5 hours ago, ukrules said:

I've heard some cockamamie excuses in my time but this one sounds like a complete pile of horse....

 

How many stroke like incidents that require anti coagulants per million shots?

 

That's the only number that matters here.

You need to read Sheryl's response. You have no idea how Thai women can be afraid afraid of simple things.

8 hours ago, Jonathan Fairfield said:

Thai health authorities say the reported stroke-like symptoms occurring after some people get Sinovac’s COVID-19 vaccine, are a stress-related response, assuring the community that the vaccine is safe to use.

So their bosses in China have instructed them on what to say. ????????????

You have got to be kidding me.

I just had the Astra-Zeneca vaccine and I can assure you that I had no psycho-semantic stroke symptoms.  

Really, truly, who would put that filth into their bodies?  I would never, ever, EVER put the chinese vaccine in my body.  I'd put Sputnik in as a last resort, that's it!

9 hours ago, Jonathan Fairfield said:

Thai health authorities say the reported stroke-like symptoms occurring after some people get Sinovac’s COVID-19 vaccine, are a stress-related response, assuring the community that the vaccine is safe to use.

Show me the science behind that statement otherwise it's nothing but wind.  Show me scientific studies from the past where clusters of the population come down with blood clots and stroke systems, at the same time, due to "stress." 
Continue down this path and the medical community will lose all credibility.

 

9 hours ago, Jonathan Fairfield said:

She said these neurological responses can be mitigated with conversation to help vaccine recipients create trust, while suggesting the vaccination station should be set up in a well ventilated area that is not too warm or humid, and the place should not be crowded, in order to lower a person’s anxiety

Now they are just being paternalistic as well as using pseudo-science to explain away vaccine side-effects and adverse reactions.

Yes, it is a stress related response after the patient's bodies have been subjected to the stress of being injected with some low quality drug imported from China without proper quality control.  It's perfectly normal. 

Nonsense. Some couple of  Billions were vaccinated in Chine, and Indonesia were vaccinated  incl,.  the whole Red Army without any major problem.  There is no COVID incidents in China, bot because the population has died out. Now these doctors have doubts. Could it be the situation is quite similar to Europe where some big players were bought by some producers than the other products all of the sudden became to dangerous? 

https://healthcare-in-europe.com/en/news/fatal-blood-clots-claim-500-000-eu-lives-annually.html

 

Fatal blood clots claim 500,000 EU lives annually

 

‘VTE kills more Europeans each year than breast cancer, prostate cancer, HIV/AIDS and road traffic accidents combined,’ said Dr Cohen, of Guy’s, King and St Thomas School of Medicine and King’s College Hospital, London, UK.

Off-topic post reported and removed.   The Sinovac is not made in the US.

 

I did not know, until now, that short term stress, created blood clots, can someone clarify this.

4 minutes ago, Aussie999 said:

I did not know, until now, that short term stress, created blood clots, can someone clarify this.

It doesn’t. That’s why upon medical imaging none were found in any of them. Anxiety or stress can cause the same symptoms as having a stroke though. Someone else posted this link before;

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5991183/
 

3 minutes ago, Gulfsailor said:

It doesn’t. That’s why upon medical imaging none were found in any of them. Anxiety or stress can cause the same symptoms as having a stroke though. Someone else posted this link before;

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5991183/
 

So, then there was no reason to treat them for blood clots.... rather they should have simply been treated for "stress," something does seem right.

4 hours ago, Aussie999 said:

So, then there was no reason to treat them for blood clots.... rather they should have simply been treated for "stress," something does seem right.

It takes time to exclude a blood clot and if clots are present treatment needs to be given at once, within maximum 3 hours of the start of symptoms.

 

They were entirely correct to immediately treat pending confirmation.

 

As it turned out,  clots were not present but the risks of failing to treat are such that it was certainly the right call to treat presumptively.

 

The stress diagnosis is one of exclusion and made only after excluding all other possibilities.

17 hours ago, connda said:

Show me the science behind that statement otherwise it's nothing but wind.  Show me scientific studies from the past where clusters of the population come down with blood clots and stroke systems, at the same time, due to "stress." 
Continue down this path and the medical community will lose all credibility.

 

 

These "clusters of the population" were 7 people, 6 of them working in the same location. Meanwhile several hundred thousand people received the same vaccine from the same batch with no adverse reaction. this alone raises immediately a suspicion of psychogenic origin. If it were a true adverse effect it would be evenly distributed among people receiving vaccine from the same batch.

 

Group hysteria can and does manifest with all sorts of symptoms and is far from uncommon especially in SE Asia.

 

google "mass psychogenic disorder " or "mass sociogenic disorder". Plenty of articles and reports.

 

Many cases in both Thailand and Cambodia prior to COVID. Especially among schoolkids and factory workers.

 

In this case awareness of reports that (different) COVID vaccines in rare cases cause blood clots probably played a role and suggested the symptoms, likely the recipients did nto understand that those, in addition to being extremely rare,  have been limited to vaccines with a completely different technology. 

 

Nothing to see here. there are certainly issues with Sinovac, mainly around its efficacy, but this is nto one of them.