Trump's coming impeachment trial aggravates rift among Republicans

[Eric Loh]

20 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

This is ridiculous. Just plays into Trump's hands. Keeps him in the news and, if convicted, makes a martyr of him in the eyes of 74 million people. Pathetic, stupid move by Pelosi and her sycophants.

You place your expectation much too high on Trump. A meager crowd of only 200 including his families saw him off at Joint Base Andrew. He has lost whatever remaining credibility with many of his supporters at his own doing on his final days culminating in the Capitol Hill riot. He must be held accountable for inciting the riot. If not, it will only encourage future Trump wannabees.  

[candide]

3 hours ago, puck2 said:

 

I'm not sure. I think you overestimate the intelligence of REP-voters. Look at November 3, 2016.

Maybe.

However:

- as mentioned by JTown, it will divide the GOP in both cases,

- this time, the GOP cannot prevent witnesses from being called and Trump cannot use executive power to silence anyone.

[earlinclaifornia]

8 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

This is a must watch.  Shows why Trump's supporters live in an alternate reality.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/media/2021/01/24/fox-news-newsmax-coverage-of-biden-administration-political-divide-stelter-rs-vpx.cnn

I frequently go to Fox to see how the day is being viewed by those who rarely think like I do and this explains the picture clearly. One point I have finally understood out of all of this. I personally need to LISTEN.

[earlinclaifornia]

4 hours ago, KarenBravo said:

Marco just doesn't get it.

It's not about removing a man from office that has already gone.

It's about the Republican party ensuring it's survival by not having to compete against a rabid Trumpist party and trying to save a scrap of its remaining credibility.

Watch 'em mess it all up.

As an ardent Independent I actually clamor for Republican speak. I will never ever listen to a trump follower. I am too smart to fall for it.

[Pique Dard]

11 hours ago, webfact said:

Trump's coming impeachment trial aggravates rift among Republicans

trump has been kicked from the white house, nonetheless many republicans  fear him because he remains a spiteful kingmaker

[candide]

2 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

You place your expectation much too high on Trump. A meager crowd of only 200 including his families saw him off at Joint Base Andrew. He has lost whatever remaining credibility with many of his supporters at his own doing on his final days culminating in the Capitol Hill riot. He must be held accountable for inciting the riot. If not, it will only encourage future Trump wannabees.  

I fully agree with you. Trump has no way to become president again and the only impact he can have is to divide the Republican party.

But It's not only about Trump. The key issue is to prevent the loser of future elections to do the same as Trump.

 

Do we want that at every presidential election, the loser (whatever his party) will evoke any B.S. or conspiracy theory to claim the election were rigged, pressure its party's lawmakers or other officials to overturn citizens' vote, and incite protests to stop a legitimate electoral process?

 

How can it be prevented if the first one to do that is not punished?

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, candide said:

I fully agree with you. Trump has no way to become president again and the only impact he can have is to divide the Republican party.

But It's not only about Trump. The key issue is to prevent the loser of future elections to do the same as Trump.

 

Do we want that at every presidential election, the loser (whatever his party) will evoke any B.S. or conspiracy theory to claim the election were rigged, pressure its party's lawmakers or other officials to overturn citizens' vote, and incite protests to stop a legitimate electoral process?

 

How can it be prevented if the first one to do that is not punished?

Sorry, but it's dangerous to assume that there is no way that he could be reelected. As long as he is legally allowed to run and not behind bars, there is a way. Remember what a joke he was back in the primaries in 2016? It can't happen, it'll never happen. It happened. 

Edited January 25, 2021 by Jingthing

[Jingthing]

2 hours ago, Pique Dard said:

trump has been kicked from the white house, nonetheless many republicans  fear him because he remains a spiteful kingmaker

There's more to it than that. He now has a new clever tactic. Threaten to create his own Maga or "Patriot" party and basically murder the republican party splitting the more right wing vote. Whether he's serious or not isn't the point. It's a very potent threat! 

Edited January 25, 2021 by Jingthing

[ExpatOK]

10 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Sorry, but it's dangerous to assume that there is no way that he could be reelected. As long as he is legally allowed to run and not behind bars, there is a way. Remember what a joke he was back in the primaries in 2016? It can't happen, it'll never happen. It happened. 

Agree. If President Trump runs in 2024 in a fair election, he will win. His supporters know this; his enemies know this. And if his enemies can't throw him in jail, they will resort to other means.

 

Yes, President Trump was considered a clown by the elites such as Pelosi. Now she and her ilk are obviously terrified of him.

[candide]

7 minutes ago, ExpatOK said:

Agree. If President Trump runs in 2024 in a fair election, he will win. His supporters know this; his enemies know this. And if his enemies can't throw him in jail, they will resort to other means.

 

Yes, President Trump was considered a clown by the elites such as Pelosi. Now she and her ilk are obviously terrified of him.

Why do you mention " in a fair election"?

[Salerno]

5 minutes ago, candide said:

Why do you mention " in a fair election"?

 

Kool aid overdose?

[Berkshire]

37 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Sorry, but it's dangerous to assume that there is no way that he could be reelected. As long as he is legally allowed to run and not behind bars, there is a way. Remember what a joke he was back in the primaries in 2016? It can't happen, it'll never happen. It happened. 

2016 will never happen again.  Back then, Trump was an unknown quantity who had convinced everyone he was a great businessman (Apprentice).  A lot of people took a chance on him.  But 4 years later, everyone knows what Trump is about.  Yes, there are Republicans who will never vote for a Democrat.  But they are vastly outnumbered.  Trump may get the Republican nomination, but he will never win a general election again.  Heck, just look at the 2020 election...even before the insurrection.

[Jingthing]

42 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

2016 will never happen again.  Back then, Trump was an unknown quantity who had convinced everyone he was a great businessman (Apprentice).  A lot of people took a chance on him.  But 4 years later, everyone knows what Trump is about.  Yes, there are Republicans who will never vote for a Democrat.  But they are vastly outnumbered.  Trump may get the Republican nomination, but he will never win a general election again.  Heck, just look at the 2020 election...even before the insurrection.

It's impossible to predict the political mood so far in advance.

I think Mr  Trump lost mostly because of his pandemic response.

Four years from now there will be different priorities and it might be Kamala Harris running instead of Biden. Don't underestimate the appeal of white nationalism to a large segment of the population. Not saying its likely Mr  trump will be president again but its foolish to judge it impossible unless he's banned from politics or imprisoned 

 

Edited January 25, 2021 by Jingthing

[Salerno]

8 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

but its foolish to judge it impossible unless he's banned from politics or imprisoned

 

I'd leave the "or" off. There is already a precedent for someone running from inside prison; I don't see him being in prison a determining factor to his cult following.

[Jingthing]

Just now, Salerno said:

 

I'd leave the "or" off. There is already a precedent for someone running from inside prison; I don't see him being in prison a determining factor to his cult following.

You're right. I had to look this up but it turns out a convicted felon is eligible to run for president. 

[crobe]

27 minutes ago, Salerno said:

 

I'd leave the "or" off. There is already a precedent for someone running from inside prison; I don't see him being in prison a determining factor to his cult following.

He may not go to jail, but he may be facing some financial ruin

Today Dominion has sued Trump's lawyer - Rudy Giuliani, for 1.3Billion dollars, the same as it is suing his other lawyer Sydney Powell for defamation in claiming that Dominion voting machines changed the votes from Trump to Biden.

Giuliani is on very shaky ground as he has made public statements about Dominion engaging in fraud, but refused to repeat these under oath during court cases, showing he knew the claims were false.

Dominion is already suing the Trump campaign

As Trump himself also made the same assertions in multiple tweets (Nov 12th et al), it will not be long before he is served with the same lawsuit.

OAN, Newsmax, Fox and other outlets have deleted their articles claiming Dominion fraud and in some cases issued retractions, but it remains to be seen if this is enough to fend off legal action.

Although Trump can use the money raised from suckers contributing to his campaign to settle that suit, he cannot use this for a personal suit against him.

Karma is a bitch

I wonder what Dominion are going to do with Mar-A-Lago?

Edited January 25, 2021 by crobe

[PattayaJames]

15 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

This is enough to justify impeachment.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/22/politics/trump-doj-attorney-plan-replace-acting-ag-false-election-claims/index.html

 

New York Times: Trump and DOJ attorney had plan to replace his acting AG and undo Georgia election result

 

Justice Department lawyer Jeffrey Clark nearly convinced then-President Donald Trump to remove then-acting Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen and use the Department of Justice to undo Georgia's election results, The New York Times reported Friday.

 

Clark -- who appealed to the former President's false claims of election fraud -- met with Trump earlier this month and told Rosen following the meeting that the then-President was going to replace him with Clark. Clark would then move to keep Congress from certifying the election results in then-President-elect Joe Biden's favor, according to the paper.

 

Well I have not read all your links, so forgive me if I am missing something.

 

But just from what you have posted, it seems obvious to me that if as you say "'Justice Department lawyer Jeffrey Clark nearly convinced then-President Donald Trump to remove then-acting Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen and use the Department of Justice to undo Georgia's election results".

 

Hardly seems to justify impeachment, having someone fail to convince you do do something?

 

Don't you think?

 

Edited January 25, 2021 by PattayaJames

[mistral53]

Its all about politics, not law or justice, it's theater for the plebs. Trump will not be impeached in the Senate, or it would be most certainly the end of the Republican party. Trump would make a serious effort to start a third party, and even if he cant run for office anymore, it would bleed enough votes from the Republican party that the Dems would be able to walk all over them in every coming election. The Republicans have a lot of stupid leaders, but insane they are not, their survival instinct will prevail.

[Meat Pie 47]

12 hours ago, KarenBravo said:

Republicans want to give a pass to a president that encouraged insurrection? An insurrection that they saw with their very own eyes? An insurrection that not only claimed five lives, but, imperiled some Republican members?

 

Do they know the meaning of the word Accountability and Consequences?

 

I hope TRump starts his own party and splits the right-wing vote so that they can never come to power again. Stick that where the sun don't shine Lindsay Graham and Mitch McConnell, the enablers in chief.

Here ya go

Donald Trump’s new Patriot Party plans to destroy his enemies among the Republican party with a $70 million war chest. This is how.

 

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/donald-trumps-patriot-party-plans-to-destroy-republicans/news-story/fb2fad849d33ef5e637fd4a7fd4b34c6

[Nout]

17 hours ago, scorecard said:

Agree, how true there's a lot to do at the moment but preventing trump from coming back ever again is also critical and cannot be pushed aside. And the process doesn't need to take that long.

 

Meanwhile Biden's teams can be 100% focused on Covid 19 stuff, their work doesn't need to be delayed. I can't accept that trump stuff needs to delay other processes. 

 

Further, I wonder if it's possible to pass an order that he is prohibited for life to be involved in any way in any form of politics or hold any position, official or otherwise which connects in any way to politics, any party. 

Your last paragraph is requesting the destruction of 'America'

[Sujo]

3 hours ago, Jingthing said:

You're right. I had to look this up but it turns out a convicted felon is eligible to run for president. 

Trump cant win from prison. He is banned from twitter, insta, fb etc. He would have no avenue to spout his racist tropes.

[Sujo]

9 minutes ago, Nout said:

Your last paragraph is requesting the destruction of 'America'

Trump tried that.

 

What the poster is saying is to banish those that want the destruction of America, trump.

[Tie Dye Samurai]

*Deleted post edited out*

 

Engage huh...you mean like ask them nicely, with a tone of compassion and sympathy,  "Why did you march down to and ransack The Capital while the election that Dear President lost was being certified? Why did you wave the Confederate Flag inside the People's House, weilding zip tie restraints, steal politicians notebooks, erect a gallows, chant "Hang Mike Pence" (you know, the VPOTUS at the time....yeah that guy)", attack police officers that you spent a whole summer claiming you support?

 

Oh and by the way, since we are being "engaging" and we certainly don't want to hurt your tender feelings or offend your delicate sensibilities anymore...the guy you worship so much who called that mob to assemble, incited them with a call to insurrection, gave them their marching orders and then sent them off to stop the certification of an election that HE LOST and have "Trial By Combat"? Well hell, that's all Ok....since he only had two weeks left in office....lets just let him go and let bygones be bygones....because even though he divided the country every chance he got for five years and all of you ate it up that division with a spoon everyday...now that you are on the losing side and the balance of power has shifted....NOW you think it is time for "healing". 

 

No...THE RIGHT THING TO DO...now is for reckoning, justice, consequences and atonement...and when that is done....either by Trump being convicted by the Senate or by Trump walking away...this is going down...so future Presidents at least think twice before they decide that insurrection and sedition are the way to keep and wield power in the United States. 

[Jeffr2]

1 hour ago, PattayaJames said:

 

Well I have not read all your links, so forgive me if I am missing something.

 

But just from what you have posted, it seems obvious to me that if as you say "'Justice Department lawyer Jeffrey Clark nearly convinced then-President Donald Trump to remove then-acting Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen and use the Department of Justice to undo Georgia's election results".

 

Hardly seems to justify impeachment, having someone fail to convince you do do something?

 

Don't you think?

 

Sad times when supposedly patriotic Americans are ok with their president committing sedition. Crazy.

 

Remember his call to the officials in Georgia trying to get them to change the vote totals?

 

Right....give the president a pass....

[Jeffr2]

1 hour ago, Meat Pie 47 said:

Here ya go

Donald Trump’s new Patriot Party plans to destroy his enemies among the Republican party with a $70 million war chest. This is how.

 

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/donald-trumps-patriot-party-plans-to-destroy-republicans/news-story/fb2fad849d33ef5e637fd4a7fd4b34c6

Good gosh. Trump and his enablers are insane. From that article. Election integrity? More like gerrymandering and spreading misinformation. Again. Stunning so many fall for it.

 

Mr Miller said Mr Trump intended to help Republicans win back the House and Senate in 2022 “to make sure that we can stop the Democratic craziness”, and that “you’re also going to see him emerge as the nation’s leader on ballot and voting integrity”.

[Scott]

A post containing false or misleading information has been removed.  Here's from Biden's remarks:

“Our focus will be on small businesses on Main Street that aren’t wealthy and well-connected, that are facing real economic hardships through no fault of their own,” Biden says. “Our priority will be Black, Latino, Asian and Native American-owned small businesses, women-owned businesses, and finally having equal access to resources needed to reopen and rebuild. But we’re going to make a concerted effort to help small businesses in low-income communities in big cities, small towns and rural communities that have faced systematic barriers to relief.”

 

https://news.yahoo.com/fact-check-biden-said-plans-032010894.html

 

Continue and face a suspension. 

 

[welovesundaysatspace]

1 hour ago, Meat Pie 47 said:

Here ya go

Donald Trump’s new Patriot Party plans to destroy his enemies among the Republican party with a $70 million war chest. This is how.

 

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/donald-trumps-patriot-party-plans-to-destroy-republicans/news-story/fb2fad849d33ef5e637fd4a7fd4b34c6

It’s already been filed with the election commission apparently: https://docquery.fec.gov/cgi-bin/forms/C00767251/1490249

[Salerno]

Pretty apt name for Trump's party.

 

"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel."

                                                             Samuel Johnson

 

[Jingthing]

Poor Republicans.

So far from God and so close to Donald Trump.

Can't live with him. Can't live without him.

 

[Meat Pie 47]

49 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Good gosh. Trump and his enablers are insane. From that article. Election integrity? More like gerrymandering and spreading misinformation. Again. Stunning so many fall for it.

 

Mr Miller said Mr Trump intended to help Republicans win back the House and Senate in 2022 “to make sure that we can stop the Democratic craziness”, and that “you’re also going to see him emerge as the nation’s leader on ballot and voting integrity”.

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