UK and EU reach Brexit trade deal

[7by7]

51 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

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by the way, I'm not even sure that a (very unlikely) "no" vote in the British parliament would block the deal?

 I think it would do so, as surely the agreement requires both sides to put it into law.

 

If our Parliament rejects this agreement, then that means it's rejected and so not put into UK law; whatever Johnson wishes.

 

But as you say, despite Tory and Labour rebels, such rejection is unlikely.

[7by7]

@vinny41, I'm not wasting even more bandwidth by quoting yet another attempt by you to prove me wrong (despite your earlier statement that you have no desire to so do!). Instead I refer you to the answer I gave previously.

 

 

Edited December 28, 2020 by 7by7
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[dunroaming]

The thing is, a deal was done so we have avoided falling off of the cliff edge that we would have had with the case of "No Deal".  It appears that the deal is pretty much the one the EU agreed to originally with the fishermen being pushed aside with a spurious kicked down the road arrangement for another five and a half years.  I think we all knew there was always going to be a deal done in the end and it was never going to be pretty.

 

Let's see what the small print says, shall we?

[evadgib]

17 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 Yet again, lacking an adult comment you resort to pathetic accusations.

 

If you believe I am breaking the forum rules by using multiple log ins; take your accusations, and evidence, to the Mods.

What's stopping you reaching for the...

?

[7by7]

2 minutes ago, evadgib said:

What's stopping you reaching for the...

?

 

You are the one continually making this serious accusation; so what's stopping you?

 

I'm going to be offline for the next few days, so you've plenty of time; if you dare.

 

 

Edited December 28, 2020 by 7by7
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[Hi from France]

another sector where the UK might gain is defense 

 

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diplomats in Britain believe the UK post-Brexit has already shown an independence of judgment, and fleetness of foot, in comparison with the EU, where cumbersome decision-making requires all 27 EU foreign ministers to agree. The disadvantages of steering clear of EU foreign policy are undetectable to Tory eurosceptics.

 

 

now if this is not good for the EU defense (Germany and eastern Europe countries) it's all good for France since we have a very intensive cooperation.

 

 

Now I'm still a bit skeptical, the UK has lost Galileo to they will probably be again dependent on the US for the GPS in  the same way they are with their nuclear missiles (Trident which is completely reliant and US technology).

 

The UK can cozy up with Turkey

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In the case of Turkey’s drilling for gas in the eastern Mediterranean, the EU has tabled some sanctions and may table more in March, while Britain has laid low, not wishing to offend either side. As France and Turkey have traded insults, and Germany mediated, the UK outside the EU has been free to step away, perhaps thinking of the trade deal it seeks with Turkey.

 

there is more in the article : Iran, Ukraine, Libya and the Skripal case.. Overall it seems the UK "tire son épingle du jeu" (plays the game well)

 

 

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Similarly, to British eyes the contrast between Emmanuel Macron’s call for a stronger united Europe, and unilateral French foreign policy making, reveals the sham of integrated foreign policy.

yeah....

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/28/uk-quietly-shifts-away-from-promise-of-deep-foreign-and-security-links-with-eu

Edited December 28, 2020 by Hi from France

[evadgib]

2 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

You are the one continually making this serious accusation; so what's stopping you?

 

It's not a serious accusation; it's quite comical.

Happy New Year to all of you 49 ????

[nauseus]

29 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

Off the top of my head:

1. We will lose unfettered access to the single market.
2. We will leave the customs union.
3. As a result of No. 2, exporters to the EU will require more paperwork, leading to inevitable delays at ports such as Dover
4. We will lose the bargaining power of a trade bloc consisting of 28 nations.
5. We will lose the cross border cooperation that comes from being a member of Europol.
6. We will lose access to the EIEM.
7. We will lose access to the SIS.
8. British citizens who wish to study, work or retire in the EU will lose the automatic right to so do.
9. British tourists holidaying in the EU will lose the free health insurance via the EHI card.
10. British tourists will also lose the benefit of the EU restrictions on mobile roaming charges.

If you want more; Google is your friend.

 

11. Dandruff will also lose roaming rights.

[nauseus]

18 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

@vinny41, I'm not wasting even more bandwidth by quoting yet another attempt by you to prove me wrong (despite your earlier statement that you have no desire to so do!). Instead I refer you to the answer I gave previously.

 

 

 

Getting a bit like Blue Peter.

[citybiker]

Not sure if I should ask how people’s view on the U.K. obtaining a FTA, especially the SNP faithful.

 

A belated merry Christmas to everyone btw.

[vinny41]

1 hour ago, 7by7 said:

@vinny41, I'm not wasting even more bandwidth by quoting yet another attempt by you to prove me wrong (despite your earlier statement that you have no desire to so do!). Instead I refer you to the answer I gave previously.

 

 

No need to prove you wrong the majority of people know that UK membership of the EU ceased on 31st January 2020

if you and Ian Blackford think different thats fine

[Laughing Gravy]

On 12/27/2020 at 9:29 PM, bannork said:

The UK is not extracted from the EU, it is forever bound by geography and  consequently comnercial, trading, security ties, etc, to the EU.

It is actually Europe not the EU but one great advantage there is a huge sea all around it which cuts us off.

 

So, if Scotland ever gets a vote for independence and it is successful, it will be forever bound to the rest of the UK as you have explicitly claimed here with this statement.

 

Or will you build a big river next to/near Adrian's wall.????

[Laughing Gravy]

On 12/28/2020 at 12:30 AM, bartender100 said:

Hi From The United Kingdom

 

It is just missing a last sentence.

 

Remainers and foreigners stop sulking and whining like little girls and support the country or ship out.

[Laughing Gravy]

8 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

Let's have a list of the warnings and projections by Remain that have proven to be true then please. Please use facts only and not more projections, and please only include things that can be 100% attributed to Brexit. 

What like the world will end, 900,000 thousand jobs will go the day after the referendum, food and medicine shortages.

 

One fact did come true. Toilet roll and tissues will go because remainers will cry and bawl continually for the next ten years????

[Laughing Gravy]

6 hours ago, Hi from France said:

now if this is not good for the EU defense (Germany and eastern Europe countries) it's all good for France since we have a very intensive cooperation

Don't worry the EU army will make up for it.

[bannork]

14 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

It is just missing a last sentence.

 

Remainers and foreigners stop sulking and whining like little girls and support the country or ship out.

A lot of us shipped out a long time ago LG but that doesn't mean we don't love Old Blighty. It's just we realize the stupidity and self harm of Brexit.

Never mind you Brexiteers will soon be whining as unemployment increases with companies deserting the UK.

It took Suez for the UK to realise its diminished military role in the world, Brexit will do the same economically.

[Laughing Gravy]

1 minute ago, bannork said:

A lot of us shipped out a long time ago LG but that doesn't mean we don't love Old Blighty. It's just we realize the stupidity and self harm of Brexit

Well with your continued anti British posts, I would hate to see what you are like if you hated the UK.????

 

1 minute ago, bannork said:

Never mind you Brexiteers will soon be whining as unemployment increases with companies deserting the UK

More project fear.

 

2 minutes ago, bannork said:

it took Suez for the UK to realise its diminished military role in the world, Brexit will do the same economically.

Please stay around so we can see who is right.

 

Still no response on my question then?

[Hi from France]

7 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 Yet again, lacking an adult comment you resort to pathetic accusations.

 

If you believe I am breaking the forum rules by using multiple log ins; take your accusations, and evidence, to the Mods.

In effect they probably can check the IPs, if they didn't do it already. 

 

.. or maybe you are just not so bright and a bit paranoid there. Try asking them, explaining you are still a believer in Brexit ????

[bartender100]

HI from UK

 

" UK heading for post-Brexit BOOM after signing new trade deals worth £900 billion"

 

"The colossal figure comes as Trade Secretary Liz Truss signed off a new £18.6 billion tie-up with Turkey, meaning the UK now has new agreements in place with 62 countries around the world. And there are multi-billion free trade deals with America, Canada and Australia in the pipeline for 2021. Together they could boost the UK economy by at least £100 billion over the coming decade, according to analyst".

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1377528/brexit-news-UK-EU-trade-deal-latest-boris-johnson-trade-deal-US-canada-australia-liz-truss

 

and we don't have to pay 30 billion a year net for the privilege

[Chomper Higgot]

9 hours ago, evadgib said:

Not necessarily; Hi from France is one of several using that same keyboard.

HTH ????

I’ll call that what it is.

 

Utter nonsense.

 

 

[Hi from France]

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" UK heading for post-Brexit BOOM after signing new trade deals worth £900 billion"

if you have a link to a serious newspaper I'll take it ????

 

 

 

as I remember, Liz Truss was the one celebrating a “historic” Japan deal

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The reality was that “the UK has been sailing into the wind throughout the negotiations to get back to its starting point”,

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-japan-trade-deal-liz-truss-exports-b1619263.html

 

 

We need to go beyond what populists say to tabloids.

 

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Edited December 29, 2020 by Hi from France

[Chomper Higgot]

9 hours ago, dunroaming said:

So all 27 EU countries passed the deal unanimously, even France seemed happy with the outcome.  I am reserving judgement until we get the proper details rather than the government spin.  Then I can decide if it is better to bring back my business base to the UK or keep it in mainland Europe.

Does the deal cover ‘EBay traders’?

[luckyluke]

10 hours ago, nauseus said:

It gives me pleasure to entertain.

 

Rupert Pupkin alike, as I see it.

 

But of course everything is relative.

[transam]

I see the anti-Brits are still in full flow here. But, isn't it a great feeling to know we did Brexit with an EU deal and freedom to deal with whom we like as well, with no interference from across the channel......

 

Just the very last hurdle to go, the House vote, where the Scottish Nationalists will try and wreck it, but that was to be expected.

 

I think the words Brexiteers, Brexit, remainers, will soon be a thing of the past, we will be back to the "UK" again..

 

"God Save the Queen"...................

[bannork]

2 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Well with your continued anti British posts, I would hate to see what you are like if you hated the UK.????

 

More project fear.

 

Please stay around so we can see who is right.

 

Still no response on my question then?

What question was that? About the 690 plus agreements that cease to be valid after Jan 1st? I mentioned the author's name Marc Wesseling and title of the video but I couldn't post a link. 

Fir the umpteenth tine, I'm not anti British. I'm anti Brexit, anti British weather and anti jingoistic Brits who are living in the past. I realise It's not England's fault it's a tiny island with far too many people. France and Thailand are twice the size with approximately the same population. 

Less is more. 

[sandyf]

12 hours ago, vinny41 said:

I am not making any attempt to prove you wrong and as far as I am concerned I stand by what I posted  as being completely correct

I will posted again just for you

Suggest you read the quote from the guardian again

“This is a very bad deal for Scotland, which will terminate our membership of the EU, rip us out of the world’s largest single market and customs union, end our freedom of movement rights, 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/27/snp-confirms-vote-against-extreme-tory-brexit-deal

No UK membership of the EU was terminated   at 11 p.m. GMT on 31 January 2020

 

Maybe you should brush up on vocabulary.

“This is a very bad deal for Scotland, which will terminate our membership of the EU, rip us out of the world’s largest single market and customs union, end our freedom of movement rights, "

context

Pronunciation /ˈkɒntɛkst/ 

 

NOUN

• The circumstances that form the setting for an event, statement, or idea, and in terms of which it can be fully understood.

  https://www.lexico.com/definition/context

   

  PS Apologies for the text, cannot seem to remove the bold.

[sandyf]

3 hours ago, bartender100 said:

HI from UK

 

" UK heading for post-Brexit BOOM after signing new trade deals worth £900 billion"

 

"The colossal figure comes as Trade Secretary Liz Truss signed off a new £18.6 billion tie-up with Turkey, meaning the UK now has new agreements in place with 62 countries around the world. And there are multi-billion free trade deals with America, Canada and Australia in the pipeline for 2021. Together they could boost the UK economy by at least £100 billion over the coming decade, according to analyst".

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1377528/brexit-news-UK-EU-trade-deal-latest-boris-johnson-trade-deal-US-canada-australia-liz-truss

 

and we don't have to pay 30 billion a year net for the privilege

Yes great news about Turkey, the UK getting back what it already had.

 

The deal — essentially a continuation of the existing EU-Turkey framework — would come into effect as the UK leaves the EU customs union on 1 January, allowing seamless commerce between the two Nato allies to continue as before.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/turkey-britain-trade-agreement-brexit-b1779598.html

 

Remind us, what happened about the 70 million Turks that Farage told us would invade the UK with EU membership, of course the UK is now free to offer them visas under an FTA?

Make no mistake, every deal that the UK makes will come at a cost.

 

As for the cost, EU contribution was 0.7% of income tax revenue, as opposed to 5.5% for the interest on the national debt.

Tell us how much will the interest on the national debt rise as a result of brexit?

[sandyf]

12 hours ago, dunroaming said:

So all 27 EU countries passed the deal unanimously, even France seemed happy with the outcome.  I am reserving judgement until we get the proper details rather than the government spin.  Then I can decide if it is better to bring back my business base to the UK or keep it in mainland Europe.

No surprise there. No European in their right mind would have wanted to start new negotiations on contingency measures with someone that obviously cannot be trusted.

There best option is to get it wrapped up and move on, after all they have other countries trying to make deals.

[nauseus]

7 hours ago, luckyluke said:

 

Rupert Pupkin alike, as I see it.

 

But of course everything is relative.

 

What a memory! I had to use google for that, my friend.

[luckyluke]

1 minute ago, nauseus said:

 

What a memory! I had to use google for that, my friend.

Do you really believe I remembered the name !?

The movie and actors, sure.