THE WEEK THAT WAS The year long Phony War is over - unless you’re a pandemic denier

[Freigeist365]

Hey, Rooster - while ordering some FFP2 masks for yourself (and I hope you will wear them 24/7 as inhaling CO2 all day is a real kicker), why not also get some of those red armbands, you know - the ones with a white circle and a swastika... Those people wearing them back then had a mindset similar to yours when it came to deniers or foes of the ruling party. Hell yeah! Put it on and then get those deniers and stupid tinfoil hats who dare to ask uncomfortable questions and who don't repeat the official narrative over and over again like a brainless parrot, beat 'em up and throw them into camps. You' the man, Rooster, you' de maan!!!!

[xylophone]

6 hours ago, mikebike said:

Does the fault lie with the liar or with the rube? Is there no personal responsibility in your world. Is it not incumbent on you to determine if putting a bag over your head is a good idea or not? 

Well rubes exist in all walks of life and who knows what they will do with false/incorrect information?

 

Suffice it to say that the last US VP believed that the Earth was only 6000 years old, when vast amounts of verified  evidence says otherwise, and he was supposed to be intelligent, so what hope is there for others!

 

Anyway the conversation has moved on quite some way, and with a few indecipherable posts from someone trying to be a philosopher/scientist/psychologist rolled into one!

[cdemundo]

10 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:

there is no right or wrong, it's all about perception

Huh.

Anyway I have not seen any discussion of the flu vaccine but absolutely get it if it can help.

I got my flu vaccine.

Didn't know there had been push back on this idea, I see no downside.

[cdemundo]

10 hours ago, roger101 said:

I  am not so much worried about catching Covid the evidence is in my favour. I am much more worried about Long Covid which they now occurs in 1 in 7 patients afterwards. Reference The Sunday Times this morning.

Not worried about "catching COVID" but worried about "Long COVID"?

Huh?

[NorthernRyland]

1 hour ago, Stargrazer9889 said:

in Canada the variants are causing a large spike in COVID cases, and the younger people in their 20s to 50s

 

No this is just more media gaslighting. No idea why the cases spiked but nothing is happening as a result. The media is going to keep the fear cranked up to 10 all summer long just like they did last year.

[cdemundo]

1 hour ago, Patong2021 said:

Please remember that our human intelligence is on a Bell curve with 50% below the median. At least 25% are not capable of consideration of complex concepts. 16% +of the population does not even understand the characteristics of this disease and cannot do much more than follow precautions if repeatedly explained and reinforced. 

Very good point.  One characteristic of discussions on the internet is that you don't really know who you are talking to. The participants are completely (largely?) unfiltered, anyone can join in.  If a guy in a tinfoil hat sits next to me on public transportation and starts a rant I might just say "You might be right." and forget about it.  Sadly, here I am less likely to do that.

[Danderman123]

12 hours ago, upu2 said:

The virus is real. However cases are being considered as hospitalisations and deaths which they are not. You can have the virus feel a bit under the weather for a while and then feel fine. The people who are at risk are those who are obese or have underlaying health problems.

Not.

 

You will be shocked how many younger, healthy types will succumb over the next few weeks. It’s called a Cytokine storm, and it’s a way for Covid to kill healthy people.

[Guitarzan]

I hear about “cases”, where are the sick and dying?  Would it be fair to say far more people have died from suicides due to economic hardships than the virus?  
 

 

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, NorthernRyland said:

 

No this is just more media gaslighting. No idea why the cases spiked but nothing is happening as a result. The media is going to keep the fear cranked up to 10 all summer long just like they did last year.

 

 

So far, it has resulted about 50 deaths a day, but deaths generally lag new infections by 3 weeks.

 

So, you can tell the next thousand or so dead Canadians that they were gaslighted into fearing the epidemic.

 

i should say this as gently as possible, but in what world don’t you fear a widespread disease that has killed 3 million people?

 

[Danderman123]

15 minutes ago, Guitarzan said:

I hear about “cases”, where are the sick and dying?  Would it be fair to say far more people have died from suicides due to economic hardships than the virus?  
 

 

No.

 

in the US, suicide rates have plunged by 20%.

 

Thanks for playing.

[NorthernRyland]

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

You will be shocked how many younger, healthy types will succumb over the next few weeks. It’s called a Cytokine storm, and it’s a way for Covid to kill healthy people.

 

The media has been pushing this kind of fear porn on us for months now. NYT "trust the experts" warns of a super spreader event. Oh no! This was in the middle of a steep decline in cases (Fed 13th) and then guess what happened? NOTHING! They do this over and over again and they'll never stop until the public turns against them.

[AlexRich]

6 hours ago, Britman Free said:

Tragically cut down in his prime (aged 79) RIP

 

Life expectancy in the UK = 81

Average age of a UK covid victim = 82

 

????

The bulk of deaths are people who are old, or obese. In 1918-19 it was people in their prime, 18-26, with old people escaping relatively unharmed. It was thought that the victim’s immune systems were at their peak, and they died of cytokine storms, where the immune system itself attacks healthy cells. Older folk had experienced flu that was closer to that virus, so had a level of protection. And the very young had underdeveloped immune systems, so their bodies didn’t go overboard.
 

Your point is what? We should do nothing, just let them die? The next time it might affect a different age demographic. 

[Danderman123]

6 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

 

The media has been this kind of fear porn on us for months now. NYT "trust the experts" warns of a super spreader event. Oh no! This was in the middle of a steep decline in cases (Fed 13th) and then guess what happened? NOTHING! They do this over and over again and they'll never stop until the public turns against them.

 

Okay, so you think this epidemic is no big deal, and the media in the US is just overblowing the deaths of 600,000 Americans.....

 

Can I have some of what you are smoking?

 

BTW, after the Super Bowl, people from the US Northeast went back home with the virus, and infections surged in those states. Even now, although infection numbers are lower than the peak, they are still very high, even with all those vaccinations.  Florida, to be specific, has very high post-Super Bowl infection rates.

 

Whereas in California, infection rates are way down.

[WHansen]

The angry lunatics from BP have moved over to TV

[Matros61]

So it's not strange that the passed year, no one has died from the yearly flue?! Only Covid-19! Just saying! 

[NorthernRyland]

 

1 minute ago, Danderman123 said:

Okay, so you think this epidemic is no big deal, and the media in the US is just overblowing the deaths of 600,000 Americans.....

 

 

Who said that??? I never said that. All I said is the media is pushing fear and panic on us . All I want is for them to be HONEST about WHO is at risk so we can protect them as required. What they're doing instead is weaving endless narratives about doomsday scenarios so that Americans are living in irrational fear on a daily basis. They for some reason love browbeating average people into submission and I'm not having anymore of this nonsense.

 

[NorthernRyland]

12 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

Your point is what? We should do nothing, just let them die? The next time it might affect a different age demographic. 

enough of this nonsense. No one ever says that. What should have happened in TARGETED efforts to protect the vulnerable and not this bullying and gaslighting we see from media and concerned citizens. The COVID response in the West has been 10% public health and 90% browbeating and emotional abuse from our leaders. Enough is enough.

[Danderman123]

11 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

 

 

Who said that??? I never said that. All I said is the media is pushing fear and panic on us . All I want is for them to be HONEST about WHO is at risk so we can protect them as required. What they're doing instead is weaving endless narratives about doomsday scenarios so that Americans are living in irrational fear on a daily basis. They for some reason love browbeating average people into submission and I'm not having anymore of this nonsense.

 

You continue to claim that the pandemic is overblown, when 600,000 Americans have died. If you were seriously ill from Covid, it would seem like Doomsday to you.

 

The problem is not that the media is overblowing the biggest crisis on this planet in this century, the problem is that you’re not paying attention. Here is some information about a fellow denier:

 

Ted Nugent, who once dismissed Covid-19, tells fans he's tested positive for it

 

Just four months ago, Nugent doubted that the coronavirus even existed, calling it a "scamming pandemic" and vowing not to take any vaccine.

 

"It's not a real pandemic and that's not a real vaccine. I'm sorry, I ain't taking no vaccine," Nugent told fans in a video on Christmas Day.

 

"You come at me with a needle and I will be in fear of my life," he said. "You know what I'll do if you come at me with a needle: 'Hi, I'm from the government, this needle's good for you.' F--- you."

 

[Danderman123]

13 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

enough of this nonsense. No one ever says that. What should have happened in TARGETED efforts to protect the vulnerable and not this bullying and gaslighting we see from media and concerned citizens. The COVID response in the West has been 10% public health and 90% browbeating and emotional abuse from our leaders. Enough is enough.

Yeah, they tried those targeted efforts in Brazil. That didn’t work out so well.

[CLUBBER]

15 hours ago, gunderhill said:

The crime is  this, wanting to make it a  crime. The  slippery slope  to totalitarian rule, no thanks.

Agree 100% Idiots like the poster just don't get it !

[AlexRich]

1 hour ago, NorthernRyland said:

enough of this nonsense. No one ever says that. What should have happened in TARGETED efforts to protect the vulnerable and not this bullying and gaslighting we see from media and concerned citizens. The COVID response in the West has been 10% public health and 90% browbeating and emotional abuse from our leaders. Enough is enough.

Just read an article in the UK’s Sunday Times, about sufferers of long Covid, and they went from a 9 year old to a 47 year old, all of the people interviewed are struggling many months after contracting the virus. So how do we protect “the vulnerable” when they cover such a wide spectrum of society? 

[AlexRich]

1 hour ago, Matros61 said:

So it's not strange that the passed year, no one has died from the yearly flue?! Only Covid-19! Just saying! 

I don’t think it’s that difficult to understand. People are washing their hands frequently and we're not attending crowded areas. That and mask wearing, coupled with much bigger take up in flu jabs, explains most of it. I’ve not had a cold or flu in well over a year. That’s probably the longest stretch in my life. 

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, Matros61 said:

So it's not strange that the passed year, no one has died from the yearly flue?! Only Covid-19! Just saying! 

Do we really need to have a topic called “Infectious Diseases for Beginners”?

 

This isn’t rocket science: when so many people are wearing face masks, social distancing, and self isolating, what do you think is going to happen to the numbers of people infected by various communicable diseases?

 

 

[robblok]

11 hours ago, gunderhill said:

Yes , yes  I am  happy  with them spouting their  <deleted> and their right to do it, because there's a  difference between spouting it and physically doing it, and thats the difference you fail to recognise.

You fail to recognize that you don't have to do something physically to cause damage. If i tell a lot of lies about you and people believe them you will be damaged. So naive to think that writing things don't cause damage.. All Trump did was write lie and you can't say he did not cause imense damage and caused the capitol to be stormed. speech and writings are not harmless.

[Danderman123]

9 minutes ago, robblok said:

You fail to recognize that you don't have to do something physically to cause damage. If i tell a lot of lies about you and people believe them you will be damaged. So naive to think that writing things don't cause damage.. All Trump did was write lie and you can't say he did not cause imense damage and caused the capitol to be stormed. speech and writings are not harmless.

Those who lie about the epidemic should not be jailed. But, their lies should be exposed as such, via posting real scientific information.

[robblok]

1 minute ago, Danderman123 said:

Those who lie about the epidemic should not be jailed. But, their lies should be exposed as such, via posting real scientific information.

That does not work, just look at the misinformation on this forum. You will never convince the fruitcakes its futile. 

[NorthernRyland]

5 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

You continue to claim that the pandemic is overblown, when 600,000 Americans have died. If you were seriously ill from Covid, it would seem like Doomsday to you.

Yes but 600,000  is 0.0018% of the population and the average age of death is in the upper 70s. Doesn't that count for anything? I just checked the CDC and the deaths for people under 50 is 0.00007273% of the population!! That's for 2020 and now well into 2021. That's less then the number of people that die from traffic accidents every year and who knows what the condition of those people were, most likely numerous health problems with them. Btw this is the US which has one of the worst COVID outcomes in the world thanks to the pathetic health of the population.

 

So COVID is bad but it's not the global mega crisis the media is making it out to be. That's why I scoff at the fear mongering and mass hysteria.

 

Anyways I've said my part. I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. If you're at risk then stay home and avoid contact with the general population etc... etc...

[4MyEgo]

13 hours ago, Antonymous said:

 

Follow the money.

 

Indeed few are seen to be promoting immune system improvement and health improvement. Many of those doctors who do, find that their websites are shut down. That is part of the argument against the (end of) free speech opinion expressed by the OP.

 

Of course there are ways that we all can improve our immune system and health and you have mentioned some of them. Unfortunately all too often anyone who suggests that we should all be doing so is called a covid denier or conspiracy theorist or some such nonsense. The only accepted mantra now is: "Noone is safe unless everyone is safe". We have a new 'logic' that states that we need to vaccinate 7.8 billion people for a virus with a 99.95% median survival rate in under 70 year olds.

 

And to keep on vaccinating them. Naked profiteering. Follow the money.

 

Reading these threads on TV and talking with friends all over the world about their reaction to Covid, I have noticed that it is the over 70's with pre-existing medical conditions who are at the forefront - yelling the loudest - about the need for a magic pill (aka vaccine). They are the ones that express terror. They are the ones who above all others should be concentrating on improving their underlying health right now. And especially those in Thailand who may have to wait a very long time until that magic remedy is available.

 

 

Totally agree with you, that and most do not have private health insurance. We hear the same statistics over and over again, 20,000 infected over the past 3 weeks, 27 died, most with pre-existing conditions, some young who were obese, OMG, how many people in the world do they think are obese and why, bad eating habits, zero exercise.

 

What I find odd, is of the ones that they report that have left the hospital, zero talk on how many were old, middle age and if any had pre-existing conditions, I strongly believe if they did that and we got the numbers, you would more than likely see that there were a lot with pre-existing conditions that were in those hospital released numbers, but no, no need to push that out, just keep pushing, high infection rates, and deaths of those with pre-existing conditions.

 

No doubt me daring to suggest what I suggested above makes me a conspiracy theorist, these deniers are not listening, I have said it before time and time again, I am not anti vax, I have had all my shots, including annual Flu and Pneumonia shots and will get vaccinated when and if I feel the time is right, not because there is this massive push with governments around the world trying to use their powers to get us vaccinated because as you said, of a virus that has a low mortality rate for those under 70.

 

I have pre-existing conditions passed down through the genes of my parents, however, I know the best thing for me is to have a clean lifestyle when it comes to foods, vitamin supplements, exercise and sleep, which assists my immune system to be strong, but most are convinced that these experimental vaccinations under emergency use are the answer, why, because as you said, they are mostly over 70 years of age with pre-existing conditions, well what can I say except that if that makes them sleep better at night, go for it, your choice, but don't paint us that think outside the "conditioned" process since young to take it if we don't want it, or decide to take it at a later date, everyone has a choice, nothing to do with reaching herd immunity, it's not going to get there because a lot of people don't want these vaccinations, I can't think of one person that I know here or back in my home country who is going to get one, and they have all but one, had vaccinations all of their lives.

 

Governments around the world have sold there people off to Big Pharma, now you can call that a conspiracy statement.

[4MyEgo]

12 hours ago, jimbob123 said:

When you are unable to avoid spelling mistakes in a one word post then it's time to stop posting. 

 

OMG look at how long it took for a single TVF member to pick that up, or could it be that most TVF members got it, I hope your not one of those TVF members who could be diagnosed with OCD   ????

[4MyEgo]

12 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Great thesis, I'm sure, could you give us a précis?

 

You know the best part about TVF, the Add new user to ignore list ????