UK had 'one or two' Brexit teething issues on fishing, minister says

[7by7]

2 hours ago, Loiner said:

She didn't attract any UK industries to EU countries with cheap labour and handouts. Subsequent UK PMs all toed the EU line and allowed the ravaging of UK to continue unabated.

 

I asked before; what ravaging?

 

You expect others to answer your questions, but refuse to reciprocate as you wont "dance to our tune!"

 

Of course, everyone here, even most Brexiteers, know that the real reason you wont answer questions or provide evidence to support your claims is because you can't.

[Scott]

Off-topic, troll posts and replies removed.  

 

[bannork]

Livestock trade in danger of ceasing because the UK government can't get its act together to build port facilities in time.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/mar/07/british-ports-say-they-are-not-ready-for-brexit-customs-checks

 

[david555]

1 hour ago, bannork said:

Livestock trade in danger of ceasing because the UK government can't get its act together to build port facilities in time.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/mar/07/british-ports-say-they-are-not-ready-for-brexit-customs-checks

 

Yes.... but hey ! they had " only " a good 4 years to prepare for that ...????????????

[bannork]

Who do you think you are kidding Mr Johnson?

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/strong-on-rhetoric-weak-on-substance-e2-80-93-so-much-for-the-e2-80-98vision-e2-80-99-of-global-britain/ar-BB1ekkG6

[Surelynot]

Can someone explain why we suddenly need all this infrastructure? It says to check imported goods....presumably we have always imported goods...is the amount we import from the rest of the world really so paltry.....and we still get the vast majority of our imported goods from the EU......won't goods  all be coming from the Pacific Rim in the future?

 

If this is to check goods from the EU why do we need it?......We never checked anything previously.....do we think the EU is suddenly going to dump inferior goods and infected animals on the UK?

 

Is the EU having to build similar infrastructure just for goods they will continue to import from the UK?.....If so, is it all built and in place......why are we so behind in having these structures in place if we knew we needed them since 2016?

[bkkcanuck8]

2 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

Can someone explain why we suddenly need all this infrastructure? It says to check imported goods....presumably we have always imported goods...is the amount we import from the rest of the world really so paltry.....and we still get the vast majority of our imported goods from the EU......won't goods  all be coming from the Pacific Rim in the future?

 

If this is to check goods from the EU why do we need it?......We never checked anything previously.....do we think the EU is suddenly going to dump inferior goods and infected animals on the UK?

 

Is the EU having to build similar infrastructure just for goods they will continue to import from the UK?.....If so, is it all built and in place......why are we so behind in having these structures in place if we knew we needed them since 2016?

 

Trade with the EU countries makes up HALF of all international trade.... this means to balance out the loss of trade with the EU....   makes it difficult to add a country or two and expect to make up the trade lost with the EU.   The fact is that trade with the EU consisted of a lot of 'just in time' deliveries, while that now will be ... more variable and the time from shipping to delivery will be considerably longer... (so the odd situation is that orders will be open for longer which if you don't look at the details may be misinterpreted as a surge when it is a considerable drop in trade). 

As the Conservative government said <censored> business... ????

 

[Tofer]

On 3/4/2021 at 4:57 PM, 7by7 said:

 

What a long self justification!

 

I'm not going to get drawn into your petty quarrel any further; those who have read our various posts know the truth of who said what.

 

I will say, though, that it is a typical Brexiteer tactic to criticise those who produce links to facts which support their argument; facts are often lacking in Brexiteer posts. 

 

 

 

What a delicate little flower! You really don't like being proved wrong.

 

Thankfully, yes, they can read how you tried to manipulate the thread to cover your misconceptions.

 

When remainers get the links they ask for, which they cannot genuinely disprove, they instead revert to attempts to discredit the medium by which it was related, without properly reviewing or comprehending the actual content. 

[Tofer]

On 3/4/2021 at 9:51 PM, david555 said:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/mar/04/uks-plan-to-extend-brexit-grace-period-infuriates-irish-and-eu-officials

EU postpones setting date for ratifying Brexit trade deal
Move follows Boris Johnson being accused of breaking international law for second time over Northern Ireland

Daniel Boffey in Brussels and Rory Carroll
Thu 4 Mar 2021 12.40 GMT

 

The European parliament has postponed setting a date for ratifying the trade and security deal with Britain after Boris Johnson was accused of breaking international law for a second time over Northern Ireland.

 

The chamber’s political groups agreed on Thursday to wait in light of the latest row with Downing Street, with some senior MEPs warning that the Christmas Eve deal will not be passed at all if the UK goes ahead with its plans.

 

The UK was accused by the European commission of breaking international law for a second time on Wednesday after ministers said they would unilaterally extend a grace period on a range of checks on trade between Northern Ireland and Great Britain. The commission responded that under the Brexit withdrawal agreement, the decision should have been agreed with the EU.

 

 

more...

 

 

 

All easily resolved... We simply tear up the agreement, that your lot can't even get around to ratifying anyway, and let the genuine traders do business on WTO terms, and go fish in your own waters.

[Surelynot]

6 minutes ago, Tofer said:

 

All easily resolved... We simply tear up the agreement, that your lot can't even get around to ratifying anyway, and let the genuine traders do business on WTO terms, and go fish in your own waters.

You have to wonder don't you....with wel'ard Brexiteers, Johnson, Gove, Frost......and their collective genius......why haven't they done this already?......could there be something we don't know about holding them back?....Strange!

Edited March 8, 2021 by Surelynot

[david555]

1 minute ago, Tofer said:

 

All easily resolved... We simply tear up the agreement, that your lot can't even get around to ratifying anyway, and let the ge8nuine traders do business on WTO terms, and go fish in your own waters.

Totally agreed with u for once , WTO  fitts you best ....and about fish ...happy to leave you some more ....to finally use as fertilizer as no market for your catch ????

Can you go whining on the WTO  as a change

 

[Surelynot]

1 minute ago, david555 said:

as no market for your catch

Ah! Wrong......Boris has told us to eat more fish....so there will be a market!!!

[david555]

2 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

You have to wonder don't you....with wel'ard Brexiteers, Johnson, Gove, Frost......and there collective genius......why haven't they done this already?......could there be something we don't know about holding them back?....Strange!

 

"why haven't they done this already?......could there be something we don't know about holding them back?..."

 

 

Yes i know one ....the hoped they would get what they dreamed about from day one ....free membership whitout membership obligations ...

????

The E.U. need us U.K. more than we U.K. need them ....Mantra ????

[Tofer]

On 3/4/2021 at 10:45 PM, david555 said:

(Seems things are getting hot tempered .....????)  on Italy's request...

 

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1405595/Italy-vaccine-news-Australia-Oxford-AstraZeneca-shipment-blocked-EU-latest-Covid

 

EU blocks shipment of 250,000 Oxford vaccines to Australia after Italy makes plea
ITALY has activated the European Union's vaccine export ban to block a shipment of life-saving jabs being sent to Australia.

By JOE BARNES, BRUSSELS CORRESPONDENT
PUBLISHED: 14:56, Thu, Mar 4, 2021 | UPDATED: 15:34, Thu, Mar 4, 2021

 

Rome triggered the mechanism to stop 250,000 doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine from being sent outside the bloc. It notified the European Commission who signed off on blockade as part of its vaccine export transparency scheme. Brussels is currently engaged in a furious battle with the Anglo-Swedish firm after it delayed a shipment of doses to EU member states.

Under the scheme, EU-based vaccine makers must secure approval from national health authorities before shipping their jabs abroad.

 

At a virtual summit of the bloc’s leaders, Italian prime minister Mario Draghi last week questioned why the bloc had not deployed its draconian powers.

 

more...

 

I wonder how long it will take before the EU accept their shame and admit their failings, instead of disrupting supplies to countries that have legitimate orders - disgusting.

[david555]

Just now, Tofer said:

 

I wonder how long it will take before the EU accept their shame and admit their failings, instead of disrupting supplies to countries that have legitimate orders - disgusting.

Oh you sure was good at it making special line in your contract with AZ....that is why E.U. go act as bailif for goods paid but not delivered at them ....????

[Surelynot]

2 minutes ago, Tofer said:

 

I wonder how long it will take before the EU accept their shame and admit their failings, instead of disrupting supplies to countries that have legitimate orders - disgusting.

https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-coronavirus-vaccine-astrazeneca-export-boris-johnson/

 

UK restricts COVID medicine exports amid AstraZeneca vaccine fight Prime Minister Boris Johnson says he doesn't want border 'restrictions' for medicines, but that's what his government is doing. 

[Tofer]

On 3/5/2021 at 12:27 AM, candide said:

That was expected.

 

That was disgusting, and indefensible.

 

The EU's contractual legal battle with AZ is not a valid reason to prevent the export to countries who are ahead in the queue for delivery.

[Surelynot]

1 minute ago, Tofer said:

 

That was disgusting, and indefensible.

 

The EU's contractual legal battle with AZ is not a valid reason to prevent the export to countries who are ahead in the queue for delivery.

"Boris Johnson's remark yesterday that the EU shouldn't restrict the export of vaccines is rich indeed, in the context of the U.K.'s own restrictions and export bans around medicines being used on COVID-19 patients. Nor, however, should EU powers forget that we are all part of a global community,"

[david555]

2 minutes ago, Tofer said:

 

That was disgusting, and indefensible.

 

The EU's contractual legal battle with AZ is not a valid reason to prevent the export to countries who are ahead in the queue for delivery.

Classify it under "taking control of our borders or what's produced under contract on it ".....

must sound familliar to brexiteers i presume ????

[Tofer]

25 minutes ago, david555 said:

Oh you sure was good at it making special line in your contract with AZ....that is why E.U. go act as bailif for goods paid but not delivered at them ....????

 

The UK input their investment in the vaccine development, before they were even approved for use. The EU have, presumably paid for their order, which doesn't entitle them to queue jump.

[bkkcanuck8]

21 minutes ago, david555 said:

Classify it under "taking control of our borders or what's produced under contract on it ".....

must sound familliar to brexiteers i presume ????

What it means is that countries should now restrict medicine originating from outside their borders to ensure for national securities sake that there is a local pharma industry to rely on.   So in the future all EU/UK medicines that are in competition to medicines in the importing company  should be banned.

[david555]

14 minutes ago, Tofer said:

 

The UK input their investment in the vaccine development, before they were even approved for use. The EU have, presumably paid for their order, which doesn't entitle them to queue jump.

They paid mony up front  for the devellopment of the vaccin ....

But that is unconviniant i guess to you as a reply to get what was in the contract ????

 

[david555]

1 hour ago, Tofer said:

 

All easily resolved... We simply tear up the agreement, that your lot can't even get around to ratifying anyway, and let the genuine traders do business on WTO terms, and go fish in your own waters.

Even for WTO you need ready port checks ....????

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/mar/07/british-ports-say-they-are-not-ready-for-brexit-customs-checks

International trade

British ports say they are not ready for Brexit customs checks

Construction only just started at the key livestock port of Portsmouth, while the facility at Dover is just ‘a muddy field’

Joanna Partridge in Portsmouth

Sun 7 Mar 2021 14.54 GMT Last modified on Sun 7 Mar 2021 18.33 GMT

[JonnyF]

49 minutes ago, david555 said:

They paid mony up front  for the devellopment of the vaccin ....

But that is unconviniant i guess to you as a reply to get what was in the contract ????

 

Disgraceful behaviour by the EU. 

 

At least Germany is standing up for what is right. The EU is really showing it's true colours yet again. Thank god we're out.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/05/australia-requests-review-italy-block-astrazeneca-vaccine-export

 

 

 

[candide]

On 3/4/2021 at 6:27 PM, candide said:

That was expected. The EU made a prepayment of 336 million euro in August 2020, which has been invested by AZ in its production facilities, just to be told the order could not be delivered.

 

2 hours ago, Tofer said:

 

That was disgusting, and indefensible.

 

The EU's contractual legal battle with AZ is not a valid reason to prevent the export to countries who are ahead in the queue for delivery.

The answer was in the post you truncated.

[candide]

2 hours ago, Surelynot said:

https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-coronavirus-vaccine-astrazeneca-export-boris-johnson/

 

UK restricts COVID medicine exports amid AstraZeneca vaccine fight Prime Minister Boris Johnson says he doesn't want border 'restrictions' for medicines, but that's what his government is doing. 

Interesting. From your link:

"A POLITICO analysis of the British government’s list of drugs shows that since March last year the U.K. imposed controls on the export of over 170 medicines to other countries. While some have been shown to have limited impact on treating the virus such as hydroxychloroquine — which has since been removed from the list — several have proven effective. Others may have been added for other reasons such as a global shortage of the drug. "

[candide]

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

Disgraceful behaviour by the EU. 

 

At least Germany is standing up for what is right. The EU is really showing it's true colours yet again. Thank god we're out.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/05/australia-requests-review-italy-block-astrazeneca-vaccine-export

 

 

 

Spahn's comment is quite relevant. However, it would be quite negligent to not implement EU based strategic supply chains for drugs and vaccines in the medium term.

Edited March 8, 2021 by candide

[CharlieH]

A post containing non standard correct font has been removed.

 

If you are going to "copy n paste" you need to format the post correctly or it will be removed.

[JonnyF]

1 hour ago, candide said:

Spahn's comment is quite relevant. However, it would be quite negligent to not implement EU based strategic supply chains for drugs and vaccines in the medium term.

 

Fortunately Brexit Britain has stepped in and agreed to help our Australian friends and partners with the vaccine. Showing the way again.

 

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6237682836001

 

[david555]

7 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Don't worry. Brexit Britain has stepped up to the plate to help our Australian friends and partners.

 

 

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6237682836001

 

So that's a good solution ????, generous from Boris to help them out .....,you could  call it a " reorganization of distribution" ,   repairing the AZ  shortcoming on their E.U. contract ????