Nationwide inoculation to kick off in June, Johnson & Johnson makes registration move

[webfact]

Nationwide inoculation to kick off in June, Johnson & Johnson makes registration move

By The Nation

 

 

A concrete plan for nationwide Covid-19 inoculation should be ready by mid this month, Dr Sophon Mekthon, chair of the government’s sub-committee on Covid-19 vaccine management, said on Monday.

 

“We have already prepared a national inoculation plan, which will officially kick off in June once Siam Bioscience starts producing the AstraZeneca vaccine,” Dr Sophon said.

 

Meanwhile, Johnson and Johnson has reportedly put in for vaccine registration, but the option will only be seriously considered 30 days after all documents are received.

 

Johnson and Johnson is currently studying the effectiveness of single-dose vaccines.

 

“If any vaccine company contacts us, it will go through the system immediately. AstraZeneca was expected to send its first batch of vaccines early this month, but due to restrictions placed by the European Union, we will need to extend the delivery period,” Sophon said.

 

National Vaccine Institute director Dr Nakorn Premsri said Thailand has not blocked opportunities for other companies, such as Johnson and Johnson or Novavax.

 

Separately, Sinovac has yet to send all the documentation required for approval, as it is still waiting for full approval from Chinese authorities.

 

Thailand has put in for 2 million doses from the Chinese firm and the Thai Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is currently studying the effectiveness and side effects of the Sinovac vaccine before it is given the go-ahead for emergency use in the country.

 

Source: https://www.nationthailand.com/news/30402114

 

 

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[ThailandRyan]

1 hour ago, webfact said:

Meanwhile, Johnson and Johnson has reportedly put in for vaccine registration, but the option will only be seriously considered 30 days after all documents are received.

Put me in coach, my daughter who works in a Covid unit in the US has said, that the Moderna vaccination hurts like hell, with many of her colleagues becoming sick or bedridden for just a few days after wards.  She has heard that the J&J Vaccine, even though not as effective percentage wise is a one shot injection and does not hurt like someone punched you, like Moderna, from the studies she has read.

 

I will take a J&J Vaccination if approved for use here. 

[impulse]

So, in the USA, almost 10% of the people have already received their first of 2 jabs, and in Thailand, they're 4-5 months away from even starting?

 

 

Edited February 1, 2021 by impulse

[cdemundo]

49 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Put me in coach, my daughter who works in a Covid unit in the US has said, that the Moderna vaccination hurts like hell, with many of her colleagues becoming sick or bedridden for just a few days after wards.  She has heard that the J&J Vaccine, even though not as effective percentage wise is a one shot injection and does not hurt like someone punched you, like Moderna, from the studies she has read.

 

I will take a J&J Vaccination if approved for use here. 

YMMV.  I have had 1st and 2nd Moderna vaccine with zero side effects.

The second shot I didn't feel at all, I asked the guy, "Did you give the shot already?" and he held up the empty syringe.  Weird that here is so much variation. 

[impulse]

7 minutes ago, cdemundo said:

YMMV.  I have had 1st and 2nd Moderna vaccine with zero side effects.

The second shot I didn't feel at all, I asked the guy, "Did you give the shot already?" and he held up the empty syringe.  Weird that here is so much variation. 

 

You must not have gotten Nurse Ratched...

 

[bkk6060]

Well reported a small fraction of people get reactions from vaccination.

The vaccine stimulates a strong immune response and can in limited cases, make one feel unwell for a few days.

But, what is worse that or Covid?

I am ready for it except no China or Russia jab.

[FarFlungFalang]

51 minutes ago, impulse said:

So, in the USA, almost 10% of the people have already received their first of 2 jabs, and in Thailand, they're 4-5 months away from even starting?

 

 

That's because they are rated 4th in the world for being able to deal with covid and 104th for corruption and transparency.

[FarFlungFalang]

35 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

You must not have gotten Nurse Ratched...

 

Is it medication time?

[Thaiophil]

3 hours ago, webfact said:

“If any vaccine company contacts us, it will go through the system immediately.

At a time when govts around the world are pushing the manufacturers for early supply, the strategy is to wait for them to come calling. Why would they? ????????

Edited February 2, 2021 by Thaiophil

[Bkk Brian]

4 hours ago, webfact said:

“If any vaccine company contacts us, it will go through the system immediately.

Seek and you shall find, wait and you will be last in the queue..............again

[edwinchester]

2 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

Put me in coach, my daughter who works in a Covid unit in the US has said, that the Moderna vaccination hurts like hell, with many of her colleagues becoming sick or bedridden for just a few days after wards.  She has heard that the J&J Vaccine, even though not as effective percentage wise is a one shot injection and does not hurt like someone punched you, like Moderna, from the studies she has read.

 

I will take a J&J Vaccination if approved for use here. 

Both my daughters work for the NHS in the UK and they and their colleagues have all had the Moderna vaccine. Non reported major side effects, my daughter's only reported a slight ache for a day at the injection site.

[mtls2005]

Interesting that even the most minor issue here warrants the formation of a committee or three.

 

But vaccines? Seems to be done behind the curtain.

 

If past performance is any indication of future results, the vaccine thing will be a dumpster fire of epic proportions, with a heavy does of corruption.

 

 

 

 

[DLock]

4 hours ago, webfact said:

“We have already prepared a national inoculation plan, which will officially kick off in June once Siam Bioscience starts producing the AstraZeneca vaccine,” Dr Sophon said.

 

...relying on SB could be a major mistake.

 

The confusion, arrogance and changing storyline of the flawed Thai vaccine strategy will be replayed out in the media daily for the next year.

 

Fail.

[mtls2005]

Personally, I'd put deputy agriculture minister Thammanat Prompao in charge of vaccines.

 

He has the requisite experience.

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

Personally, I'd put deputy agriculture minister Thammanat Prompao in charge of vaccines.

 

He has the requisite experience.

 

 

His mates have already been busted.

 

Police departments in Jiangsu, Beijing and Shandong have arrested more than 80 people involved in producing more than 3,000 fake Covid-19 vaccine doses, Xinhua News Agency reported

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/02/01/asia/china-fake-covid-vaccines-intl/index.html

[madmitch]

After taking such decisive and draconian action in preventing the spread of covid, I don't understand why they have been so far behind in their vaccination programme.

 

We have people suggesting opening the country to vaccinated persons but surely I can't see it happening until the majority of people in Thailand have also had their jabs.

[Orton Rd]

'Once Siam Bioscience (a company I believe with no history of doing so), starts to produce the vaccine'. Probably could have been producing vaccine already if differently organized?

[Orton Rd]

31 minutes ago, DLock said:

 

...relying on SB could be a major mistake.

 

The confusion, arrogance and changing storyline of the flawed Thai vaccine strategy will be replayed out in the media daily for the next year.

 

Fail.

 

Not likely here though as it will be against the law and national security if too much light is shed on it

[Thai Dan]

There a so many GOOD reasons to go for the Johnson & Johnson vaccine if it becomes available here.  I'm not sure of the rules here about posting links to videos, but I'm going to do so until told otherwise for now (sorry if it's against the rules, Mods).

 

Johnson & Johnson's One-Dose Vaccine Results | A Doctor Explains

 

I actually had this vaccine recommended to me back on 17 December as the safest and possibly most effective of them all.  Now the evidence is coming in and the J&J vaccine would absolutely be my choice for my family (all ages & locations in the world) and myself.

 

Good luck everyone!

[ChakaKhan]

3 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

wise is a one shot injection and does not hurt like someone punched you, like Moderna

Sounds like a bar alcohol fueled night out with a bargirl, that turned out to be a angry ladyboy, named Moderna  ????

[Poet]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

Meanwhile, Johnson and Johnson has reportedly put in for vaccine registration, but the option will only be seriously considered 30 days after all documents are received.

This so beautifully captures the lethal arrogance of Thai bureaucracy.

 

 

[DLock]

14 minutes ago, Orton Rd said:

 

Not likely here though as it will be against the law and national security if too much light is shed on it

 

Agreed. The delays will be explained with "extra testing because we don't want to risk the Thai people"...

 

...but we all know the truth.

[FarFlungFalang]

28 minutes ago, madmitch said:

After taking such decisive and draconian action in preventing the spread of covid, I don't understand why they have been so far behind in their vaccination programme.

 

We have people suggesting opening the country to vaccinated persons but surely I can't see it happening until the majority of people in Thailand have also had their jabs.

I think they are "behind" because the measures they have taken have been so successful and the vaccines are going to countries that are have much more difficulties with the virus,which is quite logical really.

[Orton Rd]

2 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

I think they are "behind" because the measures they have taken have been so successful and the vaccines are going to countries that are have much more difficulties with the virus,which is quite logical really.

The problem concerns producing the vaccine here, not the ones imported, like the 2 mil Chinese one or as reportedly offered and turned down, from India

[Cake Monster]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

Separately, Sinovac has yet to send all the documentation required for approval, as it is still waiting for full approval from Chinese authorities.

Guess that they dont have the Documentation required for International Distribution and compliance.

[Searat7]

4 hours ago, cdemundo said:

YMMV.  I have had 1st and 2nd Moderna vaccine with zero side effects.

The second shot I didn't feel at all, I asked the guy, "Did you give the shot already?" and he held up the empty syringe.  Weird that here is so much variation. 

I had the exact same experience with the second Pfizer vaccine last week...did not feel a thing. 

[Dagfinnur Traustason]

Ok, now they soon have a plan. Only one piece missing. The vaccine! ????

[Patong2021]

5 hours ago, cdemundo said:

YMMV.  I have had 1st and 2nd Moderna vaccine with zero side effects.

The second shot I didn't feel at all, I asked the guy, "Did you give the shot already?" and he held up the empty syringe.  Weird that here is so much variation. 

 

There are many factors which impact the impact of many vaccines. I was very surprised when I read some of the information, much of it seemingly obvious too;

- Time of day, with better results and fewer complications with early in the day injection

- Fatigue. A good nights sleep and without being exhausted.

- Alcohol use in the week prior to and the weeks after vaccine dose

- Emotional stability of patient. People who expect adverse reaction will experience the adverse reaction.

 

One of the  things that drives me up the wall is when the media reports "health care" workers including "nurses" refusing or hesitating to accept vaccine, or reporting negative position.  On closer look these people are orderlies, and personal care attendants, who typically have no health care education beyond practical care. The nurses are not 4 year university term and hospital learning stage educated but are "practical" nurses or assistant  nurses who attend a short training program and have no education in health sciences. We do not hear of MDs, or Fellows, or advanced trained nurses having these negative results. I do not think the education gives special protection, but the less educated are more susceptible to suggestion.

 

 

[DefaultName]

7 hours ago, webfact said:

.........

 

Meanwhile, Johnson and Johnson has reportedly put in for vaccine registration, but the option will only be seriously considered 30 days after all documents are received.

 

.........

What the hell?  It shouldn't be 30 days, it shouldn't be 10 days, it shouldn't be tomorrow.  Consider it ON THE DAY you get the documents.  There's a bleeping pandemic on <deleted>, normal practices won't do the job.  ADAPT!!!

[cdemundo]

18 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

There are many factors which impact the impact of many vaccines. I was very surprised when I read some of the information, much of it seemingly obvious too;

- Time of day, with better results and fewer complications with early in the day injection

- Fatigue. A good nights sleep and without being exhausted.

- Alcohol use in the week prior to and the weeks after vaccine dose

- Emotional stability of patient. People who expect adverse reaction will experience the adverse reaction.

 

One of the  things that drives me up the wall is when the media reports "health care" workers including "nurses" refusing or hesitating to accept vaccine, or reporting negative position.  On closer look these people are orderlies, and personal care attendants, who typically have no health care education beyond practical care. The nurses are not 4 year university term and hospital learning stage educated but are "practical" nurses or assistant  nurses who attend a short training program and have no education in health sciences. We do not hear of MDs, or Fellows, or advanced trained nurses having these negative results. I do not think the education gives special protection, but the less educated are more susceptible to suggestion.

 

 

 

It's hard to question people who have had bad outcomes that they relate to past vaccinations.

For instance was a bad health experience after a vaccination caused by the vaccination with certainty?

I wonder if "People who expect adverse reaction will experience the adverse reaction." explains a lot of it.  People have told me that they were sick for a week after the flu shot.  Too many people have told me about adverse outcomes compared to published statistics on adverse outcomes from flu jab.

I hate to see people risk COVID due to past bad experience with flu jab making them afraid of the current vaccines, but it is not possible to convince someone that their experience is wrong.