UK asks EU for Brexit grace period extension to 2023, BBC reports

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, transam said:

Seems my anti-Brit thing hurts, just like my history lessons.......????

It doesn’t hurt at all old chap, like your self styled  ‘history lessons’ it’s all petty nationalism.

[transam]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

It doesn’t hurt at all old chap, like your self styled  ‘history lessons’ it’s all petty nationalism.

For us non lefty's it's not......................????

[Loiner]

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

But it’s not the EU begging for a grace period.

 

Doh!

No, the EU were begging for a full Transition Period extension, with all their benefits that come with that. 

After Boris stood up to them, they oppose a grace period in some minor areas. 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, Loiner said:

No, the EU were begging for a full Transition Period extension, with all their benefits that come with that. 

After Boris stood up to them, they oppose a grace period in some minor areas. 

 

Link? 

[stevenl]

7 hours ago, Tofer said:

 No, they are applying punishment tactics, a clear display of their bitterness, and fear of the UK succeeding.

 

The EU are happy to try to circumnavigate the rules when it suits them, e.g. the rules of business related to the covid vaccines.....

Your opinion not supported by facts.

[Loiner]

28 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Link? 

Memory failing or can’t be bothered to look it up?

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Memory failing or can’t be bothered to look it up?

You made the claim, now back it up.

[Loiner]

51 minutes ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

If you make a single job too big to comprehend then you are mismanaging the situation.... you break that job into smaller more manageable jobs and implement it over  longer period of time.  The offer was on the table to extend the transition period - which would have allowed it. 

You are the one having a comprehension problem. Why don’t you break it down and see what has been prepared in jobs that are manageable for you. You will find the government has made massive preparations. 

Extension to the Transition Period was just another EU and Remainer ploy to keep us in the EU. 

[Loiner]

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You made the claim, now back it up.

 

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You made the claim, now back it up.

If you want it, go get it. I don’t dance for you. 

[bannork]

Only 10,000 of the 50,000 customs officials have been employedso far, tsk,tsk.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/fury-at-gove-as-exports-to-eu-slashed-by-68-since-brexit/ar-BB1ds8Hq?MSCC=1603695740

 

[candide]

2 hours ago, Surelynot said:

Serious question....is the same paperwork that every "third" country has been using for decades or is this all new paper  recently invented by the EU just for the UK?

Same rules are applied. If you have time, you can check what is applied to Canada.

https://www.tradecommissioner.gc.ca/guides/eu_export-guide_ue.aspx?lang=eng#3

 

A consolation for our Brexiteer friends, UK will apply similar rules from 1 July (vet certificate already from 1 April).

 

Edited February 7, 2021 by candide

[Hi from France]

5 hours ago, vogie said:

It's not what you prefer, it's what the EU tells you you can have.

Did you change your mind? I thought you said "the EU" is not a country. 

 

The EU does (or indeed does not) what member states assign it to do, each member state can veto or indeed diverge. Like the UK approving the Pfizer vaccine in December or Hungary approving the Russian and Chinese vaccine now. 

 

 

Now in the UK, it's different, particularly for non-English nations 

Quote

It's not what you prefer, it's what Boris tells you you can have. 

 

 

 

If the Scots wanted the Russian vaccine, do you think Boris would let them? 

[Hi from France]

3 hours ago, Loiner said:

If it is a grace period there is no need for the U.K. to offer anything in return. That’s why it would be called ‘grace’ - given freely in good grace. 

As for me, I have been reading you for a while

 

.. and guess what. 

 

I'm not inclined to give you anything "freely in good grace". That would be extremely naive to keep on being nice to the national - populists governing the UK. 

 

Now it's tit for tat. 

 

. 

Edited February 7, 2021 by Hi from France

[vogie]

1 hour ago, Hi from France said:

Did you change your mind? I thought you said "the EU" is not a country. 

 

The EU does (or indeed does not) what member states assign it to do, each member state can veto or indeed diverge. Like the UK approving the Pfizer vaccine in December or Hungary approving the Russian and Chinese vaccine now. 

 

 

Now in the UK, it's different, particularly for non-English nations 

 

 

 

If the Scots wanted the Russian vaccine, do you think Boris would let them? 

Vous ete tres drole monsieur, calm yourself down, its not worth upsetting yourself like this.

 

The EU can do whatever it likes, as it has proven, it can even incite unrest in NI at the drop of a hat, totally disgracefull, they have upset the N & S of Ireland, many of their own comissioners have shown a concern to how UvdL is running  their parliament.

Marie Le Pen is coming up on the nearest rail, it must be getting squeaky bum time in the EU parliament and I don't think the Scots or anyone else in the UK has to worry about vaccines, remember Ursula von der Leyens Gerald Ratner moment, we are a speedboat and the EU is a rusty old tanker being left behind in the sea fret.

 

 

Edited February 7, 2021 by vogie

[Surelynot]

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2021/feb/07/the-assault-on-truth-by-peter-oborne-review-how-boris-johnson-played-the-press

 

Some on here would do well to read this....not the just the article.....but the book. Written by an ardent fan of both Johnson and Brexit.

[stevenl]

2 hours ago, Loiner said:

You are the one having a comprehension problem. Why don’t you break it down and see what has been prepared in jobs that are manageable for you. You will find the government has made massive preparations. 

Extension to the Transition Period was just another EU and Remainer ploy to keep us in the EU. 

"Extension to the Transition Period was just another EU and Remainer ploy to keep us in the EU. "

And the sad thing is you really are convinced this is true.

[7by7]

On 2/4/2021 at 2:21 PM, kingdong said:

Eu good uk bad,eu good uk bad.

 

If you say so.

 

Personally, I believe sometimes we are in the right, sometimes the EU are.

 

As it is our government who want to extend the previously agreed upon grace period, I fail to se how it is the EU's fault.

 

Although I know that there will always be those who will blame the EU for anything bad which happens in the UK!

[CG1 Blue]

2 hours ago, Hi from France said:

The EU does (or indeed does not) what member states assign it to do, each member state can veto or indeed diverge. Like the UK approving the Pfizer vaccine in December or Hungary approving the Russian and Chinese vaccine now. 

The UK was not a member state in December. We left in Jan 2020. 

Hungary only has a 6 month authorisation to use the Russian vaccine. The European Medicines Agency has to license any vaccine for use in EU countries, but they allow countries to license vaccines temporarily (how generous of them). 

 

The EU should be bending over backwards to help ease the the export issues for the UK. After all, our Oxford scientists produced a vaccine that is cheap and easy to store and therefore easy to roll out globally. The EU should be thankful for that. Plus if the EU do the decent thing we are more likely to help them out of their own self inflicted vaccine crisis. 

 

[7by7]

On 2/4/2021 at 2:31 PM, kingdong said:

Didn,t say i had a problem with the total 2.5 million eu citizens resident in the uk,just the ones on the ponce,i made that clear in my post,twisting again.

Not twisting.  As I made it clear in my post, the FoM directive prevents people using to FoM directive from coming to the UK purely to 'ponce,' i.e. claim benefits.

 

Of course, some may be claiming fraudulently. But surely even you are not so naïve to believe Brits don't do that, too.

 

If you are aware of anyone committing benefit fraud then, given your concern over benefit ponces, in all conscience you must do your civic duty and report them.

 

Twisting again? You mean like when you accused me of that and a direct link to your post in question proved I'd quoted you verbatim!

 

 

[7by7]

5 hours ago, Loiner said:

According to posts in this thread, the EU appears to have prepared new paperwork for post-Brexit trade. 

 Of course; the paperwork required under the trade agreement between us and the EU.

 

5 hours ago, Loiner said:

You would need advice from a third country if their paperwork has changed. 

Why would it? Unless the terms of the trade agreement between that country and the EU have changed.

 

5 hours ago, Loiner said:

The UK has introduced new paperwork, which has been prepared and rolled out over the past few years. 

Yes, we have introduced new paperwork, as required under the trade agreement between us and the EU.

 

But "rolled out over the past few years?" No.

 

HMRC has for many years issued guidance on what is required for British firms importing from or exporting to other countries. The EU had been excluded from this guidance while we were an EU member because we were in the customs union and sending goods from the UK to another member required the same customs and other legal paperwork as sending goods from, for example, Cornwall to Perthshire; i.e. none.

 

In fact, despite leaving the EU on 31/1/20, we were still effectively a member until the end of the transition period at midnight on 31/12/20; therefore still effectively in the customs union.

 

The government did start their campaign, including the TV ads with the smiley, happy people saying they were getting ready for Brexit, last July: Major new campaign to prepare UK for end of the transition period. But this campaign did not contain any specific details of what would be required for the simple reason that until the trade agreement had been signed, or we'd left with no deal, no one knew what would be required; either by us or the EU.

 

See also The Border Operating Model: "A guide to how the border with the European Union will work after the transition period."

 

Note it was originally published last July when no one knew what would be required. Six updates since; the first in October and then again 31 December 2020 "to reflect the FTA with the EU." Last update, so far, being on 6th January 2021.

[tebee]

6 hours ago, Loiner said:

 

Its only had 4 weeks. The Remainer businesses were hanging on to their hopes that the U.K. would collapse in the negotiations and agree to all EU demands and their cost status quo would continue. 

But we are not talking about businesses here, we are talking about this useless Tory government, who one would assume  knew exactly what sort of hard Brexit they were aiming for ?

 

Customs agents take a couple of years to train, computers systems that are not going to be ready for three years? 

 

It's almost as if they wanted Brexit but didn't want to pay for it.

 

Or maybe they didn't want to admit how much this Brexit is going to cost them and everybody else....

 

The EU managed it and were ready from day 1 - why not us seeing as we were the ones that wanted it ?  

 

[7by7]

5 hours ago, Loiner said:

No, the EU were begging for a full Transition Period extension, with all their benefits that come with that. 

After Boris stood up to them, they oppose a grace period in some minor areas. 

 

 

The EU begging for an extension? Wrong; again.

 

"The withdrawal agreement contains a provision which would have allowed the two sides to extend the transition period by mutual agreement – provided a decision was made by 30 June. Back in the spring EU leaders appeared open to just such an extension to allow both the EU and UK to focus on the pandemic response – but UK ministers refused to countenance this option, despite the clear risk that the government would still be battling coronavirus at the end of the year." (Source)

 

 

[7by7]

5 hours ago, Loiner said:

Memory failing or can’t be bothered to look it up?

 You're making the claim; up to you to provide the evidence with which to back it up.

 

But you can't; because, as shown above, your claim is nonsense, therefore such evidence doesn't exist! 

[Loiner]

3 hours ago, Hi from France said:

As for me, I have been reading you for a while

 

.. and guess what. 

 

I'm not inclined to give you anything "freely in good grace". That would be extremely naive to keep on being nice to the national - populists governing the UK. 

 

Now it's tit for tat. 

 

. 

It doesn’t really matter what your inclination is. Somebody else, probably a German, will decide for you. 

As for national - populist, that is what most countries need. Wouldn’t M. Macron be a prime example of one?

[Loiner]

35 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

Yes, we have introduced new paperwork, as required under the trade agreement between us and the EU.

 

But "rolled out over the past few years?" No.

You may only get your appreciation  of the government Brexit preparations from the TV adverts or what you read in the Grauniad. You are wrong and doing your twisting again. System and paperwork have been in preparation for the past few years and progressively rolled out for over a year. 

[Sujo]

4 minutes ago, Loiner said:

You may only get your appreciation  of the government Brexit preparations from the TV adverts or what you read in the Grauniad. You are wrong and doing your twisting again. System and paperwork have been in preparation for the past few years and progressively rolled out for over a year. 

In preparation. So its not done yet? If its ready then why beg for an extension.

[stevenl]

6 minutes ago, Loiner said:

You may only get your appreciation  of the government Brexit preparations from the TV adverts or what you read in the Grauniad. You are wrong and doing your twisting again. System and paperwork have been in preparation for the past few years and progressively rolled out for over a year. 

It should be clear to anyone observing this that UK was woefully unprepared, and is still not up to speed.

[Loiner]

29 minutes ago, tebee said:

But we are not talking about businesses here, we are talking about this useless Tory government, who one would assume  knew exactly what sort of hard Brexit they were aiming for ?

 

Customs agents take a couple of years to train, computers systems that are not going to be ready for three years? 

 

The EU managed it and were ready from day 1 - why not us seeing as we were the ones that wanted it ?  

 

No we are talking about some businesses in some sectors not being able to properly produce their paperwork. Nothing to do with a Tory government. 

 

New computer systems were being rolled out for over a year. Which do you think won’t be ready for three years. However did they manage to trade for forty six years and even the past year when we actually left?

 

its almost as if you believe that the sky is falling in. 

[tebee]

7 minutes ago, Loiner said:

You may only get your appreciation  of the government Brexit preparations from the TV adverts or what you read in the Grauniad. You are wrong and doing your twisting again. System and paperwork have been in preparation for the past few years and progressively rolled out for over a year. 

 

If they were so ready why are not bother checking incoming lorries from the EU until July?  6 months without sovereignty.   

[Loiner]

28 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

The EU begging for an extension? Wrong; again.

 

"The withdrawal agreement contains a provision which would have allowed the two sides to extend the transition period by mutual agreement – provided a decision was made by 30 June. Back in the spring EU leaders appeared open to just such an extension to allow both the EU and UK to focus on the pandemic response – but UK ministers refused to countenance this option, despite the clear risk that the government would still be battling coronavirus at the end of the year." (Source)

 

 

Gagging for it they were, especially the extended contributions which would have been due with an extended transition. They were all clamouring in June, until Boris said No to another extension. Well done Bozza, again.