18 hours ago, impulse said:

That's a scary precedent for journalism

Fox "News" is as alien to journalism as the Trump is to truth.........I watch Tucker Carlson for the first time in my life yesterday......OMG.......I was appalled at what he was spouting.......What is scary is the UK is going the same way very shortly and there will be no shortage of viewers 

18 hours ago, impulse said:

I remember decades ago when Lou Dobbs was a pretty good commentator.  Seeing him recently has really lowered my level of confidence in the guy.  So I'm not sad to see him leave.

 

But the reason behind his departure worries me.  All you have to do if you don't like what a commentator says about you or your company is to sue his network for $$ billions, and poof.  He goes away.

 

That's a scary precedent for journalism and the 4th Estate.  Even if you don't agree with the guy.

 

Prove inconclusively what you say is true, done deal!

7 minutes ago, J Town said:

Nope. They do NOT legally fabricate. Each news outlet has their own read on an issue, but when you fabricate, you get your network sued and you get kicked to the curb. Fox has a slew of those.

They do it all the the time. For example, https://www.discovermagazine.com/technology/the-quantum-internet-will-blow-your-mind-heres-what-it-will-look-like?utm_source=dscfb&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=dscfb. It just ain't right. This is what is called 'Quantum hype'. Yes, there are things that might/could/do travel faster than light, but information isn't one of them. It just journalistic fabrication...don't see anyone rushing to the courts, though.

IMO, Lou Dobbs was always a boring and lame commentator who was just confirming the confirmation bias of his audience

 

play them like a violin, good riddance

11 minutes ago, TKDfella said:

They do it all the the time. For example, https://www.discovermagazine.com/technology/the-quantum-internet-will-blow-your-mind-heres-what-it-will-look-like?utm_source=dscfb&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=dscfb. It just ain't right. This is what is called 'Quantum hype'. Yes, there are things that might/could/do travel faster than light, but information isn't one of them. It just journalistic fabrication...don't see anyone rushing to the courts, though.

This article has nothing to do with holding journalists accountable for lying to their viewers. Not even close. It's mildly interesting fiction.

 

Deny, Ignore, Lie, Deflect, Obfuscate

16 hours ago, impulse said:

 

Where were the defamation lawsuits when NPR was publishing stuff like this:

 

https://www.npr.org/2019/09/04/755066523/cyber-experts-warn-of-vulnerabilities-facing-2020-election-machines

 

And the NYT was publishing stuff like this:

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/26/magazine/election-security-crisis-midterms.html

 

And Scientific American was publishing stuff like this:

 

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-vulnerabilities-of-our-voting-machines/

 

And the BBC was publishing stuff like this:

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-45680490

 

And WIRED was publishing stuff like this:

 

https://www.wired.com/story/voting-machine-meltdowns-midterm-elections-2018/

 

And ABC News was publishing stuff like this:

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/online-vulnerable-experts-find-nearly-three-dozen-u-s-voting-n1112436?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma

 

The most secure election in history.  Yeah, right.   Exactly what changed since 2018/2019?  

Valid question. The answer, apparently is that there were no valid legal grounds to file a law suit. And therein is the difference.

Good good good

20 hours ago, PremiumLane said:

The dude knowing lied, repeatedly, even after being told what he was saying was utter bs, 

 

That is not journalism.

If that is the case why is Rachel Madcow still around after the RUSSIANS ARE COMING THE RUSSIANS ARE COMEING COVERAGE.  

 

Then of course there is the Clinton/Cuomo News Network

 

Journalism died long ago.  I remember when Ted Turner actually owned and ran CNN it was as good network with good coverage.

 

There is one other thing tht people tend to forget guys like Larry King ( RIP) Bill O'Reilly and Dobbs have been in the business and popular for so long that their contracts become almost too expensive.  Therefore if the companies get a chance to dump them they take it.

 

Also Fox needs to change things up a bit or they risk becoming the bitter GOP network or TRUMP NEWS.

21 hours ago, impulse said:

I remember decades ago when Lou Dobbs was a pretty good commentator.  Seeing him recently has really lowered my level of confidence in the guy.  So I'm not sad to see him leave.

 

But the reason behind his departure worries me.  All you have to do if you don't like what a commentator says about you or your company is to sue his network for $$ billions, and poof.  He goes away.

 

That's a scary precedent for journalism and the 4th Estate.  Even if you don't agree with the guy.

 

Fox never stated the reason. If the reason was because of the suit then why are the others named in the suit still having their shows.

20 minutes ago, kingstonkid said:

If that is the case why is Rachel Madcow still around after the RUSSIANS ARE COMING THE RUSSIANS ARE COMEING COVERAGE.  

 

Then of course there is the Clinton/Cuomo News Network

 

Journalism died long ago.  I remember when Ted Turner actually owned and ran CNN it was as good network with good coverage.

 

There is one other thing tht people tend to forget guys like Larry King ( RIP) Bill O'Reilly and Dobbs have been in the business and popular for so long that their contracts become almost too expensive.  Therefore if the companies get a chance to dump them they take it.

 

Also Fox needs to change things up a bit or they risk becoming the bitter GOP network or TRUMP NEWS.

Reputable media check their sources before inflammatory comment. Due diligence. If they get it wrong they rectify it, on air, quickly.

 

As for Maddow, well a bipartisan committee led by republicans found russia did interfere. Putin even admitted it with a straight out ‘yes’ when asked.

 

But fox commentators dont. The courts ruled against the complaints 60 times, yet they continued. They only stopped when the suit was filed.

 

Dobbs only had an audience of 300k and wasnt pulling in the advertisers. Plus he was a pain for the managers. Add to that the suit and he is gone.

 

Fox paid out tens of millions for the behaviour of o’reilly. He was as bad as ailes.

21 hours ago, impulse said:

 

Let's see what happens in Maricopa County before we decide if he lied.

 

 

OMG! I wasn't aware of this straw clutch. Thanks for mentioning it.

 

"... The subpoenas issued by Fann and Sen. Warren Petersen, who chairs the Senate Judiciary Committee, demand that Maricopa County turn over ballot tabulation machines, 2.1 million ballots and other materials and data from the 2020 general election. Despite a lack of any evidence that the outcome of any races were affected by fraud or misconduct, they want to conduct a forensic audit of those materials. ..."

 

https://www.azmirror.com/2021/02/03/senate-gop-all-back-arresting-maricopa-county-supervisors-for-contempt/

20 hours ago, impulse said:

 

Where were the defamation lawsuits when NPR was publishing stuff like this:

 

https://www.npr.org/2019/09/04/755066523/cyber-experts-warn-of-vulnerabilities-facing-2020-election-machines

 

And the NYT was publishing stuff like this:

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/26/magazine/election-security-crisis-midterms.html

 

And Scientific American was publishing stuff like this:

 

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-vulnerabilities-of-our-voting-machines/

 

And the BBC was publishing stuff like this:

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-45680490

 

And WIRED was publishing stuff like this:

 

https://www.wired.com/story/voting-machine-meltdowns-midterm-elections-2018/

 

And ABC News was publishing stuff like this:

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/online-vulnerable-experts-find-nearly-three-dozen-u-s-voting-n1112436?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma

 

The most secure election in history.  Yeah, right.   Exactly what changed since 2018/2019?  

 

None of them mentioned the "Venezuelan connection".

 

Where's my prize?

4 hours ago, AgMech Cowboy said:

5 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Lou Dobbs cancelled?

It's Christmas in February!

You don't watch, didn't watch Fox News or Business anyway... Why do you care???

 

I don't support the Chiefs or the Buccaneers either but I can always root for injuries!

3 hours ago, GrandPapillon said:

IMO, Lou Dobbs was always a boring and lame commentator who was just confirming the confirmation bias of his audience

 

play them like a violin, good riddance

 

As the ice thins under Hannity and Carlson...

3 hours ago, NanLaew said:

 

As the ice thins under Hannity and Carlson...

I hate to say it but I think Tucker Carlson will probably run for president. Groan. 

It's rather refreshing to see that the judicial system might actually hold people account financially for the lies and conspiracy theories, that actually hurt real companies, real people.

 

The fact that these companies actually have to hire security to protect their employees from nutjobs egged on by these wacko's need to have some consequences.

 

Maybe the litigious nature of the US might actually be worthwhile!

On 2/7/2021 at 4:42 PM, Surelynot said:

Fox "News" is as alien to journalism as the Trump is to truth.........I watch Tucker Carlson for the first time in my life yesterday......OMG.......I was appalled at what he was spouting.......What is scary is the UK is going the same way very shortly and there will be no shortage of viewers 

The thing is that while people bemoan and cry about tucker Carlson and Fox News there are a couple of truths that they miss. Hannity, Carlson and Foxnews have been to top rated primetime cable for a long time.  Even when Obama term 1 and 2.  It will be interesting to see what happens for obama term 3

 

1 hour ago, kingstonkid said:

The thing is that while people bemoan and cry about tucker Carlson and Fox News there are a couple of truths that they miss. Hannity, Carlson and Foxnews have been to top rated primetime cable for a long time.  Even when Obama term 1 and 2.  It will be interesting to see what happens for obama term 3

 

That is because they cater to racists.

1 hour ago, kingstonkid said:

Hannity, Carlson and Foxnews have been to top rated primetime cable for a long time

That is what scares me rigid........the same is going to happen in the UK......effectively it will be the Daily Express...live.....

On 2/7/2021 at 5:29 PM, Jingthing said:

I hate to say it but I think Tucker Carlson will probably run for president. Groan. 

 

On 2/6/2021 at 10:08 PM, impulse said:

I remember decades ago when Lou Dobbs was a pretty good commentator

And I remember a ways back, maybe decades too, when he started going off on illegal immigrants.. big time - and then they found he had some working at his home/estate... he always seemed a bit 'off' to me.. 

On ‎2‎/‎6‎/‎2021 at 10:08 PM, impulse said:

I remember decades ago when Lou Dobbs was a pretty good commentator.  Seeing him recently has really lowered my level of confidence in the guy.  So I'm not sad to see him leave.

 

But the reason behind his departure worries me.  All you have to do if you don't like what a commentator says about you or your company is to sue his network for $$ billions, and poof.  He goes away.

 

That's a scary precedent for journalism and the 4th Estate.  Even if you don't agree with the guy.

 

Telling knowingly blatant lies isn't journalism.

On ‎2‎/‎7‎/‎2021 at 12:16 AM, mike787 said:

Life will go on....there will be another show, and he can count his millions...move along nothing to see....

He can pay his millions in damages to the company which sues him, nothing to spend ....

Sounds like dobbs got blindsided by his bosses at Fox? As larry kudlow slides in. Ouch.

 

Lou Dobbs goes on a Twitter rampage after being booted from Fox Business

 

Facing one of the largest libel cases in U.S history, Fox News abruptly canceled "Lou Dobbs Tonight," prompting the Trump-loving host to go on a Twitter tirade, tearing apart his former employer while refusing to back down from the baseless claims of election fraud that got him in such trouble in the first place. 

 

As for Dobbs' sudden departure, the network suggested it is unrelated to the lawsuits it's facing. "As we said in October, FOX News Media regularly considers programming changes and plans have been in place to launch new formats as appropriate post-election, including on FOX Business – this is part of those planned changes."

 

https://www.salon.com/2021/02/08/lou-dobbs-goes-on-a-twitter-rampage-after-being-fired-from-fox-business/

 

 

 

On 2/6/2021 at 10:42 PM, impulse said:

 

Let's see what happens in Maricopa County before we decide if he lied.

 

so nothing then? There is zero credible evidence for widespread coordinated voter fraud - none, zilch, nothing

9 minutes ago, PremiumLane said:

so nothing then? There is zero credible evidence for widespread coordinated voter fraud - none, zilch, nothing

Rudy , after 60 cases said its not about voter fraud. Expect the qanon repubs to turn against him.