Thailand reports another daily record of 15 virus deaths, 2,179 cases

[ETatBKK]

today the 3rd outbreak, in just a month (from Apr 1, 2021) it takes more than 50% of the total caseload in the last 16 months (from Jan 2020).

 

April, 2021 vs since Jan 2020

30,824 / 59,687

 

are we still waiting for the miracle ?

 

[Excel]

1 minute ago, ETatBKK said:

today the 3rd outbreak, in just a month (from Apr 1, 2021) it takes more than 50% of the total caseload in the last 16 months (from Jan 2020).

 

April, 2021 vs since Jan 2020

30,824 / 59,687

 

are we still waiting for the miracle ?

 

No we are waiting for the government to release the true figures since the pandemic began

[MikeyIdea]

11 minutes ago, Excel said:

No we are waiting for the government to release the true figures since the pandemic began

 

After 30 years in Thailand, I've got a lot of Thai friends, wives, girlfriends, and boyfriends of friends working in hospitals around Bangkok, government as well as private. Occupancy has been normal. As all the sick you talk about didn't go to hospital, where did they go?

 

[anchadian]

Thai Enquirer

 

@ThaiEnquirer

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[Breaking] Thailand’s cabinet has transferred onto the prime minister emergency powers to do whatever is necessary to contain the pandemic. The prime minister will have sweeping powers to enact rules and regulations and issue executive commands.

[Excel]

5 minutes ago, MikeyIdea said:

 

After 30 years in Thailand, I've got a lot of Thai friends, wives, girlfriends, and boyfriends of friends working in hospitals around Bangkok, government as well as private. Occupancy has been normal. As all the sick you talk about didn't go to hospital, where did they go?

 

Well come back in a decades time you will not only have been here as long as me you may also have found out a bit more. Living in BKK hardly is a demonstration of how or what you know goes on in the rest of Thailand.

[Mavideol]

7 hours ago, webfact said:

 Thailand on Tuesday reported 15 new coronavirus deaths, a new daily record in a fast-rising third wave

they could hide the reality for so long, soon or later it would come out.... here it is, all under control as they say

 

(P.S: the above post may has sarcasm intent, not to be considered as a statement  555)

[rabas]

21 minutes ago, MikeyIdea said:

After 30 years in Thailand, I've got a lot of Thai friends, wives, girlfriends, and boyfriends of friends working in hospitals around Bangkok, government as well as private. Occupancy has been normal. As all the sick you talk about didn't go to hospital, where did they go?

And they all work in ICU sections?

 

Is there something about ICU wives and girlfriends? I used to know someone fascinated with female morticians, but he is no longer here...

 

Edited April 27, 2021 by rabas

[Mavideol]

7 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Per The Thai Enquirer:

 

"A curfew/partial lockdown has been introduced in the following six provinces to stem the tide of Covid-19."

 

Note: the curfews listed here are generally voluntary ones where the local governments have asked residents to stay home during those hours.

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/ThaiEnquirer/posts/307869544033919

 

should we understand the lockdown means the virus will be out and contagious (in certain areas) around 21.00 hours until 4.00 Hours and after 4.00 and 21.00 hours no problems with the virus thus no lockdown required   555

 

(sarcasm intended)

 

[MikeyIdea]

43 minutes ago, Excel said:

Well come back in a decades time you will not only have been here as long as me you may also have found out a bit more. Living in BKK hardly is a demonstration of how or what you know goes on in the rest of Thailand.

 

Were talking about a pandemic here. Pandemics normally move fast within metropolitan areas and then slowly from metropolitan areas to less populated areas upcountry. Bangkok is the biggest metropolitan area in Thailand and that hospital occupancy wasn't up there puts doubt to your theory.

 

A prerequisite for the cases you talk about is that hospital occupancy must have been up. How do you know that hospital occupancy was up where you say the cases were? It's a fair question, don't you think?

 

 

Edited April 27, 2021 by MikeyIdea

[Excel]

1 minute ago, Mavideol said:

they could hide the reality for so long, soon or later it would come out.... here it is, all under control as they say

 

(P.S: the above post may has sarcasm intent, not to be considered as a statement  555)

Yes that is the sad thing. Whilst it was obvious to a blind man that the government figures were inaccurate, the measures taken by the government were at times conflicting, there were also many on here who were supportive of the government, who knows they may be Thai army propogandists, and even the sad  bunch of deniers.  The very very sad thing is that they all had one thing in common. Ignoring the misery that thousands of families are going through whether it be  unfortunately a deceased family member , looking after sick members of the family ( and yes in the real Thailand they do that first) or even considering the millions of people out of work. There are even those those in those groupings above that despise bar girls whose sole aim is to provide for their families. Its a sad sad world we live but you know it ultimately comes down to what is a good person. Of course in this pandemic that may be interpreted differently by some. Is it a good person that brags about leaving a bigger tip than others ? or is it a good person that likes to ridicule others for not following the rules ?.  No in my book a good person is one that puts others before themselves, and that is something that neither members of the Thai government and many others have demonstrated thus far, nor the deniers who refuse to wear masks and potentially infect others. As I said a sad world. Let's hope that one day we can put this behind us and learn from it - now history tells us that last part is seldom accomplished. Take care and be safe .

[MikeyIdea]

16 minutes ago, rabas said:

And they all work in ICU sections?

 

Is there something about ICU wives and girlfriends? I used to know someone fascinated with female morticians, but he is no longer here...

 

 

Most infected don't end up in ICU at all and contagious diseases are communicated as part of the standard update every start of shift.

Edited April 27, 2021 by MikeyIdea

[anchadian]

Richard Barrow 

 

@RichardBarrow

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Koh Chang island won’t be closing after all. Only three days to go to the next 4-day long weekend. What could possibly go wrong? Are you travelling or will you #StayHome

 

? Judging by all the questions I’m getting, many people plan to go away this weekend #Thailand

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Thai News Reports

 

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UPDATE: At a meeting this afternoon, it was decided not to close Koh Chang island to tourists. The reasoning is that this time they are more experienced and have faith that strict measures will help contain the virus. So far, eight people have tested positive #COVID19 #Thailand

[rabas]

34 minutes ago, MikeyIdea said:

 

Most infected don't end up in ICU at all and contagious diseases are communicated as part of the standard update every start of shift.

 

Then maybe I am wrong. I though most COVID patients in hospitals (not field hospitals) were placed in special facilities, isolation or negative pressure rooms. or ICUs depending on condition, to prevent spread.  Thus ordinary wards would not be full. 

[brewsterbudgen]

2 hours ago, AlfHuy said:

 

 

 

Thai News Reports

 

 

BREAKING: The Minister of Education has just announced that the new academic year for Thai schools will be postponed by two weeks. Schools were due to open in mid-May. They will now open on 1st June 2021 #Thailand

 

 

 

I guess shopping malls and restaurants are more important than children's education and physical/mental health.  Shameful.

[impulse]

8 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

The good news for today is that we won't get deluged by posts about the definition of "exponential", nor the usual messages about the incompetence of the Thai government (except when it comes to vaccines).

 

Don't jinx it.

[Excel]

30 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

 

I guess shopping malls and restaurants are more important than children's education and physical/mental health.  Shameful.

They are if you own them 

[bwpage3]

9 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Although deaths will continue to climb for a bit, it appears that the epidemic has reached a plateau.

It is just getting started.

[Bkk Brian]

2 hours ago, MikeyIdea said:

 

After 30 years in Thailand, I've got a lot of Thai friends, wives, girlfriends, and boyfriends of friends working in hospitals around Bangkok, government as well as private. Occupancy has been normal. As all the sick you talk about didn't go to hospital, where did they go?

 

This was reported 5 days ago, situation will now be much worse. ICU is in a dire state

 

Covid-19 patients occupying nearly half of hospital beds nationwide

 

Covid-19 patients have taken up 19,386 out of 40,524 available hospital beds nationwide, or 47.8 per cent, Dr Taweesilp Visanuyothin, spokesman of the governments Centre for Covid-19 Situation Administration said on Saturday.

 

 "Hospitals in metropolitan areas will be able to accept new ICU patients for another 10 days, while hospitals elsewhere will have capacity for 20 days."

 

- AIIR or Airborne Infection Isolation Room: 409 out of 704 beds were occupied, or 58.1 per cent

- Modified AIIR rooms: 1,009 out of 1,688 beds were occupied, or 59.8 per cent

- Isolated rooms: 5,857 out of 9,206 beds were occupied, or 63.6 per cent

- Cohort ward: 8,894 out of 22,435 beds were occupied, or 39.6 per cent

- Cohort ICU: 3,129 out of 6,333 beds were occupied, or 49.4 per cent

- Hospitel (hotels serving as hospitals): 88 out of 158 beds were occupied, or 55.7 per cent

“In Bangkok and surrounding areas, 11,075 beds were used by Covid-19 patients of the total 16,422 hospital beds available, or 67.4 per cent,” he added.

 

https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/40000181

Edited April 27, 2021 by Bkk Brian

[Sheryl]

The wild card here is whether there will be new clusters emerging in outer provinces as a result of the Songkran exodus.

 

This may not be very visible  with the first generation of people infected (numbers may be too few) but rather after they have infected others who infected others etc and the number is large enough to produce some serious cases. 

 

I don't have a sense for how much things are shut down in the non "red zone" provinces and that will be an important factor in how much secondary/tertiary spread there is.

 

 

 

 

[ThailandRyan]

 

2 hours ago, MikeyIdea said:

 

After 30 years in Thailand, I've got a lot of Thai friends, wives, girlfriends, and boyfriends of friends working in hospitals around Bangkok, government as well as private. Occupancy has been normal. As all the sick you talk about didn't go to hospital, where did they go?

 

 

13 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

This was reported 5 ago, situation will now be much worse. ICU is in a dire state

 

Covid-19 patients occupying nearly half of hospital beds nationwide

 

Covid-19 patients have taken up 19,386 out of 40,524 available hospital beds nationwide, or 47.8 per cent, Dr Taweesilp Visanuyothin, spokesman of the governments Centre for Covid-19 Situation Administration said on Saturday.

 

 "Hospitals in metropolitan areas will be able to accept new ICU patients for another 10 days, while hospitals elsewhere will have capacity for 20 days."

 

- AIIR or Airborne Infection Isolation Room: 409 out of 704 beds were occupied, or 58.1 per cent

- Modified AIIR rooms: 1,009 out of 1,688 beds were occupied, or 59.8 per cent

- Isolated rooms: 5,857 out of 9,206 beds were occupied, or 63.6 per cent

- Cohort ward: 8,894 out of 22,435 beds were occupied, or 39.6 per cent

- Cohort ICU: 3,129 out of 6,333 beds were occupied, or 49.4 per cent

- Hospitel (hotels serving as hospitals): 88 out of 158 beds were occupied, or 55.7 per cent

“In Bangkok and surrounding areas, 11,075 beds were used by Covid-19 patients of the total 16,422 hospital beds available, or 67.4 per cent,” he added.

 

https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/40000181

 

I believe he must think it is a conspiracy, beds in hospitals are empty, and it is not happening based upon the many friends he claims to have in the medical field.  Some people won't believe it even when it's staring them in the face. 

[Bkk Brian]

This is a pretty significant statistic on covid deaths and the time between a covid test and death. Average is now only 4 days!!

 

Infographic by @thematterco showing the number of days (number in red circle) between being diagnosed with #COVID19 (date in green) and the patient dying (date in red). The first column is the age. The average length of time for the last 30 cases is only four days #Thailand

 

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=321163199369950&set=a.212825276870410

[Danderman123]

6 hours ago, school12 said:

According to this report actual ifr worldwide is 0.15

 

the available evidence suggests average global IFR of ~0.15% and ~1.5-2.0 billion infections by February 2021 with substantial differences in IFR and in infection spread across continents, countries and locations.

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33768536/

There are 2 different numbers discussed in this topic:

 

Fatalities among the general public, and

 

Fatalities among the infected.

 

In the UK, general public fatalities are 1864 in one million = 0.18%.

[brewsterbudgen]

9 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

This is a pretty significant statistic on covid deaths and the time between a covid test and death. Average is now only 4 days!!

 

Infographic by @thematterco showing the number of days (number in red circle) between being diagnosed with #COVID19 (date in green) and the patient dying (date in red). The first column is the age. The average length of time for the last 30 cases is only four days #Thailand

 

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=321163199369950&set=a.212825276870410

Who is @thematterco ? Where is the information collated from? It seems very unusual and rather pointless.

[Danderman123]

3 hours ago, MikeyIdea said:

 

After 30 years in Thailand, I've got a lot of Thai friends, wives, girlfriends, and boyfriends of friends working in hospitals around Bangkok, government as well as private. Occupancy has been normal. As all the sick you talk about didn't go to hospital, where did they go?

 

So, the 200 people reported to be on ventilators don’t exist?

 

The government is setting up field hospitals because why?

[impulse]

25 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

This is a pretty significant statistic on covid deaths and the time between a covid test and death. Average is now only 4 days!!

 

Infographic by @thematterco showing the number of days (number in red circle) between being diagnosed with #COVID19 (date in green) and the patient dying (date in red). The first column is the age. The average length of time for the last 30 cases is only four days #Thailand

 

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=321163199369950&set=a.212825276870410

 

 

I don't know if it's that disturbing.  I suspect most Thai people don't get tested until they know they're in trouble.  Resistance to testing is an unintended consequence of forcing all positive tests into a quarantine bed, including those who would be fine just staying home for 14 days or so.

 

[Bkk Brian]

16 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Who is @thematterco ? Where is the information collated from? It seems very unusual and rather pointless.

This was from a facebook post from Richard Barrow who was referencing the Thai news agency website https://thematter.co/

 

I would imagine the info is collated from the daily CCSA and Dept of Disease Control briefs same as they do everyday.

 

Not sure its pointless however, its an important statistic for health professionals, why are deaths happening so quickly after being tested? Do you know why?

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

1 hour ago, rabas said:

 

Then maybe I am wrong. I though most COVID patients in hospitals (not field hospitals) were placed in special facilities, isolation or negative pressure rooms. or ICUs depending on condition, to prevent spread.  Thus ordinary wards would not be full. 

 

I think you're correct about that, and the other poster above is wrong.

 

I think, the government was playing games a bit in talking about the share of TOTAL hospital beds that were still available in the context of COVID, when what the public health officials were really worried about was/is the looming shortage of air isolation and ICU rooms, of which there are far fewer than general hospital beds, including wards with 10 or 20 beds per room.

 

The last thing medical folks are going to want to do is mix in hospitalized, infectious COVID patients with non-COVID hospital patients who are there because they're already having some other kind of health problem. Not to mention, the medical staff in the general rooms and wards aren't running around all day wearing the spacesuit type gear to keep from getting infected by CV.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

This is a pretty significant statistic on covid deaths and the time between a covid test and death. Average is now only 4 days!!

 

Infographic by @thematterco showing the number of days (number in red circle) between being diagnosed with #COVID19 (date in green) and the patient dying (date in red). The first column is the age. The average length of time for the last 30 cases is only four days #Thailand

 

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=321163199369950&set=a.212825276870410

 

 

"The average length of time for the last 30 cases is only four days #Thailand"

 

It looks like their graphic is only covering some portion of the deaths from the 25th thru the 27th. There were more than 30 COVID deaths in just those three days alone. It's a pretty small, narrow sample. But interesting to see nonetheless.

 

FAVIPIRAVIR:

Something I've been thinking about: the recent pronouncements by the government would suggest that the anti viral drug favipiravir one of Thailand's main treatment methods for COVID... They've been ordering tons of the stuff... And yet, from the reports I've read, it's far from a settled issue of just how effective that drug really is against COVID.

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"A team of scientists from the South Pest Central Hospital and the Semmelweis University, Hungary, have conducted an observational study to evaluate the efficacy of an anti-influenza medicine favipiravir in treating hospitalized coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) patients. The study reveals that favipiravir does not affect disease progression and all-cause mortality. The study is currently available on the MedRxiv* preprint server."

 

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20201211/Favipiravir-does-not-attenuate-the-progression-of-COVID-19.aspx

 

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The UK is planning to study the use of favipiravir:

 

"The drug has shown positive results against SARS-CoV-2 in laboratory and animal studies, with small pilot studies in humans demonstrating some benefit in reducing symptoms and the duration of illness."

 

https://www.nihr.ac.uk/news/favipiravir-to-be-investigated-as-a-possible-covid-19-treatment-for-at-home-recovery-in-the-principle-trial/27426

 

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As I said, it seems far from a settled treatment for hospitalized COVID at this point.

 

Not exactly a medical who's who:

"At the time of writing of the manuscript, Japan, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Thailand, Kenya and four states, including Maharashtra from India have recommended the usage of favipiravir oral therapy in mild to moderate COVID-19 in the treatment guidelines."

 

https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)32273-6/fulltext

 

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And it doesn't seem to be on the U.S.'s list:

 

"Remdesivir, an antiviral agent, is currently the only drug that is approved by the FDA for the treatment of COVID-19. It is recommended for use in hospitalized patients who require supplemental oxygen. However, it is not routinely recommended for patients who require mechanical ventilation due to the lack of data showing benefit at this advanced stage of the disease.^3-6

 

Dexamethasone, a corticosteroid, has been found to improve survival in hospitalized patients who require supplemental oxygen, with the greatest benefit observed in patients who require mechanical ventilation. Therefore, the use of dexamethasone is strongly recommended in this setting^.7-10"

 

 

https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapeutic-management/

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

It looks like their graphic is only covering some portion of the deaths from the 25th thru the 27th. There were more than 30 COVID deaths in just those three days alone. It's a pretty small, narrow sample.

 

Even so to see that 6 deaths occurred after being tested the previous day is a bit scary

[edwardandtubs]

22 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

 

 

Not sure its pointless however, its an important statistic for health professionals, why are deaths happening so quickly after being tested? Do you know why?

Probably just because we're very early on in this wave of infections so not many deaths yet. As time goes and more of the people who got infected recently die then the gap between testing and death will get longer.

Edited April 27, 2021 by edwardandtubs