UK and EU reach Brexit trade deal

[kingdong]

15 hours ago, Hi from France said:

More on the fishing deal for scotland

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/29/scotland-faces-cuts-to-cod-and-haddock-fisheries-under-brexit-deal

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/29/boris-is-a-kipper-fury-and-frustration-at-brexit-fishing-deal-in-brixham

 

 

meanwhile 

Brexit trade deal wins support of Conservative ERG MPs

Group of hardline Eurosceptic Tory MPs to vote in favour of deal after concluding it preserves UK sovereignty

 

 

the ERG cares more about sovereignty than about prosperity and fishing

 

 

Don,t know about boris being a kipper.one things for sure with his track record,the old rascals partial to a pair of hairy kippers.

[kingdong]

7 hours ago, Sujo said:

Strange response.

 

If machines were economically viable they would already be used. Im sure you are happy with increased prices because of this.

 

Why buy a machine?f the machine breaks down you have to pay to fix it if someone working on a self employed,zero hour contract go,es sick you tell them to naff off and take on some other desperate individual  down to the the joys of freedom of movement ,not any more though,what a victory for workers rights the uk procured when we left the eu.

[stevenl]

And the deal has been approved by the UK.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/28/uk-lawmakers-approve-brexit-trade-deal.html

[luckyluke]

3 hours ago, kingdong said:

Because we...

 

Facts :

 

The U.K. was member of an Union,  after many years they decided to leave that Union, so they did.

Why and how, is pure intern U.K. matter.

If some Britons consider that as a victory, and others as a calamity, is also pure intern U.K. matter.

There is no way it is consider as a victory for the U.K., by the E.U., as the U.K. left in free will.

It will  however have a financial impact on the E.U.,  this will have to be resolved by the rest of the members, a pure intern E.U. matter.

 

Speculations :

 

In the future,

other member countries  may have the desire to leave, and they simply will.

Some non-member countries may have the desire to join the E.U., and if they fulfill the conditions, they will be accepted.

 

 

 

[Hi from France]

2 hours ago, stevenl said:

And the deal has been approved by the UK.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/28/uk-lawmakers-approve-brexit-trade-deal.html

Now the question is what to do with this newfound "freedom", and what happens on services in the next negotiation 

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Starting with the complete absence of detail for the service sector, especially financial services. The Tories had just bargained away 80% of the economy to secure the headline trade deal: the French and the Germans were laughing all the way to the bank.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/30/boris-johnson-brexit-vote-tories-bad-deal

[david555]

So.... that are the negotiating  "tools" UVDL.was hinting at in her speach ...????

conserning the 2026 fish deal ending...

 

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-gas-electricity-supply-uk-fish-stocks-b1780376.html

 

EU can shut off power supplies if UK tries to seize control of fish stocks, small print of deal reveals

Cables under Channel meet 8 per cent of demand - raising threat of higher prices and possible blackouts

 

Rob Merrick

Deputy Political Editor

 

The EU has secured the ability to shut off gas and electricity supplies if the UK tries to seize control of disputed fish stocks in future, experts are warning.

 

The sanction – which would hike prices and possibly trigger blackouts – makes a mockery of the prime minister’s claim to have “taken control” of British waters in his trade agreement, they say.

 

The little-noticed clause in the vast 1,255-page text allows Brussels to kick the UK out of its electricity and gas markets in June 2026, unless a fresh deal is agreed.

Edited December 30, 2020 by david555

[Hi from France]

Sovereignty regained, but what to do with it? That is the question

Freeports alone won't put a rocket under Britain's economy - we await the Prime Minister's plans with bated breath

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/12/29/sovereignty-regained-do-question/

 

 

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One of the South Sea Bubble was one that announced itself as “a company for carrying out an undertaking of great advantage, but nobody to know what it is”.

 

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Boris Johnson likewise promises that big changes are coming as he seeks to use the country’s new “legislative and regulatory freedoms to deliver for people who felt left behind”.

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But as to precisely what, we are still pretty much in the dark.

 

Edited December 30, 2020 by Hi from France

[kingdong]

1 hour ago, luckyluke said:

 

Facts :

 

The U.K. was member of an Union,  after many years they decided to leave that Union, so they did.

Why and how, is pure intern U.K. matter.

If some Britons consider that as a victory, and others as a calamity, is also pure intern U.K. matter.

There is no way it is consider as a victory for the U.K., by the E.U., as the U.K. left in free will.

It will  however have a financial impact on the E.U.,  this will have to be resolved by the rest of the members, a pure intern E.U. matter.

 

Speculations :

 

In the future,

other member countries  may have the desire to leave, and they simply will.

Some non-member countries may have the desire to join the E.U., and if they fulfill the conditions, they will be accepted.

 

 

 

Lets see how many other eu countries are so keen when they realise they,re going to have to stick their hands in their pockets and theres nothing left to ponce following the uks financial shortfall,still its nice to know the wealthier countries will help out their more impoverished colleagues,and if not lets hope their government's will grant them referendums as they haven,t been so keen to up to now.

[stevenl]

55 minutes ago, david555 said:

So.... that are the negotiating  "tools" UVDL.was hinting at in her speach ...????

conserning the 2026 fish deal ending...

 

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-gas-electricity-supply-uk-fish-stocks-b1780376.html

 

EU can shut off power supplies if UK tries to seize control of fish stocks, small print of deal reveals

Cables under Channel meet 8 per cent of demand - raising threat of higher prices and possible blackouts

 

Rob Merrick

Deputy Political Editor

 

The EU has secured the ability to shut off gas and electricity supplies if the UK tries to seize control of disputed fish stocks in future, experts are warning.

 

The sanction – which would hike prices and possibly trigger blackouts – makes a mockery of the prime minister’s claim to have “taken control” of British waters in his trade agreement, they say.

 

The little-noticed clause in the vast 1,255-page text allows Brussels to kick the UK out of its electricity and gas markets in June 2026, unless a fresh deal is agreed.

Nonsense threat, will never happen.

[candide]

8 hours ago, david555 said:

SSStttt..... they did not signed yet ....????    

Eh! It's ok now! ????

[luckyluke]

1 hour ago, kingdong said:

Lets see... 

 

 The U.K. leaving the E.U. isn't particularly a surprise for the E.U. members, it is known since June 2016.

 

So, I trust the problem has already been discussed somehow. 

 

I personally speculate that the wealthiest contributor members won't pay more (or not that much more), but the beneficiaries members receiving less. 

 

These beneficiaries members will have than to decide, if it is more wise to receive nothing(leaving the Union) or adapt to a lesser benefit (staying in the Union). 

 

Lets indeed see what will happen.

 

 

[david555]

3 hours ago, stevenl said:

Nonsense threat, will never happen.

Could be ... but probably  because there would be no reason to use that tool ( not a treat..????) as U.K  would think twice .....????

 

 

[IvorBiggun2]

14 hours ago, sandyf said:

the English voted to leave a union, the Scots voted to remain in that union. The Scots now have every right to vote on leaving a union.

 

A bit like saying Cornwall's residents voted to leave the EU and therefore have a right to leave the UK. The sooner Scotland joins the EU the better. Whiners.

[Hi from France]

2 hours ago, luckyluke said:

I personally speculate that the wealthiest contributor members won't pay more (or not that much more), but the beneficiaries members receiving less.

well you can personally speculate from the outside ????

 

Brexiteers never understood the EU is more than a transaction, and that the benefits are of another magnitude that just having an accountant vision of a membership fees versus subsidies. 

https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/what-the-eu-does-for-its-citizens_en

[luckyluke]

36 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

well you can personally speculate from the outside ????

 

Brexiteers never understood the EU is more than a transaction, and that the benefits are of another magnitude that just having an accountant vision of a membership fees versus subsidies. 

https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/what-the-eu-does-for-its-citizens_en

 

Fair enough, but as written :

 

 

"Since 1957, the European Union has benefited its citizens by working for peace and prosperity. It helps protect our basic political, social and economic rights.

Although we may take them for granted, these benefits improve our daily lives."

 

One only miss it, when it's gone.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[vogie]

Trade deal given Royal Assent and a very moving speech give by Kate Hoey in the HoL. We waited nearly 5 years for this day, Bill Cash said that Churchill and Thatcher would be proud of Boris, bravo Boris you have pulled the impossible off. Three cheers for Boris.

Nigel Farage has been omitted from the honours list again but they managed to knight Lewis Hamilton, the mind boggles.

 

 

 

 

[sandyf]

15 hours ago, vogie said:

I really don't know how to make this more understandable Sandy, Scotland did not, repeat, did not have a vote it was the United Kingdom that voted for leaving. My next next door neighbour Ted voted to remain, should the rest of us left and let Ted remain. 

The SNP voted to leave the EU in 2014, because if the SNP had garnered enough votes to break up our UK union, had you won that vote, you would be the ones leaving the EU, you didn't care about the rest of the UK then did you.

Did the majority in Scotland vote to remain in the EU or not?

This persistent claim that Scotland voted as part of Westminster highlights the contempt that brexiteers have for Scotland as a nation. Obviously the "will of the people" means the will of the English

Scotland was a sovereign nation before entering into a union, does any nation have the right to reclaim sovereignty from a union?

It's a yes or no answer.

 

The result in 2014 was the right one at the time. I voted Conservative all my life but the actions of the tory government during the 2014 campaign revealed the self centred corruption.

Independence is a matter for the people of Scotland and as circumstances have changed quite radically they have every right to take that decision again. It is highly likely that the SNP will be the leading party for years to come and only the delusional would think that brexit has been "done".

Those that voted for brexit will see the consequences as the years go by.

[luckyluke]

7 minutes ago, vogie said:

bravo Boris you have pulled the impossible off.

 

What impossible !?

 

The Brexit referendum was decided by Mr. Cameron.

The Leavers won democratically, as consequence the U.K. would leave the E.U..

The E.U. was informed, and acknowledged.

Brexit will took place, as expected.

Mr. Johnson happen just to be the P.M. when occurring.

There was never a doubt Brexit won't happen.

 

 

 

 

 

[vogie]

14 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Did the majority in Scotland vote to remain in the EU or not?

This persistent claim that Scotland voted as part of Westminster highlights the contempt that brexiteers have for Scotland as a nation. Obviously the "will of the people" means the will of the English

Scotland was a sovereign nation before entering into a union, does any nation have the right to reclaim sovereignty from a union?

It's a yes or no answer.

 

The result in 2014 was the right one at the time. I voted Conservative all my life but the actions of the tory government during the 2014 campaign revealed the self centred corruption.

Independence is a matter for the people of Scotland and as circumstances have changed quite radically they have every right to take that decision again. It is highly likely that the SNP will be the leading party for years to come and only the delusional would think that brexit has been "done".

Those that voted for brexit will see the consequences as the years go by.

Did the majority in Scotland vote to remain in the EU or not?

 

Again why we are going down the 'it's all about me' road. Sandy, for the umpteenth time, it was not a Scottish vote, it was a United Kingdom decision to leave the EU, and as much as you don't like it that is the reality.

And if blaming the English persistantly makes you sleep better in your bed at night, feel free to do so, we are getting used to it from the Scottish Nationalists, it's what they do, sadly.

[IvorBiggun2]

17 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Did the majority in Scotland vote to remain in the EU or not?

This persistent claim that Scotland voted as part of Westminster highlights the contempt that brexiteers have for Scotland as a nation.

Total hog wash. There over 800,000 Scots living in England. Did they all return home to vote to Remain? No, they voted in England. Up to you how you think they voted. May be we should make all Scots return home whenever there's something that may affect them politically? Same applies to Wales and N Ireland. 

[kingdong]

31 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Did the majority in Scotland vote to remain in the EU or not?

This persistent claim that Scotland voted as part of Westminster highlights the contempt that brexiteers have for Scotland as a nation. Obviously the "will of the people" means the will of the English

Scotland was a sovereign nation before entering into a union, does any nation have the right to reclaim sovereignty from a union?

It's a yes or no answer.

 

The result in 2014 was the right one at the time. I voted Conservative all my life but the actions of the tory government during the 2014 campaign revealed the self centred corruption.

Independence is a matter for the people of Scotland and as circumstances have changed quite radically they have every right to take that decision again. It is highly likely that the SNP will be the leading party for years to come and only the delusional would think that brexit has been "done".

Those that voted for brexit will see the consequences as the years go by.

A breakdown of the votes cast in the isle of dogs showed the vast majority of its residents voted remain,watch them for the next bid for devoulution.

Edited December 31, 2020 by kingdong

[vogie]

19 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

 

What impossible !?

 

The Brexit referendum was decided by Mr. Cameron.

The Leavers won democratically, as consequence the U.K. would leave the E.U..

The E.U. was informed, and acknowledged.

Brexit will took place, as expected.

Mr. Johnson happen just to be the P.M. when occurring.

There was never a doubt Brexit won't happen.

 

 

 

 

 

You have omitted the most important fact to your analysis, it was a remainer parliament and as such it turned everything into a stalemate, Mrs May tried to unblock the logjam and failed, Boris was dealt the same hand but he played every card with precision and pulled off the "impossible"

[transam]

8 hours ago, luckyluke said:

 

Facts :

 

The U.K. was member of an Union,  after many years they decided to leave that Union, so they did.

Why and how, is pure intern U.K. matter.

If some Britons consider that as a victory, and others as a calamity, is also pure intern U.K. matter.

There is no way it is consider as a victory for the U.K., by the E.U., as the U.K. left in free will.

It will  however have a financial impact on the E.U.,  this will have to be resolved by the rest of the members, a pure intern E.U. matter.

 

Speculations :

 

In the future,

other member countries  may have the desire to leave, and they simply will.

Some non-member countries may have the desire to join the E.U., and if they fulfill the conditions, they will be accepted.

 

 

 

You keep chopping members posts up, yet you complain about emijons. I wish you would stop doing it...???? 

[luckyluke]

7 minutes ago, vogie said:

You have omitted the most important fact to your analysis, it was a remainer parliament and as such it turned everything into a stalemate, Mrs May tried to unblock the logjam and failed, Boris was dealt the same hand but he played every card with precision and pulled off the "impossible"

 

Interesting approach / perception of a situation.

However :

A Brexit was decided democratically, and will happen as foresee. 

[transam]

39 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Did the majority in Scotland vote to remain in the EU or not?

This persistent claim that Scotland voted as part of Westminster highlights the contempt that brexiteers have for Scotland as a nation. Obviously the "will of the people" means the will of the English

Scotland was a sovereign nation before entering into a union, does any nation have the right to reclaim sovereignty from a union?

It's a yes or no answer.

 

The result in 2014 was the right one at the time. I voted Conservative all my life but the actions of the tory government during the 2014 campaign revealed the self centred corruption.

Independence is a matter for the people of Scotland and as circumstances have changed quite radically they have every right to take that decision again. It is highly likely that the SNP will be the leading party for years to come and only the delusional would think that brexit has been "done".

Those that voted for brexit will see the consequences as the years go by.

You still don't understand that Scotland is a member of the UNITED KINGDOM, The UNITED KINGDOM joined then left the EU, NOT individual countries. 

The UNITED KINGDOM voted on Brexit, NOT individual countries.

 

Time for you to do your homework on how things actually work....???? 

[luckyluke]

19 minutes ago, transam said:

You keep chopping members posts up, yet you complain about emijons. I wish you would stop doing it...???? 

Fair enough, I did it to avoid to post again a post just posted. 

I will quote as per now the entire post I refer to.

Edited December 31, 2020 by luckyluke

[IvorBiggun2]

What have they got to fear?

 

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Under the Scottish government's current referendum proposals, non-resident Scots will not be eligible to vote on Scotland's constitutional future.

 

[kingdong]

36 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

 

What impossible !?

 

The Brexit referendum was decided by Mr. Cameron.

The Leavers won democratically, as consequence the U.K. would leave the E.U..

The E.U. was informed, and acknowledged.

Brexit will took place, as expected.

Mr. Johnson happen just to be the P.M. when occurring.

There was never a doubt Brexit won't happen.

 

 

 

 

 

Cameron used the referendum as a cheap stunt  when he was in opposition,when he got elected by a narrow margin nigel farages ukip started to get popular which frightened cameron who called a peoples election thinking the people would listen to the lies of project fear,unfortunately for him it backfired on him and he had to resign with his tail between his legs,i,d like to say he was the worst pm britain ever had but think that title belongs to remainer may.

[transam]

4 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

Fair enough, I did it to avoid to post again a post just posted. 

I will quote as per now the entire post I refer too. 

Folk have to go back (well I do) and find the post to see what you are replying too....????

[simple1]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

Nigel Farage has been omitted from the honours list again

 

Excellent news; trump tweeted insults on a number of occasions regards UK. Anyone who's a trump sycophant, and as divisive as Farage, is not worthy to be on the honours list.