not our country’ comments are fundamentally flawed. Don’t you care about the country you live in and those around you dying needlessly ? (rhetorical: of course you do).

 

It is a good thing that a foreigners voice their opinions on this: Someone will eventually hear. 

 

 

See my post below yours. With my arguments. 

4 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

And then, the Thai rider, just rode off into the sunset afterwards completing the Hit & Run aspect of fleeing the scene afterwards instead of staying.  Of course he had lost FACE and could care less of the foreigner it appears.

Thais treat eachother pretty badly too. I just saw a video this morning when a male and his passenger were wrongly u-turning mid lane and didn't bother to look at the bikes coming behind him. He u-turned and was hit by two women on another bike. They all fell down. Then the guy gets up and kicks the female driver in the head and and argument ensues. What an $$$hat. This the sceeen cap of the kicking. Someone should have beaten him.

 

3 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Who is not safe to be on the roads in Thailand?

 

A very easy answer and one not influenced by a ‘gone native’ mentality: The guy pulling out the wrong way into an oncoming motorcyclists is not safe to be on the roads in Thailand !!!!! 

 

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That said: I agree, that was an easily avoidable accident. Many of us would have predicted an absolute idiot would just pull out without looking and brake earlier and grab less front brake (ABS also helps a lot when emergency breaking). 

 

BUT - why would / should we be forced to take avoiding action in the first place?????  

 

It is the way it is and we can’t ‘re-educate’ a whole nation. But that doesn’t place someone with less experience at fault when an idiot pulls out in front of him.

 

Wrong Richard, the 'gone native' mentality is exactly what is required, could have been a dog coming up the wrong side side of the road, a person pushing a hand cart, two people walking side by side, a 'native' would easily negotiate all these obstacles. Clearly the farang guy needs to learn a lot.

2 minutes ago, robblok said:

It would be the same if people from other countries start to educate us in our home country. It will get a lot of bad responses even if they are right.

Particularly if you tried to "educate" them by shouting at them and hitting them over the head.

3 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

BUT - why would / should we be forced to take avoiding action in the first place?????

 

I agree with you RS but lets be honest here. Riding a motorcycle anywhere in the world takes a road awareness and skill to avoid unfortunate events. I have had to avoid numerous "events" in the states, not with wrong way riders but people who just do not look. Honestly I have had far less "Near Misses" here in Thailand versus the States and in Mexico. The rider in the video is very inexperienced and him going down could have been and should have been easily avoided. 

8 minutes ago, DavisH said:

Thais treat eachother pretty badly too. I just saw a video this morning when a male and his passenger were wrongly u-turning mid lane and didn't bother to look at the bikes coming behind him. He u-turned and was hit by two women on another bike. They all fell down. Then the guy gets up and kicks the female driver in the head and and argument ensues. What an $$$hat. This the sceeen cap of the kicking. Someone should have beaten him.

 

Yes its not an anti foreigner thing at all, everyone always tries to escape blame its the same the world over. Though what your showing is totally crazy. The guy should have been beaten for sure.

 

But all over the world people will always blame others in traffic accidents. Not a Thai or western thing. 

4 minutes ago, robblok said:

Us foreingers should not "educate"  Thais, Thais should educate themselves. Just imagine the flak you get doing this. Changes should originate from Thais it will build up resentment otherwise.

 

It would be the same if people from other countries start to educate us in our home country. It will get a lot of bad responses even if they are right.

 

My view is yes its dangerous but not our job to educate them it could even be counter effective and get the wrong response.

 

International schools have a different opinion !!! - Full of ‘Foreigners educating Thai’s’ !!!

I also educate my son (who is half Thai), I educate my Wife and in many of our discussions on this and similar subjects I also educate many of my Thai friends, who in return educate me on aspects of Thailand. 

 

Just a few weeks ago I showed some ‘friends of friends’  how using a car seat was safer than not and how using a regular seatbelt across the shoulder was dangerous for the ‘neck’ and they should just use the lap belt alone when they don’t have a booster seat or child seat. 

My son was out on his bike with his friend. Parents out watching them. I told my sons friends mom about bike helmets. Its up to her if she listens - but as far as educating Thai’s go, it can easily be done. The same as educating anyone else, having a discussion in the first place is a good start. 

 

Its not as if we are making demands.. .but offering insight and help goes a long way, especially when you show you care.