UK tells EU: back down by Sunday night or we'll walk

[luckyluke]

4 minutes ago, Tofer said:

as German MEP Gunnar Beck pointed out.

Mr. Gunnar Beck is a member of The Alternative for Germany, a German nationalist and opposed to the European Union, party, characterized as being on the far-right.

They have 7 seats in the European Parliament.

Despite been interesting to know his personal opinion, it is in no way representative.

[CorpusChristie]

17 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Thank god we left the EU - no longer will we have all those unelected foreigners making laws for us to obey.

 

 

 

  Well , apart from the fact that the House of Lords do not make any rules 

[RuamRudy]

2 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  Well , apart from the fact that the House of Lords do not make any rules 

 

Next you'll be telling us that we use PR in general elections. 

 

Regardless of your interpretation of the function and powers of the HoL, are you comfortable that our government sees fit to admit the Russian children of Russian billionaire thieves into the UK's legislative process? Is this what was meant by taking back control? 

[transam]

22 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Thank god we left the EU - no longer will we have all those unelected foreigners making laws for us to obey.

 

 

The UK is made of many nationalities over thousands of years, but in the present day things are a lot different, passports and borders. Plus no more invading the UK shores, to wonder and live, though the Germans did try not that long ago. 

Being a member of the EU changed everything, EU folk could just walk into the UK, but thankfully that has now stopped, and we can get back to controlling the type of foreigner we want. 

 

Perhaps you can tell me what nationality you will not find in the UK, and that Lords are only from born and bred UK stock..?

[transam]

6 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

Next you'll be telling us that we use PR in general elections. 

 

Regardless of your interpretation of the function and powers of the HoL, are you comfortable that our government sees fit to admit the Russian children of Russian billionaire thieves into the UK's legislative process? Is this what was meant by taking back control? 

 

So now Russia is in the EU....?

[RuamRudy]

Just now, transam said:

 

So now Russia is in the EU....?

Ok, so its only EU nationals you object to? 

[transam]

3 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Ok, so its only EU nationals you object to? 

This is a Brexit thread, regarding free movement etc, I think you will find Russians cannot just walk in, as they are not in the EU...You are off topic......????

 

[sandyf]

On 12/17/2020 at 8:47 AM, CorpusChristie said:

 

  No, the E.U wouldnt negotiate any new terns until the UK left the E.U .

The transition period is the time between when the UK left the E.U and when the new agreements are agreed upon .

The UK left the EU, but remains a member of the single market and customs union , until new agreements are made 

Wrong again, the transition period will end on 31st Dec and the UK will leave the SM and customs union, irrespective.

There are essential agreements that must be put in place before then but they do not relate to trade, they are about other issues that were supposed to be included in the FTA.

 

 

[Tofer]

24 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

Despite been interesting to know his personal opinion, it is in no way representative.

 

That is a matter of opinion. Just because you label him a far right nationalist, does not mean his statements are incorrect.

 

 

[CorpusChristie]

16 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

Next you'll be telling us that we use PR in general elections. 

 

Regardless of your interpretation of the function and powers of the HoL, are you comfortable that our government sees fit to admit the Russian children of Russian billionaire thieves into the UK's legislative process? Is this what was meant by taking back control? 

 

  I have no problems or issues with someone who is half British from sitting on the house of lords .

Do you have any issues with half foreign people taking jobs ?

  Should Boris be sacked , because he was born in the USA ?

Also , that isnt my interpretation of the HoL's role , they do not make any rules or laws 

[CorpusChristie]

14 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Ok, so its only EU nationals you object to? 

 

  You are trying to equate the whole E.U law making process , which is made by the E.U in Brussels , laws the UK needs to adhere to , with ONE guy who is half Russian/British from sitting on the HoL ?

  ????

[CorpusChristie]

11 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Wrong again, the transition period will end on 31st Dec and the UK will leave the SM and customs union, irrespective.

There are essential agreements that must be put in place before then but they do not relate to trade, they are about other issues that were supposed to be included in the FTA.

 

 

 

This is the list of E.U member states , the UK is NOT on the list

 

List of member states

State	Capital	Accession	Population (2019)[82]	Area	Population density	MEPs
27 total			446,834,579	4,233,262 km2 (1,634,472 sq mi)	106/km2 (270/sq mi)
Austria	Vienna	1 January 1995	8,858,775	83,855 km2 (32,377 sq mi)	106/km2 (270/sq mi)	19
Belgium	Brussels	Founder	11,467,923	30,528 km2 (11,787 sq mi)	376/km2 (970/sq mi)	21
Bulgaria	Sofia	1 January 2007	7,000,039	110,994 km2 (42,855 sq mi)	63/km2 (160/sq mi)	17
Croatia	Zagreb	1 July 2013	4,076,246	56,594 km2 (21,851 sq mi)	72/km2 (190/sq mi)	12
Cyprus	Nicosia	1 May 2004	875,898	9,251 km2 (3,572 sq mi)	95/km2 (250/sq mi)	6
Czech Republic	Prague	1 May 2004	10,649,800	78,866 km2 (30,450 sq mi)	135/km2 (350/sq mi)	21
Denmark	Copenhagen	1 January 1973	5,806,081	43,075 km2 (16,631 sq mi)	135/km2 (350/sq mi)	14
Estonia	Tallinn	1 May 2004	1,324,820	45,227 km2 (17,462 sq mi)	29/km2 (75/sq mi)	7
Finland	Helsinki	1 January 1995	5,517,919	338,424 km2 (130,666 sq mi)	16/km2 (41/sq mi)	14
France	Paris	Founder	67,028,048	640,679 km2 (247,368 sq mi)	105/km2 (270/sq mi)	79
Germany	Berlin	Founder[n]	83,019,214	357,021 km2 (137,847 sq mi)	233/km2 (600/sq mi)	96
Greece	Athens	1 January 1981	10,722,287	131,990 km2 (50,960 sq mi)	81/km2 (210/sq mi)	21
Hungary	Budapest	1 May 2004	9,797,561	93,030 km2 (35,920 sq mi)	105/km2 (270/sq mi)	21
Republic of Ireland	Dublin	1 January 1973	4,904,226	70,273 km2 (27,133 sq mi)	70/km2 (180/sq mi)	13
Italy	Rome	Founder	60,359,546	301,338 km2 (116,347 sq mi)	200/km2 (520/sq mi)	76
Latvia	Riga	1 May 2004	1,919,968	64,589 km2 (24,938 sq mi)	30/km2 (78/sq mi)	8
Lithuania	Vilnius	1 May 2004	2,794,184	65,200 km2 (25,200 sq mi)	43/km2 (110/sq mi)	11
Luxembourg	Luxembourg City	Founder	613,894	2,586 km2 (998 sq mi)	237/km2 (610/sq mi)	6
Malta	Valletta	1 May 2004	493,559	316 km2 (122 sq mi)	1,562/km2 (4,050/sq mi)	6
Netherlands	Amsterdam	Founder	17,282,163	41,543 km2 (16,040 sq mi)	416/km2 (1,080/sq mi)	29
Poland	Warsaw	1 May 2004	37,972,812	312,685 km2 (120,728 sq mi)	121/km2 (310/sq mi)	52
Portugal	Lisbon	1 January 1986	10,276,617	92,390 km2 (35,670 sq mi)	111/km2 (290/sq mi)	21
Romania	Bucharest	1 January 2007	19,401,658	238,391 km2 (92,043 sq mi)	81/km2 (210/sq mi)	33
Slovakia	Bratislava	1 May 2004	5,450,421	49,035 km2 (18,933 sq mi)	111/km2 (290/sq mi)	14
Slovenia	Ljubljana	1 May 2004	2,080,908	20,273 km2 (7,827 sq mi)	103/km2 (270/sq mi)	8
Spain	Madrid	1 January 1986	46,934,632	504,030 km2 (194,610 sq mi)	93/km2 (240/sq mi)	59
Sweden	Stockholm	1 January 1995	10,230,185	449,964 km2 (173,732 sq mi)	23/km2 (60/sq mi)	21

European Union - Wikipedia

[RuamRudy]

16 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  You are trying to equate the whole E.U law making process , which is made by the E.U in Brussels , laws the UK needs to adhere to , with ONE guy who is half Russian/British from sitting on the HoL ?

  ????

 

No, I am highlighting the utter hypocrisy of Brexit, and the cronyism and corruption that is endemic from the PM down, which makes a mockery of this whole concept of 'taking back control', not that any brexiteer has ever been able to define what that actually meant.

[RuamRudy]

29 minutes ago, transam said:

This is a Brexit thread, regarding free movement etc, I think you will find Russians cannot just walk in, as they are not in the EU...You are off topic......????

 

 

I appreciate that tangents and parallels may be hard to deduce for some. Take time and think about it a bit more. 

[transam]

1 minute ago, RuamRudy said:

 

I appreciate that tangents and parallels may be hard to deduce for some. Take time and think about it a bit more. 

I was going to tell you the same thing, but I am trying to behave......????

[CorpusChristie]

1 minute ago, RuamRudy said:

 

No, I am highlighting the utter hypocrisy of Brexit, and the cronyism and corruption that is endemic from the PM down, which makes a mockery of this whole concept of 'taking back control', not that any brexiteer has ever been able to define what that actually meant.

 

  Brexit was never about stopping half British people from getting the top jobs in the UK.

[RuamRudy]

42 minutes ago, transam said:

The UK is made of many nationalities over thousands of years, but in the present day things are a lot different, passports and borders. Plus no more invading the UK shores, to wonder and live, though the Germans did try not that long ago. 

Being a member of the EU changed everything, EU folk could just walk into the UK, but thankfully that has now stopped, and we can get back to controlling the type of foreigner we want. 

 

Perhaps you can tell me what nationality you will not find in the UK, and that Lords are only from born and bred UK stock..?

 

It wasn't me who was complaining about immigrants. I think you will find that it is your Brexit mates who don't like people who don't look like them. 

 

Personally, I don't like corruption so that is my objection. Other than that - if you are willing to work and contribute and obey the laws, as we know the vast majority of immigrants do, then I am content for them to come and live here. 

[transam]

3 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

No, I am highlighting the utter hypocrisy of Brexit, and the cronyism and corruption that is endemic from the PM down, which makes a mockery of this whole concept of 'taking back control', not that any brexiteer has ever been able to define what that actually meant.

I find it odd that you still don't understand that we are no longer in the EU and keep digging up old Brexit questions.

Now chummy, it really is time for you to recap what has happened in the last year and move on, I mean, you may even be able to sleep better...

[transam]

3 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

It wasn't me who was complaining about immigrants. I think you will find that it is your Brexit mates who don't like people who don't look like them. 

 

Personally, I don't like corruption so that is my objection. Other than that - if you are willing to work and contribute and obey the laws, as we know the vast majority of immigrants do, then I am content for them to come and live here. 

I think you are making more assumptions and twisting stuff to suit your agenda, I am used to reading it though....????

[Chomper Higgot]

34 minutes ago, Tofer said:

 

That is a matter of opinion. Just because you label him a far right nationalist, does not mean his statements are incorrect.

 

 

He’s labeled a far right nationalist because he is s far right nationalist, his views are those of a far right nationalist, heavily politically biased.

[RuamRudy]

Just now, transam said:

I think you are making more assumptions and twisting stuff to suit your agenda, I am used to reading it though....????

 

Yeah? You never saw any nasty, racist overtones at all, and Brexit was driven by the purest, most honourable of intentions? Bless...

[transam]

2 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

Yeah? You never saw any nasty, racist overtones at all, and Brexit was driven by the purest, most honourable of intentions? Bless...

If you say so........????

[CorpusChristie]

4 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

I appreciate that tangents and parallels may be hard to deduce for some. Take time and think about it a bit more. 

 

  I would go a step further than that , The parallels between the UK leaving the  E.U and Lebedev sitting on the HoL are impossible for me to comprehend .

   Quite simply , incomparable. 

[CorpusChristie]

4 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

Yeah? You never saw any nasty, racist overtones at all, and Brexit was driven by the purest, most honourable of intentions? Bless...

 

  I would cease alleging that others a racist , just after you pointed out someone is only hall British and thus shouldbt be in the HoL , if I were you 

[RuamRudy]

3 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  I would cease alleging that others a racist , just after you pointed out someone is only hall British and thus shouldbt be in the HoL , if I were you 

As I said, parallels and tangents may not be obvious to all. Also, as I said, I am more than happy to receive immigrants. What I object to is cronyism and corruption, but that's just me. 

[Sujo]

7 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  I would cease alleging that others a racist , just after you pointed out someone is only hall British and thus shouldbt be in the HoL , if I were you 

Why, what has race to do with being half british.

[transam]

2 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

As I said, parallels and tangents may not be obvious to all. Also, as I said, I am more than happy to receive immigrants. What I object to is cronyism and corruption, but that's just me. 

I think by now we know what you are happy with/about. ????

[CorpusChristie]

4 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Why, what has race to do with being half british.

 

  Pointing out that a person is only half British and then questioning  his ability to do his job, based on only being half British, is considered to be racist, these days 

[Hi from France]

25 minutes ago, transam said:

I find it odd that you still don't understand that we are no longer in the EU

to be or not to be in the EU that's still the question...

 

 

.. or rather now that the UK is de jure not a member of the EU anymore, if it will not de facto be bound by the very same rules and constraints as before.

 

 

After all, our economies are still deeply integrated, our geopolitical interests are still the same and we are still in close geographical proximity.

 

 

 

@brexiteers @CorpusChristie  @vinny41 @Loiner

 @vogie

 

What do you say about that? Apart from the idea that the UK shall weigh anchor and set sail toward the rising sun, Brexiteers-tabloid style ?

 

 

.

[vogie]

37 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

As I said, parallels and tangents may not be obvious to all. Also, as I said, I am more than happy to receive immigrants. What I object to is cronyism and corruption, but that's just me. 

You don't like corruption, but SNP corruption is just fine, same with nationalism is it, all SNP nationalism is good, who draws up these standards you live your life by RR?