32 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

A Freedom of Information request shows Lord Heseltine appeared to have received a series of EU farming subsidies since 2000 averaging £90,000 a year.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/958161/lord-heseltine-duke-of-wellington-brexit-blocker-90000-pounds-EU-land-subsidies

 

19 years at £90,00 per year total is £1,710,000

Do you really need a tabloid and a Freedom of Information request to know that? 

 

All European farms are subject to the same system

 

Heseltine, who begun his career as a property developer and is one of the wealthiest Brits. I'm not sure these £90,000 a year amounts to much compared to his fortune.

 

and if you care => https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/sep/29/the-queen-aristocrats-and-saudi-prince-among-recipients-of-eu-farm-subsidies

and Brexiteers make a big deal of their exclusive fishing zone 200 miles away (in fact this is mainly the Scot's EEZ) but the very hearth british land is owned by foreign interest.

 

Do you realize that 17% of England’s mountains green is actually owned by Oligarchs and City bankers?

 

 

Bring me my Chariot of fire!

3 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  Hopefully the UK will stop paying for Greeks tax evaders and start paying UK pensioners a decent amount 

That’s a laugh out loud post, given the part tax evasion for the hyper wealthy plays in the reasons for Brexit.

 

I so pleased Brexiteers are still able to laugh at the absurdity of their cause.

3 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  The E.U agreed to and wanted an extension of the talks and negotiations .

You could have disagreed and walked away if you wanted to 

It takes two to Tango

Why would the EU walk away, they’ll get what they want.

 

Boris blinked, his ‘we’ll walk’ nonsense is exposed.

 

Not only the EU saw this, every nation the UK needs a deal saw this.

 

On the upside, he’s not yet started begging.

23 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

and Brexiteers make a big deal of their exclusive fishing zone 200 miles away (in fact this is mainly the Scot's EEZ) but the very hearth british land is owned by foreign interest.

 

Do you realize that 17% of England’s mountains green is actually owned by Oligarchs and City bankers?

 

 

Bring me my Chariot of fire!

The English fishing boat owners all sold their Quota's to mainly Dutch boat owners,slipper captain's.

1 hour ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  Why is the E.U still negotiating and talking to us , four years after we told them we want to leave ?

Let us go, its what we want 

They are still talking so they don't get the blame when there's no deal.

"Retailers have urged the public not to panic buy over the prospect of a no deal with the EU." 

- The Sun-13th.December-

 

Why does the Retailers think the U.K.public will panic when no deal? 

 

It seems that they think the U.K.public does not trust their government when these proclaim that everything will be fine in the U.K., even with a no-deal. 

42 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

"Retailers have urged the public not to panic buy over the prospect of a no deal with the EU." 

- The Sun-13th.December-

 

Why does the Retailers think the U.K.public will panic when no deal? 

 

It seems that they think the U.K.public does not trust their government when these proclaim that everything will be fine in the U.K., even with a no-deal. 

Where did you obtain that quote from Luke, the British Media have a tendancy to be very economical with the truth, but panic buying is probably more to do with human nature, shoppers were buying toilet rolls like there was going to be no tomorrow when covid first struck.

 

But I did hear that there might be shortages of cows heads as us Brits love our tete de veau, so there could be something else for the remainers to beef about.

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Why would the EU walk away, they’ll get what they want.

 

Boris blinked, his ‘we’ll walk’ nonsense is exposed.

 

Not only the EU saw this, every nation the UK needs a deal saw this.

 

On the upside, he’s not yet started begging.

His 3  phone call requests for a Merkel / Macron / U .vdl  negotiation conversation could qualifie for a humble beginning of begging ????....they where refused ....as Barnier / Frost  team is for that ...

 

1 hour ago, luckyluke said:

"Retailers have urged the public not to panic buy over the prospect of a no deal with the EU." 

- The Sun-13th.December-

 

Why does the Retailers think the U.K.public will panic when no deal? 

 

It seems that they think the U.K.public does not trust their government when these proclaim that everything will be fine in the U.K., even with a no-deal. 

And same time Boris ask supermarkets to start stockpiling to keep the shelfs filled  ....so what the public would start think and ...doing ?....what would any one of the public do ...guess 3 times ? ????????????

 

" Close your eyes ...now do not think to a red cloth !...dont think to a red cloth !..sure do not ! ....well what do you ARE thinking  about now ...?....a red cloth i guess ......????

 

Comes in mind

 

 

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, vogie said:

Where did you obtain that quote from Luke, the British Media have a tendancy to be very economical with the truth, but panic buying is probably more to do with human nature, shoppers were buying toilet rolls like there was going to be no tomorrow when covid first struck.

 

 

 

I found that this morning on Brexit Latest News on the Net, seems, like I wrote, an article from The Sun. 

 

There is indeed a problem with every Media. Depends on the subject and the individual approach.

 

So  the same Media can be labelled as telling lies, if the reader don't like it, or labelled as telling the very truth when it agrees with the opinion of the reader. 

 

There are even people who immediately categorize everything from a well determined Media as untrue, they don't even have to read it. 

 

Panic buying is indeed a human nature when something occur or may occur.

 

If everything is smoothly, and will continue to be in the opinion of the public, there is no panic buying. 

3 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  Why is the E.U still negotiating and talking to us , four years after we told them we want to leave ?

Let us go, its what we want 

So it was the EU who asked for an extension? The EU is not forcing the UK to continue talking. It is not forcing the UK to negotiate. The UK is free to cease negotiating any time it wants to. Take it up with Boris.

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

So it was the EU who asked for an extension? The EU is not forcing the UK to continue talking. It is not forcing the UK to negotiate. The UK is free to cease negotiating any time it wants to. Take it up with Boris.

 

Both parties are looking for a deal. 

 

I am positively surprised by the attitude of Mr. Johnson, he seems to want to be the prime minister for all Britons, not only for a minority of hard cores who want a non-deal, whatever it may, maybe, cost for the man in the street. 

 

He may succeed or not, but there is certainly a will, as he is agree with the continuing of the negotiations, instead of definitively stop them yesterday evening. 

12 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

 

Both parties are looking for a deal. 

 

I am positively surprised by the attitude of Mr. Johnson, he seems to want to be the prime minister for all Britons, not only for a minority of hard cores who want a non-deal, whatever it may, maybe, cost for the man in the street. 

 

He may succeed or not, but there is certainly a will, as he is agree with the continuing of the negotiations, instead of definitively stop them yesterday evening. 

I agree. But the reflexive habit of blaming the EU for everything, even somehow forcing the UK to negotiate, is just nuts.

4 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  Why is the E.U still negotiating and talking to us , four years after we told them we want to leave ?

Why not? 
 

4 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

Let us go, its what we want 

You left already. Dont remember? 

19 hours ago, robblok said:

Lest wait and see if the Brits keep their promise. Probably not as BJ is untrustworthy. I bet he wont pull out, tomorrow we will know there is either a deal or BJ pulls out or BJ is lying. I am thinking it will be option 3.

 

Monday we will know. 

Its Monday and he did not walk, seems i was right by saying BJ was lying. Lot of bark no bite from BJ.

 

Think Transam could remove his lying smiley because i was dead right. 

29 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

 

Both parties are looking for a deal. 

 

I am positively surprised by the attitude of Mr. Johnson, he seems to want to be the prime minister for all Britons, not only for a minority of hard cores who want a non-deal, whatever it may, maybe, cost for the man in the street. 

 

He may succeed or not, but there is certainly a will, as he is agree with the continuing of the negotiations, instead of definitively stop them yesterday evening. 

It seem BJ is a liar or really bad at poker. Bluffing all the time. But its hard to bluf an opponent with far better cards. I guess the guy is either incompetent or lying. He said he would break off. Did not do it again. That is lying or being really bad at the game. Either is not helping him. 

9 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

So for you it is about immigration?

While you live in Thailand.

As a migrant. 

It's about many things, of which uncontrolled immigration is one.

 

Of course it's possible to wish your country gains controls of it's borders and immigration policy while living 100% legally in another country that has control of it's borders and immigration policy.

 

You think living legally, paying tax and following the strict Thai policy on visas etc. as an expat in Thailand means you have to support some kind of free for all, uncontrolled, Utopian, open borders policy for the UK? How do you reach such a conclusion?

15 minutes ago, robblok said:

It seem BJ is a liar or really bad at poker. Bluffing all the time. But its hard to bluf an opponent with far better cards. I guess the guy is either incompetent or lying. He said he would break off. Did not do it again. That is lying or being really bad at the game. Either is not helping him. 

 

That's a perception, but you may be right.

 

Politicians are sly people, everything may be smoke & mirrors with a well define agenda :

giving the base the illusion that something is done for them, and if it doesn't work, it is because of the others.

This is valid for every politicians, and thus count for Mr. Macron as well. 

7 hours ago, robblok said:

It seem BJ is a liar or really bad at poker. Bluffing all the time. But its hard to bluf an opponent with far better cards. I guess the guy is either incompetent or lying. He said he would break off. Did not do it again. That is lying or being really bad at the game. Either is not helping him. 

Once you are out completely, even if it is on WTO-terms, you may well look back on 2020 as the year in which you managed to escape the dead hand of Brussels and regain your role as a global player with a distinctly more liberal, more entrepreneur-friendly and hence more attractive and innovative place to do business.

A kind of Singapore on Thames is exactly what is feared most in Berlin and this is why Germany will do everything it takes to avoid a trade war and to get Monsieur Barnier and France off their high horse.

It seems BJ is holding the far better cards....

1 hour ago, robblok said:

It seem BJ is a liar or really bad at poker. Bluffing all the time. But its hard to bluf an opponent with far better cards. I guess the guy is either incompetent or lying. He said he would break off. Did not do it again. That is lying or being really bad at the game. Either is not helping him. 

It's obvious you have only played snap...????

4 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

A transcript of the phone call yesterday from Mrs Merkel (aka "Hetty") to Ursula von der Leyen

"Ursula dear we have a 80 billion euro surplus of trade with them damn der Englanders,they are the worlds biggest market for our cars....give Herr Boris another call and let,s see if we cannot compromise..don,t say nothing to zee French about it"....

 

25 minutes ago, petermik said:

Once you are out completely, even if it is on WTO-terms, you may well look back on 2020 as the year in which you managed to escape the dead hand of Brussels and regain your role as a global player with a distinctly more liberal, more entrepreneur-friendly and hence more attractive and innovative place to do business.

A kind of Singapore on Thames is exactly what is feared most in Berlin and this is why Germany will do everything it takes to avoid a trade war and to get Monsieur Barnier and France off their high horse.

It seems BJ is holding the far better cards....

and what happened to the ‘Singapore on Thames’ ? 
 

Bojo was quietly informed the only affluent areas where that could work voted Remain ! 
 

‘Bojo holds all the cards’ ????????????

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

It's about many things, of which uncontrolled immigration is one.

 

Of course it's possible to wish your country gains controls of it's borders and immigration policy while living 100% legally in another country that has control of it's borders and immigration policy.

 

You think living legally, paying tax and following the strict Thai policy on visas etc. as an expat in Thailand means you have to support some kind of free for all, uncontrolled, Utopian, open borders policy for the UK? How do you reach such a conclusion?

it’s not uncontrolled that’s all in your head and the vast majority will be paying their taxes so what else is it ? Colour ? 
 

Do you want all travellers to leave too ? 
 

 

6 hours ago, Hi from France said:

Lord Heseltine,

Quote

“This government will be – and should be – held responsible for quite simply the worst peacetime decision of modern times".

Smacks of desperation quoting the ultra remainer Heseltine who has had nearly 1 million pounds in subsidies for his businesses from the EU. Wonder why he wants the UK to stay and overturn a democratic referendum.  The man should be in Gaol and like many who had their heads i the trough from the HoL is an embarrassment to the country..

18 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

   Its a World agreement , which we have agreed to . 

We are a member of the WTO and happily abide by the rules

The UK hasn't agreed to anything in the WTO for decades, the EU represented all member states.

The UK has had to introduce a new profile for brexit and now have to watch their back for any country that has a grievance.

12 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Smacks of desperation quoting the ultra remainer Heseltine who has had nearly 1 million pounds in subsidies for his businesses from the EU. Wonder why he wants the UK to stay and overturn a democratic referendum.  The man should be in Gaol and like many who had their heads i the trough from the HoL is an embarrassment to the country..

Do enlighten us, what law has Lord Heseltine broken that you want him in prison, beyond of course holding and expressing beliefs you don’t agree with?

 

 

 

 

 Boris's dilemma: placate the ERG faction in the Tory party and go for a no deal. Try to placate the nation and go for a deal, thin as it is 

The first will cause untold financial damage to the UK, the latter may see the ERG try to unseat Boris.

As Boris is a man of the short term fix he is probably inclined to go for the former but just somewhere in his mind may be the image of a PM who failed in statecraft and sent the UK into terminal decline.

 

 

^You mean he is going to do what the electorate asked him to do, oh how awful. ^