Absolute Risk Reduction per the Lancet

[school12]

According the Lancet, your absolute risk reduction of getting covid in getting vaccinated is between 0.84 and 1.3%

"ARRs tend to be ignored because they give a much less impressive effect size than RRRs: 1·3% for the AstraZeneca–Oxford, 1·2% for the Moderna–NIH, 1·2% for the J&J, 0·93% for the Gamaleya, and 0·84% for the Pfizer–BioNTech vaccines."

 

In this article they also explain how many people need to be vaccinated to reduce 1 more case of covid.  This number ranges from 76 to 117.

"76 for the Moderna–NIH, 78 for the AstraZeneca–Oxford, 80 for the Gamaleya, 84 for the J&J, and 117 for the Pfizer–BioNTech vaccines"

 

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanmic/article/PIIS2666-5247(21)00069-0/fulltext

[cdemundo]

Absolute risk reduction is not that informative.

Your absolute risk of getting COVID is a very small number.

Think about it, what percent of the population has come down with COVID?

This is a statistic helpful to public health officials and epidemiologists, hence it is in the Lancet.

 

The relative risk of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated people is more informative for the average person.

It is however very common (especially on TVF) to hear people talking about relative risk numbers as if they were absolute risk stats.  "50% effective?, not worth getting."

[cclub75]

8 hours ago, cdemundo said:

Absolute risk reduction is not that informative.

Your absolute risk of getting COVID is a very small number.

 

 

Thank you to remind us... this key data about... this terrible pandemic that is destroying humanity.

 

The risk is very small. ????

 

So let's all get vaccinated against a terrible infectious disease.... that each of us has a very little risk to catch.

 

You have perfectly summarized the whole drama.

 

Now, if we ask vaccinated people (or people who wish to get vaccinated) about relative or absolute risk... the problem is... they shall answer "what do we eat tonight ?" or "will Barcelona beat Manchester next year"

 

They just do not understand this fundamental piece of data....

 

Too bad for the "informed consent", this cornerstone of medecine...

 

Enjoy your Covid-19 vaccine.

Edited May 23, 2021 by cclub75

[cdemundo]

2 hours ago, cclub75 said:

 

Thank you to remind us... this key data about... this terrible pandemic that is destroying humanity.

 

The risk is very small. ????

 

So let's all get vaccinated against a terrible infectious disease.... that each of us has a very little risk to catch.

 

You have perfectly summarized the whole drama.

 

Now, if we ask vaccinated people (or people who wish to get vaccinated) about relative or absolute risk... the problem is... they shall answer "what do we eat tonight ?" or "will Barcelona beat Manchester next year"

 

They just do not understand this fundamental piece of data....

 

Too bad for the "informed consent", this cornerstone of medecine...

 

Enjoy your Covid-19 vaccine.

What I said was the absolute risk number is a "very small number".

For the innumerate very small numbers and very large numbers are difficult to understand.

 

Also, sometimes the apparent frequency of certain conditions can be overestimated.

For example if a person reads TVF they could be forgiven for thinking that a large percent of the population has "an arthropod lodged in their posterior" .  In non-medical language people might say "a lotta people have a bug up their a$$".  That is not really the case, TVF is not a representative sample of the public at large.

 

 

[Jeffr2]

10 hours ago, cclub75 said:

 

Thank you to remind us... this key data about... this terrible pandemic that is destroying humanity.

 

The risk is very small. ????

 

So let's all get vaccinated against a terrible infectious disease.... that each of us has a very little risk to catch.

 

You have perfectly summarized the whole drama.

 

Now, if we ask vaccinated people (or people who wish to get vaccinated) about relative or absolute risk... the problem is... they shall answer "what do we eat tonight ?" or "will Barcelona beat Manchester next year"

 

They just do not understand this fundamental piece of data....

 

Too bad for the "informed consent", this cornerstone of medecine...

 

Enjoy your Covid-19 vaccine.

Vaccines work.  Just look at the US, Israel, etc.  Covid deniers hurt society, not help.  Stop posting your nonsense.  It' helps no one.