UK and EU reach Brexit trade deal

[bkkcanuck8]

1 hour ago, Histavia said:

UK has the second highest covid death and infection rates in the world.

Like many countries they have lots of redundancy anyways ????

[Hi from France]

What do you think? He just has to move to the EU? 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/17/shock-brexit-charges-are-hurting-us-say-small-british-businesses

[7by7]

On 1/16/2021 at 2:40 AM, transam said:

You mention democracy, yet you dismiss the Brexit vote....Hmmmmm, isn't that hypocritical....????

 

Eurosceptics, from all parties, were campaigning to overturn the 1975 referendum result almost since the result was announced.

 

From the late 1980s on various parties, such as the Referendum Party and UKIP, were formed with the sole purpose of campaigning to overturn the 1975 referendum result.

 

Were all these, in your view, hypocrites? 

 

We are a democracy; as such we have the right to peacefully oppose the government and campaign for change.

 

On 1/16/2021 at 2:40 AM, transam said:

PS. Please do try not to belittle members before your rant, that is for folk who know they have lost....

So that is why you do it so often!

[7by7]

On 1/16/2021 at 2:43 AM, transam said:

Is that an ant-British rant...?

 No, it is an observation on people who refer back to the war at every given opportunity as if we are still fighting it.

 

Maybe you still are?

[7by7]

20 hours ago, Hi from France said:

I still wonder what economic benefits of Brexit you promise and when you plan to deliver, tell us! 

 

I and others have asked our resident Brexiteers that question, and similar ones, many times.

 

None of them have ever been able to answer! 

[7by7]

20 hours ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

Bankruptcy happens day in day out. It's not really a Brexit thing. Many other reasons why people go bankrupt. Notice the word 'possible'.  Just speculation.

 

 

Yes, firms and individuals do go bankrupt for a variety of reasons.

 

The reason for these possible bankruptcies is the delays and red tape caused by Brexit.

 

Unless you know more about it than those directly effected?

[Histavia]

2 hours ago, 473geo said:

All the more reason to get vaccinated ASAP, seems to be going well and introducing ways to speed it up too

The UK vaccinations are rolling out...they are behind Italy and USA.....vaccination does not mean "freedom" from Covid.  If all goes well adults in UK will all be vaccinated by UK.....we should then see Covid dwindle. It is unlikely it will disappear. At present the NHS is just about at full capacity..... transplants and other treatments are being delayed but soon max capacity will take over.   This has never happened to the NHS before. In the meantime UK has no test and trace and has only in the last few days restricted foreign entries. We are in short amongst the worst performers with Covid.

[7by7]

14 hours ago, 473geo said:

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How very strange had a couple of lovely meals large cod and chips lately,

 

Most (all?) of the cod caught by UK fisheries is consumed in the UK. It is fisheries who export to the EU who are facing possible business closing difficulties.

 

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In 2019, the UK fishing industry exported more than 333,000 tonnes of fish to the EU. That accounted for nearly half of the total catch of the UK fishing fleet and roughly three quarters of total fish exports from the UK.

Some parts of the industry - such as shellfish - are totally dependent on such exports. (Source)

 

[Histavia]

1 hour ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

Like many countries they have lots of redundancy anyways ????

All countries are fighting covid...UK alone is dealing with the damage caused by Brexit.

Here is a headline from the Daily Mail...

 

 

Edited January 17, 2021 by Histavia

[7by7]

14 hours ago, 473geo said:

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P.s Cycled past a new supermarket chain store today looked fully stocked to me

 Maybe today, but for how much longer?

 

Shoppers faced with gaps on shelves as supermarkets battle with Brexit red tape

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Fresh fruit and vegetable items have been listed as out of stock on some supermarket websites while shoppers have posted images on social media of empty shelves in a number of stores.

 

The government has told consumers to expect more disruption as routes into and out of the UK become busier over the coming days after the quieter new year period which has already been marred by border delays and confusion over new trading rules.

 

 

[7by7]

 

2 hours ago, 473geo said:

All the more reason to get vaccinated ASAP, seems to be going well and introducing ways to speed it up too

 

Except one can't get vaccinated until the government says one can!

 

The way of 'speeding things up' being introduced is to lengthen the time between first and second doses beyond the recommended maximum 12 weeks!

 

Even so, it will still be September before most adults have been offered the first dose of the vaccine.

 

COVID-19: Some restrictions could go by March and vaccine should be offered to every adult by September

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The foreign secretary refused to guarantee that everyone will get their second vaccine dose within 12 weeks.

 

[Loiner]

25 minutes ago, Histavia said:

All countries are fighting covid...UK alone is dealing with the damage caused by Brexit.

Here is a headline from the Daily Mail...

 

 

More Remainer spin, hype and lies. Didn't it snow around your supermarkets?

[7by7]

46 minutes ago, Loiner said:

More Remainer spin, hype and lies. 

 

From the pro Brexit, pro Tory, pro Johnson Daily Mail!

 

46 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Didn't it snow around your supermarkets?

Not very many; and where it did it was not bad enough to stop deliveries getting through.

 

Edited January 17, 2021 by 7by7
Addendum

[7by7]

File under "You couldn't make it up!"

 

Brexit group’s website suspended in row over its bid to move to EU

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Leave.EU switched registration to Republic of Ireland to avoid losing EU domain name

 If leaving the EU and all it's works is as wonderful as Vote.Leave have been telling us for the past 4 and a half years; why do they want to keep their .eu domain?

[Histavia]

47 minutes ago, Loiner said:

More Remainer spin, hype and lies. Didn't it snow around your supermarkets?

The Mail is a Leave newspaper.

What is your point about snow?

[Loiner]

2 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

File under "You couldn't make it up!"

 

Brexit group’s website suspended in row over its bid to move to EU

 If leaving the EU and all it's works is as wonderful as Vote.Leave have been telling us for the past 4 and a half years; why do they want to keep their .eu domain?

File under "Clutching at Remainer straws!" 
The clue is in the name: Leave.EU  

Another example of EU pettiness and its suspension could even be 'Cancelling'.

[vogie]

1 minute ago, Histavia said:

The Mail is a Leave newspaper.

What is your point about snow?

The Mail is not a credible news source and is usually taken down by Thaivisa when used.

[Hi from France]

56 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

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Except one can't get vaccinated until the government says one can!

 

The way of 'speeding things up' being introduced is to lengthen the time between first and second doses beyond the recommended maximum 12 weeks!

 

Even so, it will still be September before most adults have been offered the first dose of the vaccine.

 

COVID-19: Some restrictions could go by March and vaccine should be offered to every adult by September

This should be a major cause of concern. 

 

An ineffective vaccination campaign will lead to a fourth, maybe even fifth wave. 

 

Again 

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The foreign secretary refused to guarantee that everyone will get their second vaccine dose within 12 weeks.

4 weeks for the second dose is how you get you Immunity from 50% to 90% (a week after the second jab)

 

Waiting 12 weeks is extremely dangerous as Immunity could go down down pretty fast after week 4.

 

Waiting more than 12 weeks is just suicidal, the vaccine simply becomes ineffective.

 

What will the Brexiteer government say when vaccinated people land in the hospital and die? 

 

The UK has had enough mismanagement already, no? 

[Histavia]

3 minutes ago, vogie said:

The Mail is not a credible news source and is usually taken down by Thaivisa when used.

How about the BBC?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55575988

 

 

or the indepdant or the Telegraph or FT or Guardian????? - google them

 

Edited January 17, 2021 by Histavia

[Histavia]

6 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

Waiting 12 weeks is extremely dangerous as Immunity could go down down pretty fast after week 4.

 

Waiting more than 12 weeks is just suicidal, the vaccine simply becomes ineffective.

This is not actually accurate - the second booster shot stimulates B cell maturation which deepens and lengthens the type of immunity, but the initial jab continues to work......the "half-life" of the jabs is not  know or proven as yet but one can go by previous performance of other vaccines and draw conclusions. At the end of the day it is still not known how long 2 jabs will work........anything from yearly like flu or virtually lifetime like smallpox.

 

the pint is that protection IS achieved by the first jab and to say it will sharply decline is not proven and not necessarily the case

[Loiner]

13 minutes ago, Histavia said:

The Mail is a Leave newspaper.

What is your point about snow?

The Mail hasn't been a Leave newspaper since they last changed the editor to Grieg, when it became a Remainer rag.

[vogie]

14 minutes ago, Histavia said:

How about the BBC?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55575988

 

 

or the indepdant or the Telegraph or FT or Guardian????? - google them

 

From your source:

 

"Senior civil servants have said that a major problem is that some British firms have not been prepared for the new processes needed to ship to Northern Ireland."

 

 

"Thousands of lorries were delayed in crossing the English Channel when France imposed travel restrictions due to the spread of the variant coronavirus.

Some product limits have been placed on items at Asda as a result."

 

I hope you can see that whilst Brexit is getting blamed for everything and anything some people just seem to be misreading the situatation, whether intentionally or not. You cannot blame Brexit for other peoples incompetance, but some still do.

 

 

[bkkcanuck8]

2 hours ago, Histavia said:

All countries are fighting covid...UK alone is dealing with the damage caused by Brexit.

Here is a headline from the Daily Mail...

 

 

I did not say you had food redundancy... a people redundancy - like many countries... to many people on the planet right now...

[bkkcanuck8]

36 minutes ago, vogie said:

From your source:

 

"Senior civil servants have said that a major problem is that some British firms have not been prepared for the new processes needed to ship to Northern Ireland."

 

 

"Thousands of lorries were delayed in crossing the English Channel when France imposed travel restrictions due to the spread of the variant coronavirus.

Some product limits have been placed on items at Asda as a result."

 

I hope you can see that whilst Brexit is getting blamed for everything and anything some people just seem to be misreading the situatation, whether intentionally or not. You cannot blame Brexit for other peoples incompetance, but some still do.

 

 

 

The delays in the lorries crossing the channel - was because of travel restrictions imposed December 20th and reopened DECEMBER 23rd.

 

This is more because of Brexit right now. 

 

Truck drivers are typically paid by the kilometer...  crossing the border and the paperwork (going both directions) is extremely slow (even with limited traffic due to non-perishables being stocked up).   Basically the truck drivers will lose money taking the UK shipping route rather than in the EU.... so it is highly likely many will just refuse to take the UK route.

 

And yes, you can blame the government for not having the deal in place early enough for businesses to become familiar with... what should have been taking place in the months up to the Brexit switchover date is dry runs where businesses would follow the new processes but only has a way of checking that everyone understood what was going on.  We have all sorts of preparedness drills -- this should have been no different.

Edited January 17, 2021 by bkkcanuck8

[vogie]

12 minutes ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

The delays in the lorries crossing the channel - was because of travel restrictions imposed December 20th and reopened DECEMBER 23rd.

 

This is more because of Brexit right now. 

 

Truck drivers are typically paid by the kilometer...  crossing the border and the paperwork (going both directions) is extremely slow (even with limited traffic due to non-perishables being stocked up).   Basically the truck drivers will lose money taking the UK shipping route rather than in the EU.... so it is highly likely many will just refuse to take the UK route.

 

And yes, you can blame the government for not having the deal in place early enough for businesses to become familiar with... what should have been taking place in the months up to the Brexit switchover date is dry runs where businesses would follow the new processes but only has a way of checking that everyone understood what was going on.  We have all sorts of preparedness drills -- this should have been no different.

You have just proven my point, you're right and the BBC are wrong, what is the point of putting links up in the first place. Did you actually read what it said, 'the companies were not ready!'

But it is always the fault of Brexit no matter what happens, its a wonder nobody is blaming Brexit on their blocked drains.

[Chelseafan]

2 hours ago, vogie said:

From your source:

 

"Senior civil servants have said that a major problem is that some British firms have not been prepared for the new processes needed to ship to Northern Ireland."

 

 

"Thousands of lorries were delayed in crossing the English Channel when France imposed travel restrictions due to the spread of the variant coronavirus.

Some product limits have been placed on items at Asda as a result."

 

I hope you can see that whilst Brexit is getting blamed for everything and anything some people just seem to be misreading the situatation, whether intentionally or not. You cannot blame Brexit for other peoples incompetance, but some still do.

 

 

 

 

I work for a large global retailer and let me say that we were SEMI-PREPARED however given that the deal was only concluded late December it gave us no time for either us or our suppliers to fully implement the new regulations. The deal gave no grace period for manufacturers to clear through old packaging for example. We're all trying to get attestation certificates for exporting products of animal origin to the EU but theres not enough vets. Truckers do not want to travel to the EU nor do European truckers want to drive to the UK. Freight containers are out of position so we've got a problem shipping from Asia.

 

The deal should have been concluded allowing 6 months for both sides to implement. It's a f@@king farce!

 

 

[Chelseafan]

2 hours ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

 

Truck drivers are typically paid by the kilometer...  crossing the border and the paperwork (going both directions) is extremely slow (even with limited traffic due to non-perishables being stocked up).   Basically the truck drivers will lose money taking the UK shipping route rather than in the EU.... so it is highly likely many will just refuse to take the UK route.

 

 

 

They already are. Delivering to the UK isn't really the problem as there very few checks at UK POH however they often will take a consignment back to their originating country and given that the EU are implementing a hard border and that paperwork isn't always ready,  it's just not worth it for them to do so. Over time, I'm sure things will calm down but the added red-tape is a nightmare.

 

[Histavia]

4 hours ago, vogie said:

From your source:

 

"Senior civil servants have said that a major problem is that some British firms have not been prepared for the new processes needed to ship to Northern Ireland."

 

 

"Thousands of lorries were delayed in crossing the English Channel when France imposed travel restrictions due to the spread of the variant coronavirus.

Some product limits have been placed on items at Asda as a result."

 

I hope you can see that whilst Brexit is getting blamed for everything and anything some people just seem to be misreading the situatation, whether intentionally or not. You cannot blame Brexit for other peoples incompetance, but some still do.

 

 

 

Brexit IS other people's incompetence!

[Histavia]

3 hours ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

The delays in the lorries crossing the channel - was because of travel restrictions imposed December 20th and reopened DECEMBER 23rd.

 

This is more because of Brexit right now. 

 

Truck drivers are typically paid by the kilometer...  crossing the border and the paperwork (going both directions) is extremely slow (even with limited traffic due to non-perishables being stocked up).   Basically the truck drivers will lose money taking the UK shipping route rather than in the EU.... so it is highly likely many will just refuse to take the UK route.

 

And yes, you can blame the government for not having the deal in place early enough for businesses to become familiar with... what should have been taking place in the months up to the Brexit switchover date is dry runs where businesses would follow the new processes but only has a way of checking that everyone understood what was going on.  We have all sorts of preparedness drills -- this should have been no different.

Absolute nonsense! Why on earth do you think drivers are paid by the mile? they are restricted by Tachos how far they can drive and have to take breaks - they get paid by the hour waiting at port......no respectable employer would pay their drivers this way. Simply, because it’s illegal

Edited January 17, 2021 by Histavia

[Histavia]

5 hours ago, vogie said:

From your source:

 

"Senior civil servants have said that a major problem is that some British firms have not been prepared for the new processes needed to ship to Northern Ireland."

 

 

"Thousands of lorries were delayed in crossing the English Channel when France imposed travel restrictions due to the spread of the variant coronavirus.

Some product limits have been placed on items at Asda as a result."

 

I hope you can see that whilst Brexit is getting blamed for everything and anything some people just seem to be misreading the situatation, whether intentionally or not. You cannot blame Brexit for other peoples incompetance, but some still do.

 

 

 

because Brexit IS to blame!