2 minutes ago, candide said:

About your first remark, there were no integrated supply chains at that time. Most trade was about raw and finished products. The trade based on components included in integrated supply chain is strongly dependent on speed, I.e. JIT chains.  It is difficult to substitute it by trade with remote countries,because it simply takes too long time.

As about the opportunities to trade outside the EU, there is no improvement because this trade was already made possible thanks to trade deals made by the EU. The only (maybe) significant change may come if deals were made with China and the US, and It's a long way.....

Actually, as pointed out above, even if a free trade deal with the US is signed, it won't make much difference because trade with the US was already mostly free. Very low or no tariffs for most items.

17 hours ago, spiekerjozef said:

lol my friend tells me for 16 years that UK pound climbs back to 75 baht in no time...

No time sounds about right

2 hours ago, Pilotman said:

We can live with it, as we have for most of our history.  It will be nice if we can spend a good few generations without having to come over to the Continent to sort out some  mess or other that you lot over there have produced for yourselves, yet again.  That would make a nice historical change.  

Pleeeease...don't mention the war (it finished over 75 years ago).

 

Just now, bannork said:

Pleeeease...don't mention the war (it finished over 75 years ago).

 

Who mentioned a war, any war, I certainly didn't? 

 

My posts seem to have bent quite a few people out of shape and all of them seem to live in the tranquil, untroubled, beautifully clear and  blue waters of the EU.  Sensitive lot aren't they? 

1 minute ago, Pilotman said:

Who mentioned a war, any war, I certainly didn't? 

Well...if you did....I think you got away with it...555

7 minutes ago, Pilotman said:

Who mentioned a war, any war, I certainly didn't? 

 

My posts seem to have bent quite a few people out of shape and all of them seem to live in the tranquil, untroubled, beautifully clear and  blue waters of the EU.  Sensitive lot aren't they? 

It will be nice if we can spend a good few generations without having to come over to the Continent to sort out some  mess or other that you lot over there have produced for yourselves, yet again. 

Your words- what mess apart from WW2 caused us to come over to the continent and sort it out?

3 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

According to the Department for International Trade, 49% of your trade was with the EU, and 40% with countries with EU trade agreements. How does the remaining 10% provide so much “options and opportunities” that it would justify hurting the 90%? 

Despite your poor attempt at spin (10% ????),  the only figure that matters in the context of the debate is the 49% trade with the EU. Our trade with the EU versus non-EU countries has been in decline for many years. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

18 minutes ago, bannork said:

It will be nice if we can spend a good few generations without having to come over to the Continent to sort out some  mess or other that you lot over there have produced for yourselves, yet again. 

Your words- what mess apart from WW2 caused us to come over to the continent and sort it out?

well we introduced fish and chips and the English Breakfast to Spain, Stilton cheese to the French, foot ball to Germany, football hooligans to everybody;  need I go on?   

6 minutes ago, Pilotman said:

well we introduced fish and chips and the English Breakfast to Spain, Stilton cheese to the French, foot ball to Germany, football hooligans to everybody;  need I go on?   

No, best to stop at that.

12 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

Despite your poor attempt at spin (10% ????),  the only figure that matters in the context of the debate is the 49% trade with the EU. Our trade with the EU versus non-EU countries has been in decline for many years. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Right. The share of the EU in the global economy is decreasing, so it is reflected in trade figures. There's the same evolution for EU countries: they also tend to increase the share of trade outside the EU vs inside the EU.

 

Mind you, it also affects UK. The share of the UK economy in the global economy is decreasing. It means that for the outside world, you are also seen as a country which represents a decreasing share of their trade.

1 hour ago, Pilotman said:

Who mentioned a war, any war, I certainly didn't? 

 

My posts seem to have bent quite a few people out of shape and all of them seem to live in the tranquil, untroubled, beautifully clear and  blue waters of the EU.  Sensitive lot aren't they? 

 

Keep up the good work. 

1 hour ago, candide said:

Right. The share of the EU in the global economy is decreasing, so it is reflected in trade figures. There's the same evolution for EU countries: they also tend to increase the share of trade outside the EU vs inside the EU.

 

Mind you, it also affects UK. The share of the UK economy in the global economy is decreasing. It means that for the outside world, you are also seen as a country which represents a decreasing share of their trade.

 

Blimey! Give us a chance!

1 hour ago, CG1 Blue said:

Despite your poor attempt at spin (10% ????),

Please read before getting agitated. The numbers come from a UK government agency. 

 

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the only figure that matters in the context of the debate is the 49% trade with the EU.

Again, please read before posting—in this case here, please read the post I was replying to. 
 

 

1 hour ago, Pilotman said:

well we introduced fish and chips and the English Breakfast to Spain, Stilton cheese to the French, foot ball to Germany, football hooligans to everybody;  need I go on?   

And what did we get in return from the French and the Germans...........Letters and Measles.????

16 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Please read before getting agitated. The numbers come from a UK government agency. 

 

Again, please read before posting—in this case here, please read the post I was replying to. 
 

 

You said: "How does the remaining 10% provide so much “options and opportunities” that it would justify hurting the 90%?"

As I said, this is spin. Unless you can tell me why Brexit will 'hurt' 90% of our global trade? 

 

6 hours ago, Pilotman said:

 Most of what is quoted about longer lasting negative  impacts of being outside the EU trading block are pure fabrication, mostly because the UK will continue to trade extensively with the EU. but with far more other trade options  and opportunities available for both import and export. 

“I wonder in my lighter moments how the UK ever managed to build up the biggest and most extensive trade routes to and from the country, prior to 1973 that the world had ever seen before.“

 

Usually by sending a gunboat, legislating to allow British corporations to form their own private military which then forced trade concessions at the muzzle of a barrel, slavery and the biggest drug trading organization in human history.

 

But by 1973 the victims of ‘British largesse’ had put an end to ‘Britain’s Glory’ and the then British Government had the good sense to realize the sense in ‘the poor man of Europe’ joining the Common Market and ‘ever closer union’.

 

 

So Brexit is causing huge problems to UK manufacturers.

As predicted. 

54 minutes ago, vogie said:

And what did we get in return from the French and the Germans...........Letters and Measles.????

Free trade and travel. But no more.

42 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

You said: "How does the remaining 10% provide so much “options and opportunities” that it would justify hurting the 90%?"

As I said, this is spin. Unless you can tell me why Brexit will 'hurt' 90% of our global trade? 

Because those 90% are with the EU or through EU agreements. Only 10% of your trade had nothing to do with the EU. 
 

c. half of the 90% will be hurt definitely, and the other half at least for as long as you haven’t negotiated a replacement or roll-over deal that is at least as beneficial as the EU trade agreement. 
 

So no spin. 

9 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Because those 90% are with the EU or through EU agreements. Only 10% of your trade had nothing to do with the EU. 
 

c. half of the 90% will be hurt definitely, and the other half at least for as long as you haven’t negotiated a replacement or roll-over deal that is at least as beneficial as the EU trade agreement. 
 

So no spin. 

It is spin. 

"half the 90% will be hurt definitely" is untrue. 

And as for the other half of the 90%, we've already rolled over most of those agreements. Again, spin. Or do you prefer the word 'lies'? 

 

What happens to the trade agreements the UK was already part of?

The EU had about 40 trade deals covering more than 70 countries at the time the UK left. The UK has made deals to continue trading in the same way with 63 of these countries.

However, deals with four countries - Albania, Jordan, Canada and Mexico - have not fully come into force yet. The Jordan deal, for example, will not be in effect until March 2021.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47213842#:~:text=The EU had about 40,fully come into force yet.

 

1 minute ago, CG1 Blue said:

It is spin. 

Nope. 
 

1 minute ago, CG1 Blue said:

"half the 90% will be hurt definitely" is untrue. 

Nope. 

 

1 minute ago, CG1 Blue said:

And as for the other half of the 90%, we've already rolled over most of those agreements.

Doesn’t change what I wrote, which was: “[will be hurt] for as long as you haven’t negotiated a replacement or roll-over deal that is at least asbeneficial as the EU trade agreement.”

 

1 minute ago, CG1 Blue said:

Again, spin. Or do you prefer the word 'lies'? 

Nope. 
 

1 minute ago, CG1 Blue said:

 

 

 

 

What happens to the trade agreements the UK was already part of?

The EU had about 40 trade deals covering more than 70 countries at the time the UK left. The UK has made deals to continue trading in the same way with 63 of these countries.

However, deals with four countries - Albania, Jordan, Canada and Mexico - have not fully come into force yet. The Jordan deal, for example, will not be in effect until March 2021.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47213842#:~:text=The EU had about 40,fully come into force yet.

 

There you have it. 

11 hours ago, Pilotman said:

Utter nonsense. There is a whole world outside that don't give a monkeys about the EU and its delusions of grandeur. 

 

If you ever decide to return to the real world from your imaginary one, you'll find the EU's world influence is growing all the time. More items are produced to the EU's standards even if they are not destined for it. The € trusted more and more as a reserve currency. The EU is regarded as "the" group to do trade deals with. It's bigger than the US and more developed than China  

1 hour ago, vogie said:

And what did we get in return from the French

Don't forget the dinghies

21 hours ago, robblok said:

Sure keep on dreaming, bad news is piling up and all the Brexiteers can do is saying.. the news is bias or this is just teething problems. Listening to the people who know in the business is not a thing Brexiteers on this forum can do. They ignore the experts and have nothing to back up their claim. I want to see just one article showing how good Brexit has been or a report from a Think tank showing Brexit is a good idea.

 

I know its over and done with but the least the die hard anti EU people could admit all the problems there are. But they just ignore them and say its false news. Kinda Trumpish.

 

Pound soars to near-three year high vs dollar in Brexit boost - and could go even higher

THE POUND surged above $1.39 for the first time in almost three years today, lifted by rising Brexit optimism, broad-based dollar weakness and hopes for the end of a third national lockdown.

15 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

 

 

Oh jeez, I really pity your small egos across the channel. 

In the last two centuries "Europe" has had by my reckoning three regimes, driven by their "leaders" egos, which have resulted in attempts to "unite" the continent.

 

None of them worked out particularly well.

 

There may be something to be said for smaller egos?

8 hours ago, bartender100 said:

 

Pound soars to near-three year high vs dollar in Brexit boost - and could go even higher

THE POUND surged above $1.39 for the first time in almost three years today, lifted by rising Brexit optimism, broad-based dollar weakness and hopes for the end of a third national lockdown.

Where’s the evidence of ‘Brexit optimism’, outside of Government propaganda and the denials by ‘Brexiteers’ of the real difficulties being experienced by British manufacturers?

17 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

In the last two centuries "Europe" has had by my reckoning three regimes, driven by their "leaders" egos, which have resulted in attempts to "unite" the continent.

 

None of them worked out particularly well.

 

There may be something to be said for smaller egos?

False equivalence plays a large part in your ‘reckoning’.

 

There’s something to be said about smaller amounts of false equivalence.

 

9 hours ago, bartender100 said:

Pound soars to near-three year high vs dollar in Brexit boost - and could go even higher

THE POUND surged above $1.39 for the first time in almost three years today, lifted by rising Brexit optimism, broad-based dollar weakness and hopes for the end of a third national lockdown.

A more relevant comparison would be to look at the evolution of the GBP vs the Euro over the past 5 year.

The last 2 months the GBP has slowly been creeping upwards vs the Euro, but there is a long way to go to get back to previous levels.

1 hour ago, herfiehandbag said:

In the last two centuries "Europe" has had by my reckoning three regimes, driven by their "leaders" egos, which have resulted in attempts to "unite" the continent.

 

None of them worked out particularly well.

 

There may be something to be said for smaller egos?

Do you think so?

 

I was responding to a jibe suggesting that small egos on the part of the UK were responsible for it's alleged plight.

 

I pointed out what large egos had done to Europe over thr last two centuries.

 

"False equivalency" with what?

10 hours ago, tebee said:

 

If you ever decide to return to the real world from your imaginary one, you'll find the EU's world influence is growing all the time. More items are produced to the EU's standards even if they are not destined for it. The € trusted more and more as a reserve currency. The EU is regarded as "the" group to do trade deals with. It's bigger than the US and more developed than China  

 

Imagine that!