No deal on Brexit trade 'very very likely', British PM Johnson says

[deadbeat]

Roll on Dec 31,

Free at last, Free at last, Thank the Lord almighty, we're free at last.

And I dont care how much it costs. 

[Surelynot]

1 minute ago, deadbeat said:

Roll on Dec 31,

Free at last, Free at last, Thank the Lord almighty, we're free at last.

And I dont care how much it costs. 

Other peoples livelihoods, businesses, employment....in some cases their homes and relationships....yep well with it....?

[JonnyF]

10 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

Name me an industrial British product. According to Reuters the deal with Japan was beneficial to the Japanese as non of the products agreed upon are exported from the UK to Japan (perhaps cheddar maybe). 

I could name many but it's a diversion since industrial products are not sold in uk supermarkets.

 

Reuters is a Remainer organisation. I listen to them as much as sky news, bbc and c4.

 

These globalist media corporations are still upset they got waxed by 17.4 million brits. That's the power of democracy. Suck it up.

 

 

[vogie]

1 minute ago, Surelynot said:

Other peoples livelihoods, businesses, employment....in some cases their homes and relationships....yep well with it....?

It doesn't seem to be bothering Mr Macron much does it, his family motto is no fish is better than some fish.????????????

[George Aylesham]

2 hours ago, Natai Beach said:

 

I am surprised Boris hasn’t got it done already.

He seems like such a competent, sensible and intelligent man. He is doing a superb job with covid, he said so himself.

 

Bad for the expat Brits, your pound won’t be worth much after this.

 

Yes, with the probable crash in sterling after Sunday the consequences for many retired Brits in LOS may be grim if they are unable to fulfill the Immigration service income requirements.

[soalbundy]

16 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

I could name many but it's a diversion since industrial products are not sold in uk supermarkets.

 

Reuters is a Remainer organisation. I listen to them as much as sky news, bbc and c4.

 

These globalist media corporations are still upset they got waxed by 17.4 million brits. That's the power of democracy. Suck it up.

 

 

I know of someone else who calls out "Fake news" to truths he doesn't like.

A country makes its money through trade not through selling cheddar cheese in its own supermarkets. As a German politician once put it, " a yearly increase in economical output isn't everything but without it there is nothing" The UK has now a 2 trillion pound debt it will rely on trading its own products to pay it and the interest, Argentina showed us a few years back what happens when you can't, pensions weren't paid and essential government services ceased.....I'm not saying that this will happen in the UK but merely pointing out that trade is important, Bojo was pinning his hopes on America, sucking up to a delusional, corrupt, would be tyrant (freedom is soooo important) but Biden is shying away and won't play ball so up till now we are left with a tiny pathetic deal with Singapore and a deal that benefits Japan (probably in an attempt to keep Japanese car factories in the UK)

[Laughing Gravy]

50 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

Certainly, so name me a world beating high value British industrial product that the UK exports. I must correct your first statement, some people are already going hungry even during the transition period, not everybody, and homelessness has already reached epic proportions, not everybody, I'm predicting it will get worse in the event of a no deal. I still don't think it will come to that, there will be a pragmatic fudge because all this nebulous nonsense about freedom (where has your personal freedom been reduced? it's only been increased you can go where you want in the EU to live and work) is lower down the list than money.

Its the same boring mantra we have been hearing for 5 years.

 

900,000 jobs will be gone straight after the referendum if we voted leave. Another lie. Guess what more jobs were created.

 

So Brexit has caused people to go hungry and no homes. Please you need to stop believing the Guardian and the independent newspapers.

 

I could go anywhere before and I did. I worked and lived in two countries in Europe. Lived and worked in the ME and in SE Asia. trying to say the EU has made travel easier is nonsense. Maybe for some countries like the Eastern Europeans and some Africans who could not travel like the Brits and the EU gave them freedom of movement.

 

Your a  doomsday sensationalist. Like previously the UK will be okay. It might take a slight hit in some areas but it will be fine as it always was and has.

 

Our conversation is over.

[Laughing Gravy]

2 hours ago, soalbundy said:

No I don't think so, times are going to be very difficult in the UK for the average working person and the average voter is more fickle than a bored woman, that isn't to say things will be hunky dory in the EU either but the larger european countries are better at looking after their people than the UK.

Are you moving there then!

[RichardColeman]

3 hours ago, Natai Beach said:

Bad for the expat Brits, your pound won’t be worth much after this.

I doubt many on here are  not suffering with their own currency already !

[Pedrogaz]

Brexit will be a non event in 6 months time when all the issues are resolved. A Free Trade deal will be negotiated, maybe 2 to 3  because it make economic sense and out elites make a vast amount of money out of it. 

The EU has no business at all refusing a Canada type deal....it is simply bad faith negotiating.

[soalbundy]

48 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Are you moving there then!

No need to, the German government and BMW are already looking after me with a good pension that increases every year no matter where I live, on top of which the German embassy makes my life easier by giving me a letter of pension confirmation for the IO.

[Pedrogaz]

1 minute ago, RichardColeman said:

I doubt many on here are  not suffering with their own currency already !

Bad for UK, US, Aussie dollar.....OK for people that changed enough into baht

[soalbundy]

57 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Its the same boring mantra we have been hearing for 5 years.

 

900,000 jobs will be gone straight after the referendum if we voted leave. Another lie. Guess what more jobs were created.

 

So Brexit has caused people to go hungry and no homes. Please you need to stop believing the Guardian and the independent newspapers.

 

I could go anywhere before and I did. I worked and lived in two countries in Europe. Lived and worked in the ME and in SE Asia. trying to say the EU has made travel easier is nonsense. Maybe for some countries like the Eastern Europeans and some Africans who could not travel like the Brits and the EU gave them freedom of movement.

 

Your a  doomsday sensationalist. Like previously the UK will be okay. It might take a slight hit in some areas but it will be fine as it always was and has.

 

Our conversation is over.

Your words in gods ear no doubt.

[Surelynot]

1 hour ago, Laughing Gravy said:

So Brexit has caused people to go hungry and no homes. Please you need to stop believing the Guardian and the independent newspapers.

 

Link?

 

[Laughing Gravy]

2 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

So Brexit has caused people to go hungry and no homes

Not my words someone else Sherlock. Do keep and be a good chap.

[Laughing Gravy]

11 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

No need to, the German government and BMW are already looking after me with a good pension that increases every year no matter where I live, on top of which the German embassy makes my life easier by giving me a letter of pension confirmation for the IO.

Gotcha. It all makes perfect sense now.

[RayC]

3 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

the EU and their corrupt protectionist anti democratic bullying racket.

 

Very belated open question to anyone who shares a similar view.

 

When you talk about 'The EU' in this context. Who/ What are you referring to exactly?

 

[Laughing Gravy]

56 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

No need to, the German government and BMW are already looking after me with a good pension that increases every year no matter where I live, on top of which the German embassy makes my life easier by giving me a letter of pension confirmation for the IO.

I always found BMW's to be basic inside and overpriced. Japanese always gave more for the amount. Now i know why you are so bitter.

Edited December 12, 2020 by Laughing Gravy

[NeoDinosaw]

8 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

Can't wait to see the French fisherman riots burning Macron posters. Macron is digging himself into an almighty hole.

It's bonkin' Boris who has dig the UK into an almighty mess from which we will probably never recover - especially if the liar stays in charge

 

[NeoDinosaw]

6 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

What happened if there is a deal you will look a right twerp.

 

To have a deal there has two be two sides wanting a deal. the EU seem to clearly not want one as they just don't seem to understand that the UK have left the EU.

 

As for Brexit farce. Since Boris has been PM we have had more clarity than ever than when TM was leading the negotiations. After all the people voted him and his party in by over an 80+ seat majority in the last GE.

 

You are not going against democracy are you.

This showed that most of the UK electorate are morons.  How can anyone beleieve anything that Boris says ?

 

[SteveB2]

Interesting...

 

"The EU, taken as a whole is the UK's largest trading partner. In 2019, UK exports to the EU were £294 billion (43% of all UK exports). UK imports from the EU were £374 billion (52% of all UK imports)"

Ref: https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-7851/ 

 

For those who have problems understanding math, this means the EU exports to the UK £120 billion pounds more than it imports.

 

Meaning that if the EU has to reverts to trading with the UK on WTO terms, the UK makes stands to make a massive windfall profit from the import duties caused by the trade imbalance. 

 

No wonder this whole Brexit conundrum is being dragged out as long as possible with futile negotiations - the import duties the EU has saved paying the UK over the last 4 years of trade imbalance easily run into tens of billions of pounds...

[PETERTHEEATER]

5 hours ago, Natai Beach said:

 

I am surprised Boris hasn’t got it done already.

He seems like such a competent, sensible and intelligent man. He is doing a superb job with covid, he said so himself.

 

Bad for the expat Brits, your pound won’t be worth much after this.

 

I think that's a photograph taken when he won a First at Crufts.

[bkkcanuck8]

5 hours ago, scammed said:

you are right, the market will adjust,

and the net result is higher cost for goods, and then either higher taxes, or, more likely, a devaluation of the pound

to make english goods more competitive on the market

Devaluation of the currency will only provide more of a competitive advantage when it comes to wages, but then the UK even with the devalued pound is not going to be highly competitive on the international wage front.  (I can see the UK sales pitch now: UK, the new Vietnam.... our workers are cheap because our currency is <deleted>).   Of course, those workers will push for higher wages to cover the increased cost of most of the products they buy... including a lot of the basics.

 

Products that are manufactured, have all sorts of inputs imported from other countries and these will increase in cost.  The valuation of UK companies will drop, and foreign companies increase as a result... which often leads to an increase in foreign takeovers and a reduction of UK companies from taking over the now more expensive foreign companies.  WTO rules won't be very helpful when it comes to services - and 80% of the UK economy is in services.

 

 

[bkkcanuck8]

8 minutes ago, SteveB2 said:

Interesting...

 

"The EU, taken as a whole is the UK's largest trading partner. In 2019, UK exports to the EU were £294 billion (43% of all UK exports). UK imports from the EU were £374 billion (52% of all UK imports)"

Ref: https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-7851/ 

 

For those who have problems understanding math, this means the EU exports to the UK £120 billion pounds more than it imports.

 

Meaning that if the EU has to reverts to trading with the UK on WTO terms, the UK makes stands to make a massive windfall profit from the import duties caused by the trade imbalance. 

 

No wonder this whole Brexit conundrum is being dragged out as long as possible with futile negotiations - the import duties the EU has saved paying the UK over the last 4 years of trade imbalance easily run into tens of billions of pounds...

Another sales pitch.... Brexit is great for you because we make much more money taxing our consumers.... (tariffs are taxes on consumers)

[NeoDinosaw]

5 hours ago, petermik said:

Bye bye to our ex European partners let us hope your arms are long enough to dig deep into your pockets to fill the very large hole our contributions made....we voted out..we want out

37.33% of the electorate vote to leave

[NeoDinosaw]

4 hours ago, deadbeat said:

Roll on Dec 31,

Free at last, Free at last, Thank the Lord almighty, we're free at last.

And I dont care how much it costs. 

you are a very stupid and selfish person. The cost is going to be enormous

[2530Ubon]

I thought to myself, at least tomorrow will be the last brexit thread we'll see for a while. Then I remembered that there will be so many popping up due to a no deal - there will be squabbles over every little thing with threads coming fast and thick over which aspects are better / more difficult. The news forum is gonna become the Brexit fallout forum. 

Sigh.

[vinny41]

12 minutes ago, NeoDinosaw said:

37.33% of the electorate vote to leave

And 34.73% of the electorate  voted to Remain 

[RuamRudy]

2 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

And 34.73% of the electorate  voted to Remain 

 

And yet another way to look at it - 62.67% of the population did not back Brexit in 2016. Now, I suspect that value to be higher. 

[Rookiescot]

6 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Firstly, I will correct you. it is British goods. As it would appear you are missing 3 countries who are part of the union that you overtly missed out.

 

Secondly, it will kick start British consumerism which is needed in every country.  Buy British.

 

As the world is a huge place and the EU will not be able to control what we sell and who too. We will be more competitive. All great stuff.

 

I think people will cope with Cheshire, Gloucestershire and other British Cheeses over brie.  As for drink, Proseco is overrated and French wine isn't worth putting on chips in my opinion.

 

There is a bright future ahead for the UK. As for the EU, I wouldn't say it is bright at all. The cracks are only just starting.

 

 

Buy British?

And you accuse the EU of being a protectionist racket ????

Yes we will stride like a trading colossus selling our cheese and <deleted> wine to people who were already buying our cheese and <deleted> wine.

New developing markets where people dont eat cheese or drink <deleted> wine not so much.