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SURVEY: Should Scotland seek independence from the UK?


SURVEY: Should Scotland seek independence from the UK?  

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Posted
5 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

And yet Norway generates far more income from the same oil at the same price.

 

Why UK’s oil and gas revenues are dwarfed by Norway’s – Business for Scotland

 

 

And that is going to help Scotland in the future?

 

How do you feel about the other points in my post? Just so say Norway makes money does not mean that Scotland will. It's not even on the table yet of how much of the oil revenue Scotland will keep, if they can get the population to vote for independence.

Posted
1 minute ago, puchooay said:

And that is going to help Scotland in the future?

 

How do you feel about the other points in my post? Just so say Norway makes money does not mean that Scotland will. It's not even on the table yet of how much of the oil revenue Scotland will keep, if they can get the population to vote for independence.

 

Indeed yes. Scotland is unique in its inability to manage itself. We are totally useless.

You failed to answer my point. Why is Norway making lots of money from oil but the UK seems incapable of doing it?

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Posted (edited)
18 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

Indeed yes. Scotland is unique in its inability to manage itself. We are totally useless.

You failed to answer my point. Why is Norway making lots of money from oil but the UK seems incapable of doing it?

Why are you asking me? The answers, at least alledged answers are in the link you posted.

 

If true and accurate, how is that going to help Scotland if they become independent? How much will it cost them to nationalise the industry, even if they get any oil in the independence negotiations?

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Posted (edited)
On 3/25/2021 at 8:56 AM, RuamRudy said:

 

- UDI would be illegal in the eyes of the world and would cause problems long term. I know nobody who sees this as a desirable option while we still have a democratic process to follow. 

- Scotland already has a currency and will develop its own to relinquish the need to rely on a pre-independence legacy, especially one with such a troubling future ahead of it.

- Trade agreements are the easiest thing in the world to negotiate and we will hold all the cards ((TM) Brexiteers).

- Passports are not uniquely British in concept, design or manufacture. In fact, I understand that the UK cannot even manufacture their own so government has had to go to a better organised European country to do it for them.

- Debt will be negotiated (assuming that we don't go down the UDI route) and will be reasonable and transparent. But the debt will be to the holders of the bonds, not to rUK, which already has eye-watering levels of debt itself (albeit to the same people). bkkcanuck8 has posted some very good write-ups of debt management and future trade opportunities. 

Without UDI how does Sturgeon propose to get a referendum to legitimise it, if she is reelected?

So the Groat will be the Scottish currency I guess as they have no claim on Stirling if they leave the UK without agreement. I guess you think the "Scottish" pound will be seen as legal, but try getting anyone to take a Scottish note now outside of Scotland.

What makes you think the Westminster would let the Scots out without paying their bill? You can't "do a runner" on this one.

 

We have crossed swords before on this subject and the truth is: Scotland can't afford to leave the UK, will not get a legitimate referendum for 20 years or more and will be ignored by the EU since all it has to offer is its fishing grounds. The EU want The Ukraine to join  not a pumped out gas country with a few million Euros worth of herring and a LOT of bad debt..

 

I do wish the SNP would stop this pie in the sky ideal and start to try and make a success of Scotland not ruin it as they have been doing.

 

Oh, and the Passports were subject to EU "fair competition" laws when they were ordered, I guess thanks to some Civil Servant <deleted>*. It was Poland that got the job, but it could have been done in the UK.

(*PS. Is "Berxiteer" a forbidden word too?)

 

 

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Posted
13 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

 

You think Scotland will not have a claim over its territorial waters after independence?

What makes you think that? 

The Scottish Navy. ????

Posted
Just now, RuamRudy said:

We will base it at Faslane - a nice, big facility there, ideal for our naval defence force. 

I don't see the point of Scotland being a separate country and not being part of UK. 

I will wait and see. 

I heard on LBC that Salmon funny enough another fish like Sturgeon is putting a spanner in the works and starting another party will that harm the independence goal of what many Scots seem to want.? 

Posted
6 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

It isn't a good look when the wishes of the people of Scotland are ignored by a government they haven't voted for since 1955.

You forgot one word in there. Let's get this straight once and for all.

 

A "minority" of the Scottish electorate voted for independence. Not " the people of Scotland" but " a minority of Scotland".

 

That is the only vote that shows the real figures. Polls have been done to death. There are polls have been done to death and swing both ways, according to who the polls ask.

 

The true result came in the referendum. The same referendum that NS and AS called " one opportunity".

 

I'm all for Indyref2 but Scotland need to stop bleating on about how unfair Westminster is, just like a little child. Get a plan and try to start negotiations just like the grown ups do. That is when NS and AS have stopped their private spat.

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Posted
1 hour ago, RuamRudy said:

It means that our country can get the government it votes for rather than the government the country next door voted for. Ditto membership of the EU. 

It will also mean that we can spend the money we raise as we choose rather than have to hand most of it to the country next door and have them decide how much to return to us. 

What happens to people like my son in-law who doesn't want Scotland to leave UK and wants to stay in England.? 

Posted
15 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

What happens to people like my son in-law who doesn't want Scotland to leave UK and wants to stay in England.? 

 

What do YOU think will happen?

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Posted
2 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

I don't see the point of Scotland being a separate country and not being part of UK. 

I will wait and see. 

I heard on LBC that Salmon funny enough another fish like Sturgeon is putting a spanner in the works and starting another party will that harm the independence goal of what many Scots seem to want.? 

 

Do you understand how voting for the Scottish parliament works?

No?

OK then.

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Posted
2 hours ago, Surelynot said:

The UK already has to go cap in hand to France for escort vessels for HMS Elizabeth........I am sure they will be happy to lend an independent Scotland a few gun boats......

Had to borrow the aircraft on it from the United States as well.

 

All together now........ Rule Britannia, Britannia waives the rules...

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I see the "Once in a generation" straw man is starting to creep its way back into the thread.

But never mind "Dead in a ditch" or "Over my dead body" from Johnson eh?

This is of course the "Prime Minister for life" Boris Johnson. We are not allowed to have another general election for at least a generation.

 

Boris Johnson SLIPS in polls: PM sends election plea as Remainers plot for hung Parliament | Politics | News | Express.co.uk

 

BORIS JOHNSON has today urged Sunday Express readers to back the Conservative Party in a “critical once in a generation election” on Thursday.

 

????????????????

 

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Posted
2 hours ago, Surelynot said:

The UK already has to go cap in hand to France for escort vessels for HMS Elizabeth........I am sure they will be happy to lend an independent Scotland a few gun boats....

The Lancaster House agreement is bilateral. Hardly "cap in hand"

 

Nothing to see here. Move on please.????????????

Posted
14 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

This from an ardent Brexiteer ????

Brexiteers said we were leaving the EU........... We left.

Scots Nats say we are leaving the UK............... You are still in.

Posted
6 minutes ago, vogie said:

Brexiteers said we were leaving the EU........... We left.

Scots Nats say we are leaving the UK............... You are still in.

Because Brexiteers are afraid of democracy.

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Posted
3 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

This is of course the "Prime Minister for life" Boris Johnson. We are not allowed to have another general election for at least a generation.

Oh dear. I really thought you might have knowledge of how elections work. How long each term is under law.

 

I can't believe that these people that you believe can run an independent Scotland did not ask for a rule with regards to how often a referendum can be held when campaigning pre 2014. The agreement in N.Ireland has been used as a comparison but, sadly for Scotland, only in hindsight

 

One other thing that baffles me. These people who are going to lead Scotland to independence and then run the country did not get even an inkling that there was disdain with EU growing in UK. Even just 2 year between Indyref and EU ref but the Scot Nats had no idea it was going to happen? Really? That's not the greatest example of forward thinking. Maybe AS had a chat with David Cameron and was advised that a referendum would likely take place but Remain would win at a center.

 

Either way, shocking planning and fore thinking. Not a great way to lead a country.

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