Northern Irish loyalist paramilitaries withdraw support for 1998 peace deal

[Scott]

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[Susco]

3 hours ago, bannork said:

If you want to blame anyone then blame Cameron for the absurdity that is Brexit.

 

Why blame Cameron? He was forced to hold a referendum

[Rookiescot]

2 minutes ago, Susco said:

 

Why blame Cameron? He was forced to hold a referendum

 

Who forced him? He was worried about losing votes to UKIP in a general election and came up with a wizard plan to offer a referendum on membership.

The fact that he didnt realise opening that Pandora's box full of English/British nationalism was going to backfire is no-ones fault but his.

Since then the Conservative party has turned into UKIP.

And look how well thats working out. 

[Susco]

8 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

He was worried about losing votes to UKIP in a general election and came up with a wizard plan to offer a referendum on membership.

The fact that he didnt realise opening that Pandora's box full of English/British nationalism was going to backfire is no-ones fault but his.

 

That is exactly what I mean with being forced. Nobody had expected the referendum would have this result, that's why he called it.

 

Did you expect the result before he called it?

[Rookiescot]

6 minutes ago, Susco said:

 

That is exactly what I mean with being forced. Nobody had expected the referendum would have this result, that's why he called it.

 

Did you expect the result before he called it?

 

Sorry I'm not following your logic here. You said Cameron was forced to offer a referendum. No-one forced him to do that.

He did it for the short term gain of an election victory.

Having won the election then yes he had to. But only because he had won by promising one.

He gambled. The UK lost.

[JonnyF]

37 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

Who forced him? He was worried about losing votes to UKIP in a general election and came up with a wizard plan to offer a referendum on membership.

The fact that he didnt realise opening that Pandora's box full of English/British nationalism was going to backfire is no-ones fault but his.

Since then the Conservative party has turned into UKIP.

And look how well thats working out. 

Unlike Sturgeon who opened Pandora's box of Scottish nationalism.

 

Who benefits? Sturgeon. The pied piper of Scotland. 

[JonnyF]

18 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

Sorry I'm not following your logic here. You said Cameron was forced to offer a referendum. No-one forced him to do that.

He did it for the short term gain of an election victory.

Having won the election then yes he had to. But only because he had won by promising one.

He gambled. The UK lost.

The UK won. You just haven't worked it out yet.

 

You've had plenty of hints though. The vaccine rollout being the most obvious.

[placeholder]

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

The UK won. You just haven't worked it out yet.

 

You've had plenty of hints though. The vaccine rollout being the most obvious.

Are you alleging that if the UK had stayed in the EU it wouldn't have been allowed to use the Astra zeneca vaccine until the EU approved? Not true.  So what would be different re vaccines if the UK had stayed in the EU?

[rott]

5 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

 

I would say that all terrorists are bad, regardless of who they murder. That their friends support Brexit should not get them a pass.

 

DUP 'held series of meetings with loyalists' to discuss EU exit specifics

 

DUP leader Arlene Foster met with a number of prominent loyalists during a series of meetings last week over Brexit, it has been alleged.

The revelation came after loyalist paramilitaries threatened protests if Northern Ireland's status in the UK is "diluted" after the UK leaves the EU. The warning led to calls for greater engagement with the loyalist community.

In a series of tweets yesterday, journalist Brian Rowan alleged that Mrs Foster, along with other senior DUP colleagues, met with Jimmy Birch, Jackie McDonald and Matt Kincaid, who have previously been named as senior UDA figures.

At a separate meeting, organised through the auspices of the Action for Community Transformation project, Mr Rowan stated that alleged senior UVF members Winston Irvine and Harry Stockman were present.

 

Well if it was "alleged" then that settles everything doesn't it. 

You brought Ulster Resistance into it and could not substantiate your comments. 

[oldhippy]

Being a European I have never understood the meaning of "paramilitary group". Surely we could just call them armed hooligans?

[Kwasaki]

14 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

They did. 

So what's the problem.

[Sujo]

12 hours ago, JonnyF said:

The UK won. You just haven't worked it out yet.

 

You've had plenty of hints though. The vaccine rollout being the most obvious.

Won what? All i see are problems for uk.

 

Vaccine rollout has zero to do with being in or out of eu.

[Rookiescot]

12 hours ago, JonnyF said:

The UK won. You just haven't worked it out yet.

 

You've had plenty of hints though. The vaccine rollout being the most obvious.

 

In what way did Brexit help with the pandemic?

[JonnyF]

2 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

In what way did Brexit help with the pandemic?

It facilitated and provided an easy passage for us leaving the disastrous EU vaccination scheme.

 

Of course it was technically possible that we could remain in the EU and be the only one of 28 member states to opt out, but back in the real world it never would have happened and you Remainer Europhiles know it. There would have been way too much opposition and pressure applied from within the EU and from the Europhile MPs like Catherine West who was later forced to apologise for trying to force us into the scheme.

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/labour-mp-apologizes-for-jibe-at-uks-opt-out-of-eu-vaccine-scheme/

 

Thank God we opted out from that hub of incompetence.

 

[Rookiescot]

9 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

It facilitated and provided an easy passage for us leaving the disastrous EU vaccination scheme.

 

Of course it was technically possible that we could remain in the EU and be the only one of 28 member states to opt out, but back in the real world it never would have happened and you Remainer Europhiles know it. There would have been way too much opposition and pressure applied from within the EU and from the Europhile MPs like Catherine West who was later forced to apologise for trying to force us into the scheme.

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/labour-mp-apologizes-for-jibe-at-uks-opt-out-of-eu-vaccine-scheme/

 

Thank God we opted out from that hub of incompetence.

 

 

So we opted out while still part of the EU which flies in the face of your argument.

The UK has often opted out of many EU policies so your assertion we would have joined the EU's vaccination scheme is simply your opinion.

[Rookiescot]

34 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

No we had already left the EU. We were in a  transition period with a finite end date. Hence the political pressure that could have been applied if we were a full member was flacid and easily ignored.

 

Had we been a full member, we would have been railroaded into it, like the other 27 who now regret it.

 

 

 

 

 

I guess we will never know.

Anyway I'm off to the pub.

Have a good weekend.

[JonnyF]

11 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

I guess we will never know.

Anyway I'm off to the pub.

Have a good weekend.

 

Yep, political pressure is a very difficult thing to quantify. You can deny it's existence or acknowledge it as the huge force that it is.

 

It's a nice day for a few afternoon pints (at least it is Bangkok), enjoy.

[Surelynot]

14 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Unlike Sturgeon who opened Pandora's box

.....which contained all the ills of the world and hope.....the hope that the Scot's can determine their own future and not be dictated to by a jumped up, lying, cheating, third rate journalist.

[JonnyF]

15 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

.....which contained all the ills of the world and hope.....the hope that the Scot's can determine their own future and not be dictated to by a jumped up, lying, cheating, third rate journalist.

 

Yes you can be "independent" as one of the smallest countries of 28 in the EU, dictated to by a failed politician that even their own countrymen consider to be incompetent. A woman that was selected rather than elected. Good luck.

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/ursula-von-der-leyen-biography-career-inconvenient-truth/

 

 

[Sujo]

5 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Yes you can be "independent" as one of the smallest countries of 28 in the EU, dictated to by a failed politician that even their own countrymen consider to be incompetent. A woman that was selected rather than elected. Good luck.

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/ursula-von-der-leyen-biography-career-inconvenient-truth/

 

 

which should be up to the scots to decide.

[Surelynot]

18 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Yes you can be "independent" as one of the smallest countries of 28 in the EU, dictated to by a failed politician that even their own countrymen consider to be incompetent. A woman that was selected rather than elected. Good luck.

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/ursula-von-der-leyen-biography-career-inconvenient-truth/

 

 

...and still preferable to a jumped up, lying, cheating third rate journalist....555

[JonnyF]

6 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

...and still preferable to a jumped up, lying, cheating third rate journalist....555

In your highly questionable opinion.

[JonnyF]

20 minutes ago, Sujo said:

which should be up to the scots to decide.

They won't decide on anything once they join the EU. 1 of 28. One of the 20 insignificant minnows in an undemocratic protectionist racket led by France and Germany.

 

More face paint required.

 

 

[Surelynot]

4 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

In your highly questionable opinion.

...only my choice of leader could be said to be highly questionable (in your opinion).......the jumped up, lying, cheating third rate journalist part is fact.

[Surelynot]

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

They won't decide on anything once they join the EU. 1 of 28. One of the 20 insignificant minnows in an undemocratic protectionist racket led by France and Germany.

 

More face paint required.

 

 

Too infinity and beyond.......

[placnx]

13 hours ago, placeholder said:

Are you alleging that if the UK had stayed in the EU it wouldn't have been allowed to use the Astra zeneca vaccine until the EU approved? Not true.  So what would be different re vaccines if the UK had stayed in the EU?

Wouldn't the Brits have had to wait for approval for European Medicines Agency? Some EU countries have delayed even after approval. That's their problem.

[Surelynot]

8 minutes ago, placnx said:

Wouldn't the Brits have had to wait for approval for European Medicines Agency? Some EU countries have delayed even after approval. That's their problem.

No....each country had the right to revert to their own approval procedures....circumventing the EMA.

[placnx]

20 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

No....each country had the right to revert to their own approval procedures....circumventing the EMA.

But as stated by several commenters, for some reason none did. There is a point to solidarity, purchasing for the whole EU, but the problem is a cumbersome bureaucracy that has difficulty dealing with a pandemic that will not wait.

[welovesundaysatspace]

3 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

So what's the problem.

Northern Irish terrorists 

[Kwasaki]

31 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Northern Irish terrorists 

They are and will always be a problem according to MI5 and always will be until there's a United Eire.

Remember the bombing threats in London, I was employed in security and searched people and bags going into high rise office blocks. 

Had a armed army soldier standing with me.