Trump's conspiracies pose 'existential' threat to electronic voting industry -Smartmatic

[khunjeff]

2 hours ago, Credo said:

You do know that every vote is done on a paper ballot, don't you?  The paper ballots are then fed into the tabulating machines.  When they do a hand recount, it is of the paper ballots.   

 

Unfortunately, that's not true. Although the percentage of votes cast using electronic machines that have no paper trail has shrunk quite a bit over the last 20 years, it is not yet zero: https://www.govtech.com/elections/Despite-Risks-Some-States-Still-Use-Paperless-Voting-Machines.html

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Should we call Joe Biden President-elect, yet? Or will we still be offending the tender sensibilities of some Trump supporters?

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

8 minutes ago, khunjeff said:

 

Unfortunately, that's not true. Although the percentage of votes cast using electronic machines that have no paper trail has shrunk quite a bit over the last 20 years, it is not yet zero: https://www.govtech.com/elections/Despite-Risks-Some-States-Still-Use-Paperless-Voting-Machines.html

 

 

Interesting... from your linked article:

 

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Today, counties in Texas, Tennessee, Louisiana, Mississippi, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, and New Jersey are still exclusively using paperless machines, also called direct recording electronic systems (DREs).

 

Which political party runs most of those states and which presidential candidate did most of those states favor in the recent presidential election?

 

Anyone else hear Republican "voter fraud" hypocrisy talking here???

 

And it gets even better... Attention, paging under federal investigation Texas Atty Gen. (and Trump voting fraud shill) Ken Paxton:

 

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Texas is the state that has the most paperless equipment. In Texas, paperless equipment probably represents a third of the total voters within the state," Tisler said. 

These machines linger on in counties because officials do not typically have the money to replace them, he said. 

 

 

Edited December 15, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[billd766]

5 hours ago, Sujo said:

I dont recall having to provide id when i withdraw my money.

I do, if I am drawing more than the daily limit at the ATM, using the desk tellers inside the bank.

[Lacessit]

10 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Should we call Joe Biden President-elect, yet? Or will we still be offending the tender sensibilities of some Trump supporters?

I'm not worried about the tender sensibilities of Trump supporters, except perhaps when they are toting assault rifles in defense of their version of democracy.

[billd766]

4 hours ago, vandeventer said:

In a perfect world why can't we just do the election all over again with no mail in ballets except for those living over seas and the military, and nursing homes. Also hand ballets would add time but less problems in the end. And than if Joe Biden wins we must all have to except it, and move on.

And who will be paying for an electoral rerun?

 

You? The GOP? Trump?

 

BTW Joe Biden has officially won the election when the Electoral College released their results yesterday (Monday 14 December 2020).

[nauseus]

5 hours ago, Sujo said:

I dont recall having to provide id when i withdraw my money.

Change banks.

[herfiehandbag]

7 hours ago, webfact said:

Conspiracy theories alleging that voting machines were used to steal the election from President Donald Trump pose a major threat to the worldwide market for electronic voting systems, the CEO of Smartmatic, a leading provider of such systems, told Reuters.

They may be an existential threat to his business, but they are (far more worrying) an existential threat to American democracy, and therefore a threat to the fragile progression of democracy worldwide!

[robblok]

3 hours ago, Credo said:

You do know that every vote is done on a paper ballot, don't you?  The paper ballots are then fed into the tabulating machines.  When they do a hand recount, it is of the paper ballots.   

 

Question (and I am anti Trump just not enough knowledge here about voting in the US)

 

How do they counter people voting with other peoples ballots ? and how do they make sure there are not more ballots out there then voters. 

 

Are there serial numbers on ballots or something ? (of course not connected to an ID of a person)

[Blue Muton]

6 hours ago, simple1 said:

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Biden has won the election - confirmed by the Electoral College - move along - trump's conspiracy stuff to try and steal the election is passé and exceedingly boring.

Yes, his conspiracy nonsense is boring, but it's also damaging, toxic and treasonous, unfortunately I believe it will leave a stench for quite some time.

[nauseus]

1 minute ago, Blue Muton said:

Yes, his conspiracy nonsense is boring, but it's also damaging, toxic and treasonous, unfortunately I believe it will leave a stench for quite some time.

 

Such a shame that all this nonsense hasn't been completely disproven in the courts, then the smell might go away very quickly.

[Blue Muton]

27 minutes ago, billd766 said:

I do, if I am drawing more than the daily limit at the ATM, using the desk tellers inside the bank.

But this thread isn't about bank tellers so your above statement is completely irrelevant to the discussion. Oooh look, there's a unicorn.

[onthedarkside]

A derogatory name calling post has been removed.

 

[Blue Muton]

Just now, nauseus said:

 

Such a shame that all this nonsense hasn't been completely disproven in the courts, then the smell might go away very quickly.

It has, around sixty times. How did you miss it (or rather why have you chosen to pretend otherwise)?

[Sujo]

25 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Change banks.

No use, none of them require id when withdrawing. I just put the card in and out the money comes.

 

Bit like voting. You prove who you are when registering. 

Edited December 15, 2020 by Sujo

[nauseus]

2 minutes ago, Blue Muton said:

It has, around sixty times. How did you miss it (or rather why have you chosen to pretend otherwise)?

 

I don't remember any of these getting as far as a trial with evidence presented and argued. But I could be wrong, of course.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

3 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

Such a shame that all this nonsense hasn't been completely disproven in the courts, then the smell might go away very quickly.

 

Ohh... but it has been ... over and over and over again, including by Trump's own court appointees. You're just not listening.

 

Just one example among many:

 

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-donald-trump-pennsylvania-elections-philadelphia-d9c96c4593ec278f3b1d4bc564068df6

 

Appeals court rejects Trump challenge of Pennsylvania race

...

“Free, fair elections are the lifeblood of our democracy. Charges of unfairness are serious. But calling an election unfair does not make it so. Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here,” 3rd Circuit Judge Stephanos Bibas, a Trump appointee, wrote for the three-judge panel, all appointed by Republican presidents.

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“Voters, not lawyers, choose the president. Ballots, not briefs, decide elections,” Bibas said in the opinion, which also denied the campaign’s request to stop the state from certifying its results, a demand he called “breathtaking.”

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U.S. District Judge Matthew Brann, another Republican, had said the campaign’s error-filled complaint, “like Frankenstein’s Monster, has been haphazardly stitched together” and denied Giuliani the right to amend it for a second time.

[nauseus]

2 minutes ago, Sujo said:

No use, none of them require id when withdrawing. I just put the card in and out the money comes.

 

Bit like voting. You prove who you are when registering. 

 

So it's OK for me to just forget my PIN numbers then? What a relief.

[Sujo]

6 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

Such a shame that all this nonsense hasn't been completely disproven in the courts, then the smell might go away very quickly.

It is not the role of courts to disprove anything. It is up to the applicant to prove their case, which they failed to do.

[stevenl]

4 hours ago, vandeventer said:

In a perfect world why can't we just do the election all over again with no mail in ballets except for those living over seas and the military, and nursing homes. Also hand ballets would add time but less problems in the end. And than if Joe Biden wins we must all have to except it, and move on.

Why do you consider ignoring a democratic vote a perfect world?

[Blue Muton]

Just now, nauseus said:

 

I don't remember any of these getting as far as a trial with evidence presented and argued. But I could be wrong, of course.

You are wrong about the "not going to trial" bit. As for evidence (of massive fraud), there isn't any because it did not happen.

[Sujo]

Just now, nauseus said:

 

So it's OK for me to just forget my PIN numbers then? What a relief.

Why would you want to do a stupid thing like that. You prove who you are when registering.

[stevenl]

3 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

I don't remember any of these getting as far as a trial with evidence presented and argued. But I could be wrong, of course.

True, evidence has not been presented. Because there is none to be presented.

[nauseus]

3 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Ohh... but it has been ... over and over and over again, including by Trump's own court appointees. You're just not listening.

 

Just one example among many:

 

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-donald-trump-pennsylvania-elections-philadelphia-d9c96c4593ec278f3b1d4bc564068df6

 

Appeals court rejects Trump challenge of Pennsylvania race

...

“Free, fair elections are the lifeblood of our democracy. Charges of unfairness are serious. But calling an election unfair does not make it so. Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here,” 3rd Circuit Judge Stephanos Bibas, a Trump appointee, wrote for the three-judge panel, all appointed by Republican presidents.

...

“Voters, not lawyers, choose the president. Ballots, not briefs, decide elections,” Bibas said in the opinion, which also denied the campaign’s request to stop the state from certifying its results, a demand he called “breathtaking.”

...

U.S. District Judge Matthew Brann, another Republican, had said the campaign’s error-filled complaint, “like Frankenstein’s Monster, has been haphazardly stitched together” and denied Giuliani the right to amend it for a second time.

 

Nothing has gone to trial. You're just not listening.

[Blue Muton]

2 minutes ago, Blue Muton said:

You are wrong about the "not going to trial" bit. As for evidence (of massive fraud), there isn't any because it did not happen.

@TopDeadSenter Why are you sad that there was no massive fraud, would you be happy if there was?

[spidermike007]

I think it would be safe to say Trump poses an existential threat to humanity. His recklessness, his conspiracies, his narcissism, and his blatant disregard for law and order are dangerous. At least they were, before he was banished. 

[Sujo]

3 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

I don't remember any of these getting as far as a trial with evidence presented and argued. But I could be wrong, of course.

Perhaps ask yourself why 60 cases never got to trial.

 

even the 2 justices of scotus who thought the case should be heard said even if heard they would dismiss it.

[nauseus]

Just now, spidermike007 said:

I think it would be safe to say Trump poses an existential threat to humanity. His recklessness, his conspiracies, his narcissism, and his blatant disregard for law and order are dangerous. At least they were, before he was banished. 

 

Probably not so safe to say that in Alabama.

[welovesundaysatspace]

9 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

Such a shame that all this nonsense hasn't been completely disproven in the courts

It has. As you correctly remember, there wasn’t even enough evidence for the courts to have a trial: 

3 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

I don't remember any of these getting as far as a trial with evidence presented and argued.

Stronger refutal is hardly possible. 
 

[nauseus]

1 minute ago, Sujo said:

Perhaps ask yourself why 60 cases never got to trial.

 

even the 2 justices of scotus who thought the case should be heard said even if heard they would dismiss it.

 

I have been wondering, I must admit.