One dead, two severely injured as man returns following fist fight to exact revenge

[webfact]

One dead, two severely injured as man returns following fist fight to exact revenge

 

Picture: Daily News

 

A 40 year old man was shot dead in a hail of bullets at a house in Pathum Thani north of Bangkok. Another man was hit in the abdomen by a stray bullet and a third was axed over the back of the head. Both these are in comas, reported Daily News.

 

Police including the provincial chief found bullet holes in the door and house supports of a bungalow in the Rattanakosin 200 Years housing estate. There were bloodstains around a stone table out front and evidence of 6 shots fired from 9mm and 11mm guns. 

 

Thawatchai or "Poo", 40, died in hospital after being shot in the head. 

 

Nawee, 39, is in a serious condition after being shot in the stomach.

 

Karuphon, 40, was axed on the nape of his neck as is also in a serious condition in hospital.

 

A woman called Chatrudee, 34, was slightly injured after falling in an effort to run away from the violence.

 

Picture: Daily News

 

A female witness said that she was at the house with her family along with a man called Nawee and his friends. They were all drinking.

 

She then said that around twenty men arrived in a pick-up and told them to stop. 

 

Thawatchai ran into the house to get away then the men said they would kill everyone if he didn't come out. They surrounded the house.

 

Karuphon was hit with the axe but Thawatchai refused to emerge. Before he exited the house he was shot in a hail of bullets by the door. One stray bullet hit Nawee.

 

The witness blamed a man called "Bird" who on Saturday night had argued with Thawatchai at the house. A fist fight developed and as Bird left in a pick-up he went into and damaged four motorcycles parked outside. 

 

It was Bird and his friends who returned next evening to seek revenge.

 

Police said there were at least seven men in the pick-up. 

 

Source: Daily News

 

 

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[2long]

Typical Thai 'male ego / can't lose' response.

Fighting (with) Thais :

If you lose, you lose.

If you win, you will eventually lose.

[Neeranam]

1 minute ago, 2long said:

Typical Thai 'male ego / can't lose' response.

Fighting (with) Thais :

If you lose, you lose.

If you win, you will eventually lose.

Not just Thai males. 'Face' is an Asian concept that most Westerners can't understand. 

'Face' is as important to Asians as Westerners' 'self'. Neither is better than the other, just different culture. 

[Bangyai]

15 hours ago, webfact said:

She then said that around twenty men arrived in a pick-up and told them to stop.

 

15 hours ago, webfact said:

Police said there were at least seven men in the pick-up.

 

Acute powers of observation a tad lacking it seems

[TSF]

"Karuphon was hit with the axe:...Jesus, that's fair dinkum. I was in my fair share of fights in my younger days but never considered using an axe.

[PatOngo]

Oh! The face!

[thenewgoo]

No doubt this Bird has flown the nest by now. No golden goose!

[metisdead]

An off topic post generalizing about violence in other countries has been removed. 

[varun]

5 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Not just Thai males. 'Face' is an Asian concept that most Westerners can't understand. 

'Face' is as important to Asians as Westerners' 'self'. Neither is better than the other, just different culture. 

Not really, Thai males, working-class Thai males in particular are a special breed altogether.

 

Fragile ego, small-willy syndrome and self-entitlement due to mollycoddling by Mommy are characteristically Thai male traits.

Throw a rich hi-so into the mix and you can add 'do-you know-who-i-am'  mentality to the list.

 

[CapeTown]

Dig two graves

[sammieuk1]

Around 20 men in a pickup is another accident waiting to happen ????Rip

[hotchilli]

6 hours ago, webfact said:

It was Bird and his friends who returned next evening to seek revenge.

Bird will be doing some bird soon... along with his mates.

[Neeranam]

35 minutes ago, varun said:

Not really, Thai males, working-class Thai males in particular are a special breed altogether.

 

Fragile ego, small-willy syndrome and self-entitlement due to mollycoddling by Mommy are characteristically Thai male traits.

Throw a rich hi-so into the mix and you can add 'do-you know-who-i-am'  mentality to the list.

 

Are you a member of Combat 8 or or the KKK? 

Unbelievable racism in you reply. 

 

 

[from the home of CC]

6 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Not just Thai males. 'Face' is an Asian concept that most Westerners can't understand. 

'Face' is as important to Asians as Westerners' 'self'. Neither is better than the other, just different culture. 

disagree. the 'Book of Face' that westerners live on is a mirror of that concept. People in the west have committed suicide after having received negative comments on their FB page. Many people worldwide base their worth on the opinions of others, imo it is not limited to the east..

[Pilotman]

6 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Not just Thai males. 'Face' is an Asian concept that most Westerners can't understand. 

'Face' is as important to Asians as Westerners' 'self'. Neither is better than the other, just different culture. 

'Face' is an excuse and a lame one at that.  Some Asians use it to cover up a multitude of things; stupidly, lack of social graces, lack of understanding, lack of interest, lack of intelligence, lack of education, lack of training. It's an excuse for being impolite and just plain idiotic. Don't ever get sucked in by the 'face' excuse. The  Asian airline that I worked for would never accept that 'face' was any kind of issue in management and personal interactions, by demanding the very best from its employees, regardless.  If they (we all) fxxxed up in any way, they (we) were dealt with and took the criticism, quite public sometimes,  as well as any westerner.  

Edited December 22, 2020 by Pilotman

[Neeranam]

1 minute ago, Pilotman said:

'Face' is an excuse and a lame one at that.  Some Asians use it to cover up a multitude of things; stupidly, lack of social graces, lack of understanding, lack of interest, lack of intelligence, lack of education, lack of training. It's an excuse for being impolite and just plain idiotic. Don't ever get sucked in by the 'face' excuse. The  Asian airline that I worked for would never accept that 'face' was any kind of issue in management and personal interactions, by demanding the very best from its employees, regardless.  If they (we all) fxxxed up in any way, they (we) were dealt with and took the criticism, quite public sometimes,  as well as any westerner.  

Interesting, as I said most Westerners just don't understand. I teach inter-cultural communication classes to business people around the world, including China, Thailand, Taiwan, Japan etc, as an example of 'direct communication', I use an air traffic controller, where lying to a pilot to save face never will happen. 

Indirect communication, including saving face, has many advantages over the other. I don't have time to list them all now, but there are many. 

Here's a snipped I copied, about face in Japan.

‘Western face’ is a more self-oriented and individualistic pride or ego, and is more about how one is viewed by others. ‘Japanese face’ is about how one treats others not about the self, and can be given or earned. It can be also taken away or lost.

As a general sociological statement, Western cultures tend to focus on the individual as an independent, self-reliant being. In raising children, the focus is on helping them develop a strong sense of personal integrity and individuality where misbehaviour is often blamed on lack of self-esteem.

In contrast, Japanese culture has downplayed the concept of the individual, instead emphasizing the supremacy of the family and group. It was all about bringing honour to your clan. With the emphasis on the collective, the sense of self blurred so much that it practically didn’t exist. In fact individualism was seen as immoral.

 

[PBXVS1100]

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

Are you a member of Combat 8 or or the KKK? 

Unbelievable racism in you reply. 

 

 

It’s combat 18 I believe. Unless the mma comp - combat 8 is racist. Combat 18 is or was a racist group of British origin and spread around a bit. 

[Nout]

1 hour ago, from the home of CC said:

disagree. the 'Book of Face' that westerners live on is a mirror of that concept. People in the west have committed suicide after having received negative comments on their FB page. Many people worldwide base their worth on the opinions of others, imo it is not limited to the east..

Indeed. A modern verbal lead up to a fight in UK is: 'Are you dissing me?' In London face and honor loss even via social media can and does lead to violence including killing.

[Natai Beach]

Most aspects of face is just about being polite and being considerate of others. It helps avoid more arguments/fights/ problems than what it causes. 
 

I would blame alcohol and testosterone more than “face” for this incident. Drunken fights with groups of blokes happen all over the world. Some with fists, some with weapons.
Some farangs overthink the “Thai face” theme. 

[thecyclist]

9 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Not just Thai males. 'Face' is an Asian concept that most Westerners can't understand. 

'Face' is as important to Asians as Westerners' 'self'. Neither is better than the other, just different culture. 

Nope. The Thais absolutely take the cake in the 'face facing' department. The slightest loss of face often leads to extreme violence. Rarely happens in other Asian countries, certainly not with such viciousness and unmitigated malice. 

[Pique Dard]

yet many thais say " farang got angry very quick"

[bill014]

I cannot understand why members are talking about Western attitudes and egos. These have nothing to do with the above story. It is the simple truth that Thais are weak individuals who cannot face being beaten or shown up and always resort to weapons or overwheming numbers to get the upper hand. It is not racist, as Neeranam seems to think, to state the truth about this, and I fail to see what Combat 18 or the KKK have to do with this at all!

[Prairieboy]

20 hours ago, webfact said:

She then said that around twenty men arrived in a pick-up and told them to stop. 

 

20 hours ago, webfact said:

Police said there were at least seven men in the pick-up. 

Seems to be a large discrepancy!

[Sir Dude]

All the cops need to do is go round Bird's (silly name for a guy) mommy's house and he'll be there.

Edited December 23, 2020 by Sir Dude

[moe666]

23 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Not just Thai males. 'Face' is an Asian concept that most Westerners can't understand. 

'Face' is as important to Asians as Westerners' 'self'. Neither is better than the other, just different culture. 

In the west it is called pride. Have you no pride letting him hit you. Same same but different.

[BigC]

this could have been settled in the ring. no one arrested  no one dead. end of story

 

or 1 on 1 in a circle of friends 

 

shame. why his friends  help him commit murder over a fist fight?

 

probably more to it like most stories

[KannikaP]

On 12/22/2020 at 11:02 AM, webfact said:

One dead, two severely injured as man returns following fist fight to exact revenge

 

Picture: Daily News

 

A 40 year old man was shot dead in a hail of bullets at a house in Pathum Thani north of Bangkok. Another man was hit in the abdomen by a stray bullet and a third was axed over the back of the head. Both these are in comas, reported Daily News.

 

Police including the provincial chief found bullet holes in the door and house supports of a bungalow in the Rattanakosin 200 Years housing estate. There were bloodstains around a stone table out front and evidence of 6 shots fired from 9mm and 11mm guns. 

 

Thawatchai or "Poo", 40, died in hospital after being shot in the head. 

 

Nawee, 39, is in a serious condition after being shot in the stomach.

 

Karuphon, 40, was axed on the nape of his neck as is also in a serious condition in hospital.

 

A woman called Chatrudee, 34, was slightly injured after falling in an effort to run away from the violence.

 

Picture: Daily News

 

A female witness said that she was at the house with her family along with a man called Nawee and his friends. They were all drinking.

 

She then said that around twenty men arrived in a pick-up and told them to stop. 

 

Thawatchai ran into the house to get away then the men said they would kill everyone if he didn't come out. They surrounded the house.

 

Karuphon was hit with the axe but Thawatchai refused to emerge. Before he exited the house he was shot in a hail of bullets by the door. One stray bullet hit Nawee.

 

The witness blamed a man called "Bird" who on Saturday night had argued with Thawatchai at the house. A fist fight developed and as Bird left in a pick-up he went into and damaged four motorcycles parked outside. 

 

It was Bird and his friends who returned next evening to seek revenge.

 

Police said there were at least seven men in the pick-up. 

 

Source: Daily News

 

 

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I dont get it. Was it 20 men, including Bird,  came one night, did the axing and shooting. Then Bird & seven mates returned the next night to seek revenge? Hmmmm.

[varun]

21 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Are you a member of Combat 8 or or the KKK? 

Unbelievable racism in you reply. 

 

 

Something tells me you're the type of guy who will tell a Thai guy to shave his head and become a monk,  to atone for killing or beating on his wife & kids (especially step kids) or fatally stabbing another human being.

 

If that doesn't work, can always run and hide behind Mommy's skirt, right?

Edited December 23, 2020 by varun