Biden takes sweeping steps to curb climate change, vows job creation

[Chomper Higgot]

I’ve said all along, Biden is going to be a lot more radical than people expect.

 

 

Which is a good thing.

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7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’ve said all along, Biden is going to be a lot more radical than people expect.

 

 

Which is a good thing.

Lots of sulking Bernie supporters just won't let go. Progressives like Paul Krugman, Jordan Weissman, and Dean Baker disagree with them.

[Chomper Higgot]

7 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Lots of sulking Bernie supporters just won't let go. Progressives like Paul Krugman, Jordan Weissman, and Dean Baker disagree with them.

The Green Deal by any other name, or indeed no name at all.

 

That'll do nicely thank you.

 

 

[OZinPattaya]

20 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’ve said all along, Biden is going to be a lot more radical than people expect.

 

 

Which is a good thing.

Yes, mass censorship of dissenting opinions, racial identity politics run amok, the triumph of all things politically correct--just awesome. I can't wait for four years of this until it makes rational people want to puke and then a president three times worse than Trump gets elected in 2024.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, OZinPattaya said:

Yes, mass censorship of dissenting opinions, racial identity politics run amok, the triumph of all things politically correct--just awesome. I can't wait for four years of this until it makes rational people want to puke and then a president three times worse than Trump gets elected in 2024.

Got anything fact based you wish to share with us?

[Jingthing]

29 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’ve said all along, Biden is going to be a lot more radical than people expect.

 

 

Which is a good thing.

Yeah, it's amazing what a very old white man can get away with that Barack Hussein Obama couldn't. Say it is so, Joe!

 

I wouldn't say radical though. I would say RATIONAL. 

Edited January 28, 2021 by Jingthing

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13 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Got anything fact based you wish to share with us?

Ozinpattaya's remarks belong to that class of beliefs known as Political Pavlovianism.

Edited January 28, 2021 by placeholder

[Sujo]

5 minutes ago, OZinPattaya said:

Yes, mass censorship of dissenting opinions, racial identity politics run amok, the triumph of all things politically correct--just awesome. I can't wait for four years of this until it makes rational people want to puke and then a president three times worse than Trump gets elected in 2024.

Why do you wish bad things on america.

[Scott]

Off-topic posts and replies removed.  The topic is about Climate Change.

 

 

[BusyB]

6 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

I seem to recall another recent Democrat president saying under his leadership, the earth would begin to heal and the sea levels would even stop their rise...how has that worked out? I guess we're just back to the future.

“[T]his was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal ..." Barack Obama upon winning the Democratic nomination for president conveys his thinking of what that means for the world. June 3, 2008

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/547906-this-was-the-moment-when-the-rise-of-the-oceans

 

And some people say President Trump suffers from megalomania. 

 

Oh dear.

[sirineou]

So much resistance by some, fighting against their best interest. 

Don't want to go in debt  doing good things for themselves, but have no trouble , screaming "we are number one" while going into debt in wars killing brown people. 

If we are wrong about  the relationship of pollution to global warming ,we will have a little bit less money  but  a clean world

where if you are wrong , you   will have a little more money , but no world, and then you are you going to need.  off planet banking ???? 

Edited January 28, 2021 by sirineou

[Pro1Expat]

Nice promise but very much doubt if the reality will match the promise

[Scott]

Off-topic, troll post and replies removed.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

7 hours ago, Tug said:

True temp jobs installing a pipeline to move tar sands oil that is extremely difficult to refine pollution intensive not economically viable rite now that a lot of folks don’t want imo we should be working on less harmful forms of energy so projects like this aren’t needed or even considered let’s employ 22,000 folks on renewables 

I doubt that renewables will need 22,000 workers, as most of it will probably be automated manufacturing using robots. Where humans will be needed as in transport and erection, I doubt many will be needed and the wages will likely be no where as good as they were getting on the pipeline.

BTW, the tar sand oil is apparently coming in by rail, and that will likely continue. The pipeline would, IMO, have been more environmentally friendly to transport the oil.

[Credo]

25 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I doubt that renewables will need 22,000 workers, as most of it will probably be automated manufacturing using robots. Where humans will be needed as in transport and erection, I doubt many will be needed and the wages will likely be no where as good as they were getting on the pipeline.

BTW, the tar sand oil is apparently coming in by rail, and that will likely continue. The pipeline would, IMO, have been more environmentally friendly to transport the oil.

Why on earth would you build an expensive pipeline for a product that you ultimately do not plan on using?   In particular, Tar Sand Oil is probably the dirtiest oil on earth.  The unused part, of which there is a lot, is called petcoke and is a very hazardous material.  

 

So there is a low grade, extremely environmentally hazardous product being imported with the nasty residue piling up at US refineries.   Not a good plan.   

 

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1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I doubt that renewables will need 22,000 workers, as most of it will probably be automated manufacturing using robots. Where humans will be needed as in transport and erection, I doubt many will be needed and the wages will likely be no where as good as they were getting on the pipeline.

BTW, the tar sand oil is apparently coming in by rail, and that will likely continue. The pipeline would, IMO, have been more environmentally friendly to transport the oil.

Because looking things up takes too much effort?

"But data collected by BW Research Partnership Inc. and shared exclusively with Morning Consult indicates that Trump’s picture of robust oil and gas employment threatened by the Democrats’ insistence on transitioning to renewables is not consistent with actual job figures. Since the president took office, the renewables sector has employed nearly three times as many people as the fossil fuels sector; in 2019, they had 3.36 million and 1.19 million workers, respectively.

And between 2016 and 2019, the renewables sector added more than double the jobs that fossil fuels did, increasing its total workforce by roughly 207,000 people, mostly in energy efficiency."

https://morningconsult.com/2020/10/30/renewables-fossil-fuels-jobs-election/#:~:text=Since the president took office,and 1.19 million workers%2C respectively.

 

[Jeffr2]

12 hours ago, ExpatOK said:

I'm sure you and several others on the forum feel biden_i and his efforts are "double plus good" but not everyone agrees. These actions are job killers.

You must have missed this article.  Seems Biden's plan was better than Trump's.  Who would have guessed?

 

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/09/economist-biden-plan-creates-7-million-more-jobs-than-trump.html

Economic Forecast: Biden Plan Will Create 7 Million More Jobs Than Trump

 

Moody’s Analytics, an economic-research firm, has published an economic forecast weighing the effects of Joe Biden and Donald Trump’s proposals. It finds Biden’s plan would produce dramatically faster job growth and higher wages for most workers.

Biden’s proposals would lead to 18.6 million new jobs during his first term, and the average American’s income (after taxes) would increase by $4,800. Trump’s policies would lead to an increase of 11.2 million new jobs by 2025, with minimal real income gain for average households.

[earlinclaifornia]

On 1/28/2021 at 4:26 PM, Isaan sailor said:

He closed Keystone Pipeline project, killing 11,000 American jobs.  He suspended drilling leases on government property and Gulf of Mexico.  This looks like a death blow for the oil industry.  How about keeping the industry alive until you can replace the jobs you ended?

Fox talking point is Fake news dude.

I like taking all the unemployed and hiring them to make solar panels. You did know China subsidized the largest panel maker in China  to BUY the industry years ago

Edited January 29, 2021 by earlinclaifornia

[PattayaJames]

16 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

You must have missed this article.  Seems Biden's plan was better than Trump's.  Who would have guessed?

 

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/09/economist-biden-plan-creates-7-million-more-jobs-than-trump.html

Economic Forecast: Biden Plan Will Create 7 Million More Jobs Than Trump

 

Moody’s Analytics, an economic-research firm, has published an economic forecast weighing the effects of Joe Biden and Donald Trump’s proposals. It finds Biden’s plan would produce dramatically faster job growth and higher wages for most workers.

Biden’s proposals would lead to 18.6 million new jobs during his first term, and the average American’s income (after taxes) would increase by $4,800. Trump’s policies would lead to an increase of 11.2 million new jobs by 2025, with minimal real income gain for average households.

 

Well let's hope their predictions are more accurate than 4 years ago.  

 

Trump’s policies would cause ‘lengthy recession’: Moody’s

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/21/trumps-policies-would-cause-lengthy-recession-moodys.html

 

“During Mr. Trump’s presidency, the average American household’s after-inflation income will stagnate, and stock prices and real house values will decline.”

 

Moody’s estimates that the recession from Trump’s proposals would run from 2018 into 2020, during which time GDP would fall 2.4 percent, or more than the decline during the Great Recession, while the jobless rate would peak at 7.4 percent in 2021

Edited January 29, 2021 by PattayaJames

[stevenl]

On 1/28/2021 at 12:53 PM, Pattaya Spotter said:

 

I didn't misunderstand or twist anything.<snip>

Yes you did twist. He said 'slow the rise' you said 'stop the rise'.

[Jeffr2]

9 hours ago, PattayaJames said:

 

Well let's hope their predictions are more accurate than 4 years ago.  

 

Trump’s policies would cause ‘lengthy recession’: Moody’s

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/21/trumps-policies-would-cause-lengthy-recession-moodys.html

 

“During Mr. Trump’s presidency, the average American household’s after-inflation income will stagnate, and stock prices and real house values will decline.”

 

Moody’s estimates that the recession from Trump’s proposals would run from 2018 into 2020, during which time GDP would fall 2.4 percent, or more than the decline during the Great Recession, while the jobless rate would peak at 7.4 percent in 2021

And they were spot on.  Look where we are now.

[Scott]

Off-topic, troll post and reply removed.