European neighbours shut doors to Britain amid alarm over new coronavirus strain

[david555]

1 minute ago, Nout said:

They control their borders in numbers of ways and fight crime but not in the area of illegal immigration to the UK. They export illegals to the UK and shrug it off.

Exporting ?? 

Well, any illegal by a confrontation with police  mostly get a paper order to leave the country in x time , with prohibition forbidding to go to any other Schengen member country ....  (U.K. is not Schengen   lol) 

 

leaving by sea  makes them only breaking customs control and maybe some other minor rules  

[Nout]

3 minutes ago, david555 said:

Exporting ?? 

Well, any illegal by a confrontation with police  mostly get a paper order to leave the country in x time , with prohibition forbidding to go to any other Schengen member country ....  (U.K. is not Schengen   lol) 

 

leaving by sea  makes them only breaking customs control and maybe some other minor rules  

You appear to be an apologist for illegal immigrants, people traffickers and French corruption.

[Hi from France]

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France expected to drop freight ban in coming hours as Boris Johnson holds Cobra meeting

Good thing Boris Johnson holds Cobra meeting, at the beginning of the pandemic, he skipped 5-6 Cobra meetings in a row, considering he had other things to do. 

 

50.000 dead now and the good news is that Boris Johnson now attends Cobra meetings. 

 

Now the news of the moment 

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French transport minister Jean-Baptiste Djebbari said that a "solid health protocol” will be put in place in the coming hours to "ensure that movement from the UK" can be reinstated. 

 

Now that will probably not stop the tabloids hatred for a second. 

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/12/21/politics-latest-news-boris-johnson-hold-cobra-meeting-france/

[david555]

5 minutes ago, Nout said:

You appear to be an apologist for illegal immigrants, people traffickers and French corruption.

No , but that is their legal obligation (mostly not followed , and many have several of those orders to leave ...)

and sad enough sometimes very hard to applicate on them , as you had in U.K. with example that Muslim cleric took years to deport him .... forgot ?

Edited December 21, 2020 by david555

[candide]

1 hour ago, ukrules said:

 

This same strain has been seen before, in the Netherlands, Denmark and Australia according to these https://www.bbc.com/news/world-55382212

 

I agree with your sentiment - why did we allow it to be imported into the UK? Only now it seems to be a problem, no problem in Netherlands and Denmark, that's weird.

The linked article does not state it has been seen " before" in the Netherlands, etc...

[stevenl]

7 minutes ago, candide said:

The linked article does not state it has been seen " before" in the Netherlands, etc...

It does state the same variant was seen earlier this month. But it doesn't state the strain was there in September already.

[ukrules]

50 minutes ago, candide said:

The linked article does not state it has been seen " before" in the Netherlands, etc...

This is what it says :

 

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Along with the UK, the same mutation of the Covid-19 virus has also been detected in the Netherlands, Denmark and Australia, the WHO told the BBC.

 

[welovesundaysatspace]

1 hour ago, Nout said:

They export illegals to the UK and shrug it off.

You can only export when someone is importing it, so if it’s the case what you’re claiming, you better complain with your government. 

[candide]

31 minutes ago, ukrules said:

This is what it says :

 

 

"Also" is not the same as "before". The article doesn't support your assertion ("why did we allow it to be imported into the UK? ").

[dunroaming]

So Johnson has ruled out an extension. Does that mean no deal?  Confused?  Well you should be because just about all of his government are.  Is it time to call in the men in the white coats?

[Opl]

2 hours ago, Nout said:

You appear to be an apologist for illegal immigrants, people traffickers and French corruption.

What do you mean by " French corruption"?

These illegal migrants want a better life in the UK, and nowhere else, coming from nations knowing what " Commonwealth" relates to.  

 

[vinny41]

Could the transition period be extended?

The transition period was designed to preserve current arrangements temporarily and avoid disruption, to allow for negotiations.

But there is no legal basis for extending it.

It's part of an international treaty, the Brexit withdrawal agreement, that said any extension would have to be agreed before 1 July 2020.

https://www.bbc.com/news/55321742

 

Can we assume the people asking for an extension are suggesting that the withdrawal agreement should be ripped up and start again

[welovesundaysatspace]

 

30 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Can we assume the people asking for an extension are suggesting that the withdrawal agreement should be ripped up and start again

Isn’t that what the UK is known for these days? 
 

Anyway, you don’t have to rip up the withdrawal agreement. You can just make a new agreement. 

[vinny41]

14 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

 

Isn’t that what the UK is known for these days? 
 

Anyway, you don’t have to rip up the withdrawal agreement. You can just make a new agreement. 

Both sides would have to agree to a new agreement and the laws amended in Both the UK and the EU

[katana]

This must be the first new virus strain that has come out of London instead of Asia, wow...

[Hi from France]

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EU's €750bn could have helped Britain with Covid, says French commissioner

Yeah we would have indeed. 

 

Now solidarity should go both ways. That's the trouble: if the situation is reversed, there is very little to expect from the present nationalist - populist British government. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/21/uk-in-covid-freight-ban-talks-with-france-as-cobra-set-to-meet-over-crisis

[katana]

25 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

...there is very little to expect from the present nationalist - populist British government. 

What's wrong with a government being populist and carrying out the will of the people? You don't believe in democracy?

[welovesundaysatspace]

1 hour ago, vinny41 said:

Both sides would have to agree to a new agreement and the laws amended in Both the UK and the EU

I guess you are right. Not sure whether that’s possible in the time left. 

[Scott]

Off-topic, troll post with a meme has been removed along with another off-topic post.   You can drop the graphics and memes from a post unless they are directly associated to the topic.  

 

[nkg]

Opened this story expecting to see everyone talking about Brexit instead of covid.

 

I wasn't disappointed ????

Edited December 21, 2020 by nkg

[rumak]

33 minutes ago, nkg said:

Opened this story expecting to see everyone talking about Brexit instead of covid.

 

I wasn't disappointed ????

Not being Englit  I read the posts trying to find some examples of the famed Englit "dry wit" .    I was disappointed.

On the bright side,  i hear (from unanamed sauces)  that the first 10 thousand countrymen to submit to "the vaccine"  will receive a coupon good for one year's worth of free dental care.

 

[david555]

Macron refuses to lift blockade: Eurotunnel to bring 2000 lorries to UK but take NONE out | UK | News | Express.co.uk

[Hi from France]

3 hours ago, david555 said:

 Express.co.uk

 

Ever tried reading something else than idiotic tabloids? 

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France to reopen UK border for French and lorry drivers, reports say

 

[david555]

12 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

 

Ever tried reading something else than idiotic tabloids? 

 

yes , but you have to read this one (Express...) with caution , but must admit most based on rumors but  very quick "latest rumors " then colored at "influence " ....., must analyze and see thru it ...????

The very dry statistic stuff i leave to others  ....

 

The " enemy readings " (tongue in cheek ) interest  me.... ???? 555

Edited December 22, 2020 by david555

[Hi from France]

Tried to get better info from the Guardian

 

Good thing from the EU, it seems like a we are setting up a coordinated sanitary response to get things working again 

 

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The EU is drawing up a coordinated plan to lift travel restrictions from the UK, 

 

 

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Officials from the EU’s 27 member states attending a three-hour meeting on Monday were briefed by the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control on the health situation in the UK.

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They agreed that the priority was keeping the EU’s own Schengen travel zone open and “repatriating citizens and legal residents wishing to return from the UK”, an EU diplomat said. The European commission has been ordered to draw up guidelines for national governments.

 

 

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/21/uk-in-covid-freight-ban-talks-with-france-as-cobra-set-to-meet-over-crisis

 

Ironically Johnson called Macron instead of the EU (I do not know how much Macron recovered yet BTW). He probably didn't call the French "little turds" this time ????

 

What BJ said:

“I want to stress that we in the UK fully understand the anxieties of our friends about Covid, their anxieties about the new variant, but it is also true that we believe the risks of transmission by a solitary driver sitting alone in the cab are really very low.

 

“And so we hope to make progress as fast as we possibly can. I want to repeat that these delays only apply to a very small percentage of food entering the UK, and, as British supermarkets have said, their supply chains are strong and robust, so everyone can continue to shop normally.”

 

 

 

Edited December 22, 2020 by Hi from France

[Hi from France]

The European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (ECDC) is set in Stockholm, Sweden 

 

 

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an agency of the European Union (EU) whose mission is to strengthen Europe's defences against infectious diseases. It covers a wide spectrum of activities, such as: surveillance, epidemic intelligence, response, scientific advice, microbiology, preparedness, public health training, international relations, health communication, and the scientific journal Eurosurveillance.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Centre_for_Disease_Prevention_and_Control

Annual budget = €57 million EUR, not much but this is probably going to skyrocket 

 

In the USA the CDC has a budget of $11bn, slashed by Trump in recent years 

 

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Edited December 22, 2020 by Hi from France

[Baerboxer]

On 12/21/2020 at 5:45 AM, Hi from France said:

another interesting thing to follow : maybe this time we'll getter a better coordonation

 

although this won't stop the new strain, we can hope to slow it down during the vaccine roll-out

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/20/belgium-italy-and-netherlands-ban-flights-from-uk-over-new-covid-strain

 

So will France be shutting it's borders to all travelers from Denmark, the Netherlands and Australia too?

[Baerboxer]

On 12/21/2020 at 10:09 AM, welovesundaysatspace said:

This must be the dream of all Brexiteers; the clear-cut Brexit they wished for. 

 

Still swigging down the Kool Aid then.

[Baerboxer]

On 12/21/2020 at 10:42 AM, Sujo said:

All countries should ban everyone from US and UK until they come to their senses and face reality.

 

Don't you think other countries are experiencing problems with Covid, including variants? Do you think all the other countries are telling the truth? 

Edited December 23, 2020 by onthedarkside
personal flame removed

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, Baerboxer said:

 

So will France be shutting it's borders to all travelers from Denmark, the Netherlands and Australia too?

You don't see the difference between thousands of infections and one infection? South Africa had also been banned BTW, making the presumption on here 'due to us not folding for them on brexit' much more difficult to maintain.

 

It really is not difficult: there was news of thousands of infections due to a new strain. so people and therefor governments panicked and took ad-hoc measures.