Permanent Residency - House Registration

[Thaivisa2006]

Hi,

 

First of all, sorry if this topic has come up already in the past, but I could not find the answer I need while searching the forum. If I overlooked it, please be so kind and refer me to the topic with a link. Thank you.

 

I applied for my Permanent Residency (PR) in Thailand last year and the process is almost completed. I received a message from my immigration case officer to prepare the last documents, which includes also a "house registration and checking the name of the local police station which jurisdiction your home is?" original and copy.

I talked already to colleagues who got their PR and they explained to me that I have to sign in to a friends house / condo (“Tabien Baan”) who owns a property. I do not own a property myself,  I am renting. I asked some of my close friends if they can sign me into their house registration, but they do not own a property either or the property they live in is not on their own name so they cannot help me with that. I cannot ask them to approach their family to sign me in, that would be too much to ask for. Has anybody experience with such a house registration and can advise me what to do in case I do not own a property and have no friends who can sign me into theirs. I hope there is a solution to this, and no, I do not plan to buy a property just for that ????

 

Many thanks in advance!

[jackdd]

Tell your landlord to register you in the house book where you are staying, this is how it's supposed to work

[ubonjoe]

14 minutes ago, jackdd said:

Tell your landlord to register you in the house book where you are staying, this is how it's supposed to work

That cannot be done until the certificate of residence is issued.

 

[ubonjoe]

32 minutes ago, Thaivisa2006 said:

received a message from my immigration case officer to prepare the last documents, which includes also a "house registration and checking the name of the local police station which jurisdiction your home is?"

They only want the copies the house book that you will be registered in after the residence certificate is issued.

I think they want that info to do a letter or such requesting that the Amphoe to add you to that house book. About the same for the police station where you will be registered at and get the red book issued.

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[4MyEgo]

Just out of interest, what does one get for their 191,400 baht "investment" apart from PR ?

 

Doing the calculations, if one is not married, which I believe is the case here, they pay the above, now if one were to do a retirement extension annually, they could do that for the next 100 years to equal the above amount.

 

Just curious as 191,400 baht is nothing to scoff at.

[Neeranam]

6 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

Just out of interest, what does one get for their 191,400 baht "investment" apart from PR ?

 

Doing the calculations, if one is not married, which I believe is the case here, they pay the above, now if one were to do a retirement extension annually, they could do that for the next 100 years to equal the above amount.

 

Just curious as 191,400 baht is nothing to scoff at.

It is the first step to Citizenship, which has many benefits.

 

I agree that PR itself is not worth the money. 

[ubonjoe]

4 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

Just out of interest, what does one get for their 191,400 baht "investment" apart from PR ?

There are many advantages. One is never having to deal with immigration for extensions of stay, 90 day reports, TM30 reports and etc. Even being registered in a blue house book is an advantage that eliminates any need for proof of address other than a signed copy of the registry.

[Pilotman]

7 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

It is the first step to Citizenship, which has many benefits.

 

I agree that PR itself is not worth the money. 

well its a damn sight more logical than an Elite Visa where your 'investment is limited in time and lost. 

[Pilotman]

where do you find the requirements for PR please?   I have looked on the websites, but can't find it

[4MyEgo]

10 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

There are many advantages. One is never having to deal with immigration for extensions of stay, 90 day reports, TM30 reports and etc. Even being registered in a blue house book is an advantage that eliminates any need for proof of address other than a signed copy of the registry.

 

I suppose one would have to weigh it all up, immigration for me is a once a year event which is manageable as the wife does most of it. The 90 days online is now pretty straight forward for me, 3 in a row, so far so good, and I suppose one has to consider how many years they have left to breath in this earth. 

 

The way I look at it, 10 years at best, so that's 19,400 baht a year going down the path of the PR, slightly cheaper than an Elite visa, but no doubt more bang for your baht, but for me, I will stick with the 1,900 baht annual fee which would leave me some spare change for a few drinks and other enjoyments before I exit this life as we can't take anything with us, might as well enjoy as much of it as we can ???? 

[ubonjoe]

7 minutes ago, Pilotman said:

where do you find the requirements for PR please?   I have looked on the websites, but can't find it

This from immigration. Permanent Residency Requirements June 2019.pdf

[ubonjoe]

4 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

The way I look at it, 10 years at best, so that's 19,400 baht a year going down the path of the PR, slightly cheaper than an Elite visa, but no doubt more bang for your baht, but for me, I will stick with the 1,900 baht annual fee

You are using the fee for PR if working and not married to a Thai. If working the benefits are much more since the requirements for an extension based upon working is more difficult and require a lot more paperwork than one based upon marriage. Even getting a work permit it is easier as well.

[BKKBike09]

44 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

Just out of interest, what does one get for their 191,400 baht "investment" apart from PR ?

 

Doing the calculations, if one is not married, which I believe is the case here, they pay the above, now if one were to do a retirement extension annually, they could do that for the next 100 years to equal the above amount.

 

Just curious as 191,400 baht is nothing to scoff at.

It's like insurance. You may bemoan paying good money for something that you 'never use' - until you have a major accident, get sick etc.

 

I think PR is great. Sure, it's expensive (you cite the single person fee; married is half that) but once you have it, wave goodbye to all the immigration hassles ... keep as much or as little money in the bank here as you like ... lose your job, no worry that you'll have to leave in 7 days and scramble for a new visa ... 

 

I met someone a few weeks back who had been working here legally for years, making good money, paying tax (the key requirement to get PR) and then got laid off. He told me how much he regretted not having applied for PR when he was eligible.

[jackdd]

25 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

I suppose one would have to weigh it all up, immigration for me is a once a year event which is manageable as the wife does most of it. The 90 days online is now pretty straight forward for me, 3 in a row, so far so good, and I suppose one has to consider how many years they have left to breath in this earth. 

The main advantage is that you can plan the rest of your life without having to worry about changing requirements.

What if next year immigration says that money in the bank is no longer acceptable, and for a marriage extension you need to show 65k income per month? Then many people here would be forced to leave, if they had PR this would be of no concern to them.

[Thaivisa2006]

4 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:

 

 

...if one were to do a retirement extension annually, they could do that for the next 100 years to equal the above amount.

 

Just curious as 191,400 baht is nothing to scoff at.

 

I am far, far away from my retirement with just 35. So for me it´s a security thing if I would ever lose my job, then I can stay.  There were actually several people in my company who got laid off due to COVID the last 2 month. They gave them a few days to leave the country as the visa got terminated and they can not even come back again as the country is still not widely open for "tourists". That´s not a situation one wishes to be in, especially if you have social reasons to stay here. 

An alternative would be Thai Elite, but 500k for 5 years, compared to that a PR, which is valid for a lifetime, is a bargain.
Who knows, maybe I want to become Thai one day...????

 

However, this thread was not meant to become a pro / cons PR discussion as this has been widely discussed in the past.

 

Would appreciate to get back to the original topic of this thread please.

Edited December 16, 2020 by Thaivisa2006

[Thaivisa2006]

4 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

They only want the copies the house book that you will be registered in after the residence certificate is issued.

I think they want that info to do a letter or such requesting that the Amphoe to add you to that house book. About the same for the police station where you will be registered at and get the red book issued.

.

 

 

Does that mean I ask my landlord for the house book and a copy of the same and bring it to the immigration? Then they issue me a letter to get into that house certification and later on I can get signed into my landlords house book?

[4MyEgo]

27 minutes ago, Thaivisa2006 said:

However, this thread was not meant to become a pro / cons PR discussion as this has been widely discussed in the past.

 

Regardless, I have learnt something now on PR's, didn't know you had to be working to qualify to get one, and it does make sense for security, especially if you well under the retirement age and not wanting to fork out 3 times as much for the Elite visa, again with no real security, a no brainer.

 

Good luck.

[ubonjoe]

17 minutes ago, Thaivisa2006 said:

Does that mean I ask my landlord for the house book and a copy of the same and bring it to the immigration?

Yes and have your landlord sign the copy. Als oyou need find out which police station has jurisdiction over where you live.

When they issue certificate of residency is when they may give you a letter to be registered in owners house book.

 

[Thaivisa2006]

On 12/16/2020 at 2:52 PM, ubonjoe said:

Yes and have your landlord sign the copy. Als oyou need find out which police station has jurisdiction over where you live.

When they issue certificate of residency is when they may give you a letter to be registered in owners house book.

 

 

So may I put the process together, could you confirm this is correct?

1. I go to immigration with the documents in original and signed copy (passport, work permit, house registration book) and and they issue me a letter
2. I go to police station in my jurisdiction with the house book and signed copy of house book.
3. police issues me an alien book.
4. i go with alien book and letter from immigration to the local district office
5. local district office will add me to the tambien baan (aka house registration book)
6. local district office issues me pink ID card
7. I go back to immigration with everything (alien book, pink ID card, house registration)
8. Then immigration confirms me as PR

 

Is that correct?

 

Would my landlord have to be present for any of these steps? Or can I do all those alone?

[rimmae2]

42 minutes ago, Thaivisa2006 said:

 

So may I put the process together, could you confirm this is correct?

1. I go to immigration with the documents in original and signed copy (passport, work permit, house registration book) and and they issue me a letter
2. I go to police station in my jurisdiction with the house book and signed copy of house book.
3. police issues me an alien book.
4. i go with alien book and letter from immigration to the local district office
5. local district office will add me to the tambien baan (aka house registration book)
6. local district office issues me pink ID card
7. I go back to immigration with everything (alien book, pink ID card, house registration)
8. Then immigration confirms me as PR

 

Is that correct?

 

Would my landlord have to be present for any of these steps? Or can I do all those alone?

PR is obtained at 1.

 

It might be a good idea to visit Immigration especially if your landlord is being difficult and someone from Immigration may speak to your landlord if necessary.

 

As I recall the stage that you are at now has a time period in the document that you have received.

[smutcakes]

On 12/16/2020 at 10:49 AM, BKKBike09 said:

It's like insurance. You may bemoan paying good money for something that you 'never use' - until you have a major accident, get sick etc.

 

I think PR is great. Sure, it's expensive (you cite the single person fee; married is half that) but once you have it, wave goodbye to all the immigration hassles ... keep as much or as little money in the bank here as you like ... lose your job, no worry that you'll have to leave in 7 days and scramble for a new visa ... 

 

I met someone a few weeks back who had been working here legally for years, making good money, paying tax (the key requirement to get PR) and then got laid off. He told me how much he regretted not having applied for PR when he was eligible.

 

This is the exact reason i did it. I am nowhere near retirement age and with Covid whose to say what job losses might be coming in the next year or so. If i lost my job other than the elite visa i would have all kind of hassles to stay. I submitted last December and already have the PR, nearly a year to the day since the 1st submission. A weight off the mind, knowing that i could lose the job and just kick back and relax until things calm down and then enter the job market again or find something else to do.

 

Essentially i never have to ever worry about visas again- money well spent in my opinion.