China says China, U.S. and Europe should work together to uphold multilateralism

[snoop1130]

China says China, U.S. and Europe should work together to uphold multilateralism

 

FILE PHOTO: Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Wang Wenbin speaks during a news conference in Beijing, China December 14, 2020. REUTERS/Thomas Peter

 

BEIJING (Reuters) - China, the United States and Europe should work together to uphold multilateralism, after U.S. President Joe Biden called for democracies to coordinate their approach to China, foreign ministry spokesman Wang Wenbin said at a briefing on Monday.

 

Biden on Friday drew a sharp contrast with the foreign policy of his predecessor, Donald Trump, and urged democracies to work together to challenge abuses by autocratic states such as China and Russia.

 

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[smedly]

8 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

China says China, U.S. and Europe should work together to uphold multilateralism

 

a good start would be to accept the ruling of international laws and stop being the bully in the world right now, so far you are just snake oil on pretty much nothing - just a lot of dangerous stupid talk and hot air - the rest of the world have rejected you - either step up or fade away China - you have <deleted> off a lot of people "made in China" still has that stain and you will never get rid  of it - the copy counterfeit  capital of the world 

 

Greed and cheap labour enabled you - a copy is never like the original and that includes weapons of war  

 

you might also want to consider the massive harm you have inflicted on the world these last 14 months (which I believe was intentional)

 

who (WHO) wants to do business with you - that is a question that many countries need to seriously consider - the world is <deleted> off with China but of course big business (the money people) have been bought and paid for

 

The world needs a reset - hopefully China and greedy big tech will be the victims  

[pacovl46]

Thanks, but no thanks! I’m all for placing a massive embargo on China until they come to their senses and get their human rights, censorship, Tibet, Hong Kong and Taiwan issues settled. How about that?! 

[AlfHuy]

China says....

That says it all.

[Isaan sailor]

No thanks.  Better to get belligerent China’s attention by boycotting their made-in-China junk.

[nobodysfriend]

China says China, U.S. and Europe should work together to uphold multilateralism

 

Multilateralism chinese style ...? No , thanks ...

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-china-wang-yi/china-calls-for-a-reset-but-u-s-says-beijing-trying-to-avert-blame-idUSKBN2AM018

 

China calls for a reset, but U.S. says Beijing trying to 'avert blame' .

 

Senior Chinese diplomat Wang Yi said on Monday the United States and China could work together on various issues if they repaired their damaged bilateral relations, but Washington accused Beijing of trying to avert blame for its actions.

 

 

Btw ... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-un-rights-china-speech/britain-denounces-abuses-on-industrial-scale-in-chinas-xinjiang-idUSKBN2AM1DC

 

Britain’s foreign secretary Dominic Raab on Monday denounced torture, forced labour and sterilisations that he said were taking place against Muslim Uighurs on an “industrial scale” in China’s Xinjiang region.

Raab, in a recorded speech to the U.N. Human Rights Council, said that the rights of people in Hong Kong - a former British colony - were being “systematically violated”. The national security law imposed by China was inhibiting freedoms, he said, calling for free and fair legislative elections to take place.

“The reported abuses – which include torture, forced labour and forced sterilisation of women – are extreme and they are extensive. They are taking place on an industrial scale,” he said.

Edited February 23, 2021 by nobodysfriend

[PatOngo]

Start by returning the stolen islands in the South China Sea to their rightful owners and cease debt trapping poor nations with unpayable loans!

Edited February 23, 2021 by onthedarkside
conspiracy claim removed

[ThaiFelix]

6 hours ago, smedly said:

 

a good start would be to accept the ruling of international laws and stop being the bully in the world right now, so far you are just snake oil on pretty much nothing - just a lot of dangerous stupid talk and hot air - the rest of the world have rejected you - either step up or fade away China - you have <deleted> off a lot of people "made in China" still has that stain and you will never get rid  of it - the copy counterfeit  capital of the world 

 

Greed and cheap labour enabled you - a copy is never like the original and that includes weapons of war  

 

you might also want to consider the massive harm you have inflicted on the world these last 14 months (which I believe was intentional)

 

who (WHO) wants to do business with you - that is a question that many countries need to seriously consider - the world is <deleted> off with China but of course big business (the money people) have been bought and paid for

 

The world needs a reset - hopefully China and greedy big tech will be the victims  

I was sure you were commenting on the US there until I got further into your post....uncanny resemblance eh?

 

[ThaiFelix]

1 hour ago, Isaan sailor said:

No thanks.  Better to get belligerent China’s attention by boycotting their made-in-China junk.

made in china junk is clearly what people want otherwise China wouldnt be in the position they are in?

 

[ThaiFelix]

3 hours ago, pacovl46 said:

Thanks, but no thanks! I’m all for placing a massive embargo on China until they come to their senses and get their human rights, censorship, Tibet, Hong Kong and Taiwan issues settled. How about that?! 

You dont think napalm, agent orange or pox infected blankets will work this time.....too big to bully this time?

[Patong2021]

China feeling the heat now that USA has a real President. There will be more action and less empty promises.

Australia was taking on China alone with great courage the country has stood up to China military expansionists and Australia has suffered economically.

UK  is incurring wrath of China because it will not abandon the Hong Kong Chinese and will offer  option to immigrate to UK.

Now it is up to muslim world to stop being hypocrites and to speak out on behalf of oppressed muslims in country. 

 

China will destroy anyone it sees as an enemy and it is time world wake up to that reality.

 

 

[Patong2021]

6 hours ago, ThaiFelix said:

You dont think napalm, agent orange or pox infected blankets will work this time.....too big to bully this time?

We live in the present. You refer to  products not used or banned since 1970's and 1980's.

Syria has slaughtered tens of thousands of  non combatants including children using Russian and Chinese sourced munitions and products. China and Russia have blocked UN efforts to launch war crime censure.

China (and Russia) is now one of the lead backers of despotic regimes. Myanmar military does as it wishes because it has China support. The  mass murderer of North Korea has concentration  camps and slave labor camps with China support. African dictators stay in power because of China money. China  tries to stir up war against India. Thailand military does as it wishes because it has China support.

...Trump is gone. Democracy triumphed. That is something we will never see in China. 

 

 

 

Edited February 23, 2021 by onthedarkside
name calling reference removed

[Kwasaki]

Another thread reminding me of the song  "Both sides of the story".

 

Thais came from Southern China what you Chinese critics say about them.   

 

I'd like to see everyone on here who don't want Chinese products or parts in there house to throw them out. ????

[John Drake]

1 hour ago, ThaiFelix said:

made in china junk is clearly what people want otherwise China wouldnt be in the position they are in?

 

Unfortunately, you're correct. People look at prices and nothing more. And sellers and stores don't want them to look any further either. They want customers coming back every few years to buy the same things over and over. When I left the US to come to Thailand, among the things I left still in good working condition were: an electric mixer that my grandmother bought in the 1940s, an electric gridle bought in the mid-1950s, a washing machine and dryer bought from Sears in the early 1970s, a refrigerator bought about the same time, a microwave bought in 1980, two VCRs bought in 1984, and other every day items, such as hand tools, measuring devices, etc--all bought decades ago. But today, everybody thinks they're getting a great "deal" from China-made junk. And, no, I don't blame China for taking advantage of the stupidity and short-sightedness of Americans and Europeans.

Edited February 23, 2021 by John Drake

[ThaiFelix]

5 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

We live in the present. You refer to  products not used or banned since 1970's and 1980's.

Syria has slaughtered tens of thousands of  non combatants including children using Russian and Chinese sourced munitions and products. China and Russia have blocked UN efforts to launch war crime censure.

China (and Russia) is now one of the lead backers of despotic regimes. Myanmar military does as it wishes because it has China support. The  mass murderer of North Korea has concentration  camps and slave labor camps with China support. African dictators stay in power because of China money. China  tries to stir up war against India. Thailand military does as it wishes because it has China support.

... Trump is gone. Democracy triumphed. That is something we will never see in China. 

 

 

 

 

Ah yes now its spent uranium in munitions.  But do you think banning it will help the 1,000's of people and the land that have been forever contaminated?

 

Maybe the west should sell the Chinese opium and then put gunboat outside the cities if they resist.  

 

Denying the past is denying the present.

[Morch]

7 hours ago, PatOngo said:

Start by returning the stolen islands in the South China Sea to their rightful owners and cease debt trapping poor nations with unpayable loans!

 

What 'rightful owners'? As far as I understand most were contested to begin with. Doesn't make China takeover legit or righteous, but not as straightforward give-it-back situation either (at least with most of them).

 

The debt trapping issue always got two sides to it. Blame corrupt, inept governments and leaderships going down this path.

 

Edited February 23, 2021 by onthedarkside
reply to hidden comment removed

[Morch]

29 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Another thread reminding me of the song  "Both sides of the story".

 

Thais came from Southern China what you Chinese critics say about them.   

 

I'd like to see everyone on here who don't want Chinese products or parts in there house to throw them out. ????

 

How far do we go with this? The Mrs. is Thai-Chinese, I'd like to keep her.

[ThaiFelix]

10 minutes ago, John Drake said:

 

Unfortunately, you're correct. People look at prices and nothing more. And sellers and stores don't want them to look any further either. They want customers coming back every few years to buy the same things over and over. When I left the US to come to Thailand, among the things I left still in good working condition were: an electric mixer that my grandmother bought in the 1940s, an electric gridle bought in the mid-1950s, a washing machine and dryer bought from Sears in the early 1970s, a refrigerator bought about the same time, a microwave bought in 1980, two VCRs bought in 1984, and other every day items, such as hand tools, measuring devices, etc--all bought decades ago. But today, everybody thinks they're getting a great "deal" from China-made junk. And, no, I don't blame China for taking advantage of the stupidity and short-sightedness of Americans and Europeans.

Capitalism doesnt work if things last forever......factories would go broke, unemployment would soar.  China just fits the scenario perfectly at the moment, just as Japan once did, along with Sth Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong  etc etc.  Giving people what they want.  If your successful at it you make more money leading to more power, more control.  Empires come and empires go.  You just need to learn to step aside and make the best of it.  So turns the wheel.

[John Drake]

1 minute ago, ThaiFelix said:

Capitalism doesnt work if things last forever......factories would go broke, unemployment would soar.  China just fits the scenario perfectly at the moment, just as Japan once did, along with Sth Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong  etc etc.  Giving people what they want.  If your successful at it you make more money leading to more power, more control.  Empires come and empires go.  You just need to learn to step aside and make the best of it.  So turns the wheel.

 

Many years ago, I read a science fiction story, whose title I don't remember, in which almost the entire population was given a quota of goods they must consume every day, week, and month. And because it was considered psychologically destructive for the harm it might do to consumers' and producers' relationship to the means of production, people were not allowed to artificially use things until they wore out. So, for example, you couldn't artificially wear out your blue jeans by using a machine that would eventually create holes or tears. In this society, the elite were the ones who did not have to consume, who could live in isolation, in remote cabins, wearing flannel shirts, the same old dungarees, who need not own a phone or a television. Elites could enjoy life instead of consuming products. How far away is that reality today?

[Morch]

19 minutes ago, Isaan sailor said:

I don’t think the beautiful darker skinned Isaan women have much Chinese in them.

 

Wouldn't know about that, being on the other side of the country. Since we moved to the new house with its big yard, the Mrs. been complaining about getting too tanned from garden work. I actually love it, looks good on her.

[Kwasaki]

1 hour ago, Morch said:

 

How far do we go with this? The Mrs. is Thai-Chinese, I'd like to keep her.

Yeah I have Thai-Chinese friends so your going to get many Thais not caring about what China does. 

[PatOngo]

3 hours ago, ThaiFelix said:

made in china junk is clearly what people want otherwise China wouldnt be in the position they are in?

 

Cheap slave labor also helps!

[vandeventer]

So with 500,000 dead in America alone more than world war 1 world war 2 and the Vietnam war put together you want us to burry the hatchet and say all is forgiven. To a stupid country that has never admitted that the virus could have been stopped in their country. Do you think we are all fools?

Edited February 23, 2021 by vandeventer

[Isaan sailor]

2 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

Another thread reminding me of the song  "Both sides of the story".

 

Thais came from Southern China what you Chinese critics say about them.   

 

I'd like to see everyone on here who don't want Chinese products or parts in there house to throw them out. ????

I certainly do throw out Chinese products when they break or wear out.  And I make sure I don’t buy them again.

[Kwasaki]

4 minutes ago, Isaan sailor said:

I certainly do throw out Chinese products when they break or wear out.  And I make sure I don’t buy them again.

Don't forget the parts on your vehicles take them out as well. ????

[nobodysfriend]

6 hours ago, ThaiFelix said:

made in china junk is clearly what people want otherwise China wouldnt be in the position they are in?

 

Sorry , but not really .

Cheap is what the importers of chinese goods want , they can make more profit if they buy cheaper .

China can ' good quality ' , too , but at a higher price , of course .

It is the importers greed for profit ,( the cheaper they buy , the cheaper they can afford to sell ), and the quantities will be higher , just as their profit .

[onthedarkside]

Some off-topic diversion posts regarding Thai women have been removed, along with a coronavirus conspiracy theory post.

 

 

[ThaiFelix]

1 hour ago, nobodysfriend said:

Sorry , but not really .

Cheap is what the importers of chinese goods want , they can make more profit if they buy cheaper .

China can ' good quality ' , too , but at a higher price , of course .

It is the importers greed for profit ,( the cheaper they buy , the cheaper they can afford to sell ), and the quantities will be higher , just as their profit .

Importers are people too.  And they dont invest in goods they think people wont buy.

[simon43]

[quote]

Denying the past is denying the present.

[/quote]

 

I didn't see any poster denying the past.  We can acknowledge some past events as being wrong, but it's crazy to harp on about things in the past that you can't change.  Better to recognise wrong events that are happening right now, (such as Tibet, Taiwan, Hong-Kong, South China Sea, Uighers, [coronavirus] etc etc), and take decisive and combined action to right those wrongs now.

Edited February 23, 2021 by onthedarkside
trolling term corrected

[GreasyFingers]

6 hours ago, John Drake said:

In this society, the elite were the ones who did not have to consume, who could live in isolation, in remote cabins, wearing flannel shirts, the same old dungarees, who need not own a phone or a television. Elites could enjoy life instead of consuming products. How far away is that reality today?

Is the USA today or tomorrow ?