UK and EU reach Brexit trade deal

[Tofer]

8 hours ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

In effect if you were not allowed to order -- then what is the point of preordering or contractng or even subsidizing vaccine  development costs. (pre-order is basically a subsidy in this case)

 

If you stand on the side lines, don't expect to score goals...

 

Glad we didn't invest in / order from the Pasteur Institute... That would have been pointless!

[Phulublub]

2 minutes ago, Tofer said:

 

If you stand on the side lines, don't expect to score goals...

 

Glad we didn't invest in / order from the Pasteur Institute... That would have been pointless!

I think you might find the UK ordered 60 million doses from GSK/Sanofi Pastuer.  But don't let facts get in the way.

 

PH

[Phulublub]

8 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Agree all leavers voted the same way but for different reasons and all remainers voted the same way but for different reasons

and for both remainers and leavers to achieved those desired reasons they would have either voted leave or remain

One, at least, understands.

 

As I said, shame many Brexiteers do not acknowledge some basic truths.

 

PH

[Tofer]

7 hours ago, oldhippy said:

Your crystal ball was undoubtedly manufactured in China.

 

I object - that's plaigiarism... ????

[Tofer]

4 hours ago, Phulublub said:

Pretty sure much of thre World is happy their leadership did not "safeguard" their citizens as well as BJ

 

Probably wouldn't have been in half as bad a situation, if we hadn't had to comply with the EU's open border requirements, and accept all those French navy escorted illegal migrants from France. You know, that supposed safe country, where they left these souls to fend for themselves in the squalor of the Calais camps, and allowed criminal traffickers to pray on them relatively unhindered, since they were unwilling / incapable of controlling a small 30 mile stretch of coastline whilst receiving £10'sM from the UK government to prevent it...

 

But you carry on blaming BJ, if it makes you feel vindicated.

[Tofer]

4 hours ago, david555 said:

the E.U. is not your border guard....doing the job for you ...

 

Just as well, since you could never manage it before we left, see my previous post.

[Tofer]

4 hours ago, sandyf said:

Reality is the implosion is far more likely in the UK.

 

Doom and gloom! Not an optimistic bone in your body I suggest.

[david555]

5 minutes ago, Tofer said:

 

Just as well, since you could never manage it before we left, see my previous post.

It was never intended to work for other gov. Anyway .......????

[Tofer]

4 hours ago, Hi from France said:

Now I'm quite worried with the UK - EU relations deteriorating very fast now, it's a harmless thing to have fanatical national - populist on a forum, but now we're getting to a very different stage, much beyond the Brexit trade deal question. 

 

So you should be. The EU's reprehensible behaviour is appalling.

[Tofer]

4 hours ago, Phulublub said:

The implication is that UK came first in protecting its citizens.  Utter baloney.  Many countries have done FAR better than both UK and EU.  Take off your sunglasses.  The sunny uplands are many many miles away

 

PH

 

We were discussing the vaccine rollout, before you engaged in your spiteful diatribe about the victims of the pandemic.

[Tofer]

4 hours ago, david555 said:

So you know what to do ....it is all yours ....i would even not  mind if you would filling that tunnel with concrete 

....and cancel those ferrys...

 

Yet more bitter and spiteful diatribe, completely misguiding the vein of the post.

[Tofer]

3 hours ago, david555 said:

Macron showed you something with Christmas ...????

 

Won't be long before Macron is showing us his tail between his legs, as he slinks away from the presidency... ????

[JonnyF]

2 hours ago, Phulublub said:

I keep saying "you knew what you voted for" against all the posts made by Brexiteers that show that, actually, they voted for many and varied different reasons.  Some contradictory,  and some consequences not even considered or thought about...but sadly not even now acknowldged.

 

"You knew what you voted for" is such a tired, cliched, lazy, unimaginative comment. The type of thing people trot out when they can't think of an intelligent comment to counter someone else's position. 

 

We voted to Leave the EU. We have now left the EU. The reasons behind wanting to leave the EU or remain in the EU are irrelevant. Democracy was upheld (finally) despite the numerous underhanded attempts by Remainers to disrespect the vote.

 

A simple question, upheld by Johnson's government.

 

[david555]

15 minutes ago, Tofer said:

 

Won't be long before Macron is showing us his tail between his legs, as he slinks away from the presidency... ????

Than you get Barnier in place most likely ..????

[Tofer]

31 minutes ago, david555 said:

It was never intended to work for other gov. Anyway .......

 

Well now, there's a glaring admission, so you took all those £10's of millions from the UK for nothing - devious b......s.

[vinny41]

4 minutes ago, david555 said:

Than you get Barnier in place most likely ..????

Poll puts Le Pen on 48% to threaten Macron for first time

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/marine-le-pen-closes-gap-with-macron-in-polls-nqdnfp7kl

[david555]

1 minute ago, vinny41 said:

Poll puts Le Pen on 48% to threaten Macron for first time

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/marine-le-pen-closes-gap-with-macron-in-polls-nqdnfp7kl

Pray it become Barnier as Marine  Lepen is a ultra nationalist ....not likely to become easy for U.K. 

So it is for U.K. the plague or the cholera wish....????

[Tofer]

9 minutes ago, david555 said:

Than you get Barnier in place most likely ..????

 

I wouldn't be so hopeful in your shoes, more likely Le Pen.... Enjoy your Frexit!

Edited January 29, 2021 by Tofer

[david555]

5 minutes ago, Tofer said:

 

Well now, there's a glaring admission, so you took all those £10's of millions from the UK for nothing - devious b......s.

They tried... but not so at your U.K.'s satisfaction ....maybe the money was toooo low...for a good result ? ????

[vinny41]

3 minutes ago, david555 said:

Pray it become Barnier as Marine  Lepen is a ultra nationalist ....not likely to become easy for U.K. 

So it is for U.K. the plague or the cholera wish....????

I suspect that you are praying for Barnier from my point of view up to the people of France to decide

[Tofer]

1 minute ago, david555 said:

They tried... but not so at your U.K.'s satisfaction ....maybe the money was toooo low...for a good result ? ????

 

The only thing they tried was to ensure the poor souls got to the channel border point, without any conscience for the potential consequences of sinking and drowning in unsafe and overcrowded dinghies.

[AmySeeker]

11 minutes ago, Tofer said:

 

I wouldn't be so hopeful in your shoes, more likely Le Pen.... Enjoy your Frexit!

 

Bizarrely despite her nationalistic rhetoric she wants to remain in the EU

[david555]

18 minutes ago, Tofer said:

 

I wouldn't be so hopeful in your shoes, more likely Le Pen.... Enjoy your Frexit!

Let see first the Scott's get their wish ...????

[Tofer]

1 minute ago, david555 said:

Let see first the Scott's get their wish ...????

 

They got it in 2014... ????

[david555]

1 minute ago, Tofer said:

 

They got it in 2014... ????

And so ..? New fact as said so plenty before ......they liked to stay in U.K. but there was no mention that time for Brexit ....changed circumstances so new one needed ...as they dont wanted to leave E.U. 

 

Anyway your Boris his headache now

[Loiner]

5 hours ago, Phulublub said:

EU pettiness?  What about UK pettiness in insisting that the first 100 million AZ stay in UK when they will not be able to adisnister them all before next batch is ready for delivery?  All a one way street with you isn't it?

 

PH

One way street with the EU, you’re kidding aren’t you?

It was one way for 47 years but all in the wrong direction. We have now made the U-turn and things will go in our decided direction, putting Britain first. Now there’s a catchy slogan for you. 

[vinny41]

11 minutes ago, david555 said:

And so ..? New fact as said so plenty before ......they liked to stay in U.K. but there was no mention that time for Brexit ....changed circumstances so new one needed ...as they dont wanted to leave E.U. 

 

Anyway your Boris his headache now

That's incorrect

European Union (Referendum) Bill 2013–14

The bill's first reading in the House of Commons was made on 19 June 2013.[10] It received its second reading on 5 July 2013 by 304 votes to none after almost all Labour MPs and all Liberal Democrat MPs abstained.[11] It then progressed through its Committee and Report Stages between July and November 2013 and finally cleared the Commons in November 2013.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_(Referendum)_Bill_2013–14#cite_note-10

 

So the whole of the UK was aware that a Referendum was in the offing

[Tofer]

2 hours ago, Phulublub said:

I think you might find the UK ordered 60 million doses from GSK/Sanofi Pastuer.

 

I'm struggling to find that nugget, so would appreciate a link, especially if they paid over any money.

 

I would also like to know if they refunded that money when they abandoned their attempt to produce it?

[Tofer]

1 hour ago, AmySeeker said:

Bizarrely despite her nationalistic rhetoric she wants to remain in the EU

 

Really - poor deluded soul. Let's hope she at least has the strength of character to allow the populace the opportunity to decide for themselves.

[david555]

32 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

That's incorrect

European Union (Referendum) Bill 2013–14

The bill's first reading in the House of Commons was made on 19 June 2013.[10] It received its second reading on 5 July 2013 by 304 votes to none after almost all Labour MPs and all Liberal Democrat MPs abstained.[11] It then progressed through its Committee and Report Stages between July and November 2013 and finally cleared the Commons in November 2013.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_(Referendum)_Bill_2013–14#cite_note-10

 

So the whole of the UK was aware that a Referendum was in the offing

But not done and result unknown at the time ......

Funny to see the full media offensive on Express pages about N.Sturgeon ...looks like a panic effort from England....????