Gloom and Doom, revisited.

[Leaver]

3 hours ago, 3NUMBAS said:

uk adults are 94% jabbed but the delta strain is roaring away .double  jabbed wont save you

or even single jabbed..38000 cases and 174 dead in recent days

 

There's some truth to your post, but it's a little sensationalised.  

 

The vaccine/s do offer some protection against Delta, albeit, not as much as everyone would like. 

 

Let's hope the world can get on top of Covid-19 before it evolves into Covid-20, which could be a lot worse than what we currently have to deal with.   

[scubascuba3]

8 hours ago, 3NUMBAS said:

uk adults are 94% jabbed but the delta strain is roaring away .double  jabbed wont save you

or even single jabbed..38000 cases and 174 dead in recent days

Obviously it will in most cases. You understand it reduces the severity?

[jacko45k]

1 hour ago, scubascuba3 said:

Obviously it will in most cases. You understand it reduces the severity?

Although the UK still shows nearly 7000 Covid patients in hospitals, and very near a thousand ventilated. 

[scubascuba3]

40 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Although the UK still shows nearly 7000 Covid patients in hospitals, and very near a thousand ventilated. 

could be unvaccinated, underlying conditions etc etc.

 

A few weeks ago in the US, 98% of delta infections were the unvaccinated

[GroveHillWanderer]

16 hours ago, 3NUMBAS said:

uk adults are 94% jabbed but the delta strain is roaring away .double  jabbed wont save you

or even single jabbed..38000 cases and 174 dead in recent days

94% of UK adults are not vaccinated. According to figures from the Office of National Statistics, about 79% of adults have been fully vaccinated in the UK. And anyway, most of the recent Delta variant cases are in the unvaccinated, including many in the under 18 age range.

 

As mentioned in the Guardian article below:

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The latest data from the Office for National Statistics shows that coronavirus in England is now largely an infection among young adults, with cases in 16- to 24-year-olds almost six times more common than in 50- to 69-year-olds.

Doctors warn over increasing number of young people with Covid in ICU

 

And being double jabbed almost certainly will save you since only a very small percentage of people who are fully vaccinated, are being hospitalised or dying.

[swissie]

21 hours ago, Leaver said:

 

There's some truth to your post, but it's a little sensationalised.  

 

The vaccine/s do offer some protection against Delta, albeit, not as much as everyone would like. 

 

Let's hope the world can get on top of Covid-19 before it evolves into Covid-20, which could be a lot worse than what we currently have to deal with.   

Yep! COVID may turn out to be the ultimative "monkey-wrench". Especially as the "global-vaccination-effort" must already be classified as a failure. Vaccination-Rate in Africa less than 2%, for example.  Plus the 30% of hard-core infantile malcontents, refusing to get vaccinated, taking their clues from some Internet-Morons.

This way, we are giving the Virus plenty of time to mutate. To a point, where no vaccine will offer any protection anymore. Just a matter of time.
Under these circumstances, ANY business-decision must resemble a session at a Roulette table in Las Vegas.

[Leaver]

39 minutes ago, swissie said:

Yep! COVID may turn out to be the ultimative "monkey-wrench". Especially as the "global-vaccination-effort" must already be classified as a failure. Vaccination-Rate in Africa less than 2%, for example.  Plus the 30% of hard-core infantile malcontents, refusing to get vaccinated, taking their clues from some Internet-Morons.

This way, we are giving the Virus plenty of time to mutate. To a point, where no vaccine will offer any protection anymore. Just a matter of time.
Under these circumstances, ANY business-decision must resemble a session at a Roulette table in Las Vegas.

 

Yes, I agree.  I expected a global response like something we saw in the movies with aliens attacking planet earth, or an asteroid soon to collide with earth.  

 

A response where by countries put aside their political, religious, and economic differences, for the benefit of humanity.  Vaccine factories in most countries.  Mass vaccination centres all over the globe.  Wealthier countries assisting poorer countries.  Billions of people vaccinated in the fastest possible time.  

 

Sadly, this was not the response the people of the world got.  The United Nations is useless.  The virus will propagate, if not in some countries, certainly in others.  

 

The window period is closing for the vaccine/s staying ahead of covid.  

 

Edited August 29, 2021 by Leaver

[kwilco]

On 8/27/2021 at 3:59 PM, Golden Triangle said:

For someone who appears to have a wealth of knowledge on the subject you seem to be awfully reticent on sharing that knowledge with others who may appreciate the information, you seem to be quite content to ridicule others, you do know that it's a 2 way street ? One day you may come asking for advice only to be ridiculed for your naivety on the subject. 

Theres a difference between asking for advice and just being ignorant about a topic but still commenting on it.

Get up to speed before you express an "opinion".

[thaibeachlovers]

18 hours ago, Leaver said:

I expected a global response like something we saw in the movies with aliens attacking planet earth, or an asteroid soon to collide with earth.  

Why? Some of our leaders didn't even bother following their own rules. If they didn't take it seriously, why would they do more than they had to in their own countries?

 

Nothing is free, and someone would have to pay to provide vaccines to poor countries, which would be problematic for western leaders with an eye on the next election. Having imposed economy destroying lockdowns and printed huge amounts of inflation creating money, they must surely be reluctant to be seen to be spending large to provide vaccines to hugely corrupt countries. Indeed, the personal wealth of some leaders could possibly pay for all the vaccines needed in their own countries.

Have rich Islamic countries like Saudi Arabia paid for vaccines in poor Muslim countries? If they haven't, why should western countries do so?

[Leaver]

On 8/30/2021 at 5:14 PM, thaibeachlovers said:

Why?

For the benefit of the human species.  

 

On 8/30/2021 at 5:14 PM, thaibeachlovers said:

Some of our leaders didn't even bother following their own rules.

Probably something that will come back to them in the next election.

 

On 8/30/2021 at 5:14 PM, thaibeachlovers said:

If they didn't take it seriously, why would they do more than they had to in their own countries?

Maybe because dead citizens don't pay taxes.  ????  

 

On 8/30/2021 at 5:14 PM, thaibeachlovers said:

Nothing is free, and someone would have to pay

I would have thought the governments from every country contribute an amount of money, based on an economic formula, in relation to each country's capacity to pay a certain contribution.

 

On 8/30/2021 at 5:14 PM, thaibeachlovers said:

Have rich Islamic countries like Saudi Arabia paid for vaccines in poor Muslim countries?

No, just pay an amount according to their capacity to do so.  It has nothing to do with religion.  

 

 

 

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

17 hours ago, Leaver said:

For the benefit of the human species.  

LOL. For the benefit of a species that has busily been destroying the environment for over 100 years, wages war incessantly, is cruel, is dog eat dog, where 10% or less of the population owns almost all the wealth, cared nothing for poor people before corona came along- need I list more crimes of the human species to prove my point?

 

If it's a case of western countries paying for everyone else, let's start by taxing the rich 99% of anything earned over 1 million US$, and nothing from the middle class that are being destroyed by lockdowns.

 

 

[jacko45k]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL. For the benefit of a species that has busily been destroying the environment for over 100 years, wages war incessantly, is cruel, is dog eat dog, where 10% or less of the population owns almost all the wealth, cared nothing for poor people before corona came along- need I list more crimes of the human species to prove my point?

 

If it's a case of western countries paying for everyone else, let's start by taxing the rich 99% of anything earned over 1 million US$, and nothing from the middle class that are being destroyed by lockdowns.

 

 

Well done, 100% on topic. A rare thing around here. 

[Rimmer]

Off topic baiting and bickering removed

[Leaver]

On 9/2/2021 at 7:23 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL. For the benefit of a species that has busily been destroying the environment for over 100 years, wages war incessantly, is cruel, is dog eat dog, where 10% or less of the population owns almost all the wealth, cared nothing for poor people before corona came along- need I list more crimes of the human species to prove my point?

 

If it's a case of western countries paying for everyone else, let's start by taxing the rich 99% of anything earned over 1 million US$, and nothing from the middle class that are being destroyed by lockdowns.

 

 

 

No argument from me.

 

What do you suggest?  A global revolution against the rich?  ???? 

[swissie]

On 9/2/2021 at 2:23 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL. For the benefit of a species that has busily been destroying the environment for over 100 years, wages war incessantly, is cruel, is dog eat dog, where 10% or less of the population owns almost all the wealth, cared nothing for poor people before corona came along- need I list more crimes of the human species to prove my point?

 

If it's a case of western countries paying for everyone else, let's start by taxing the rich 99% of anything earned over 1 million US$, and nothing from the middle class that are being destroyed by lockdowns.

 

 

Right on. There are only 2 kinds of humans left. The ones with "capital" and the ones that only have "labor" as their only asset. The ones with capital have been thriving over the last 30 years, while the price for labor has remained stagnant over the same period of time. With the result, that wealth created by labor has ended up in the wallets of the ones "with capital".        "The great vacuum cleaner sucking up everything and all ending up in the dustbags of the ones with capital", as one economist described it.

There are 2 ways to rectify this situation:
- A global tax-system, based on the simple question: Why does a single individual need to own more than 5 Million $ ? For starters, then take it from there.
- Or the situation will rectify itself the traditional way, with blood in the streets. Not going to happen as long as "the masses" are kept in a comatose state of mind with "bread & games". This concept worked for the Romans and it still works today. But take one of those 2 componants out  of the equasion and off we go. Case in point: COVID restrictions. With the "game-factor" gone, how fast "the masses" have turned "restless". Amazing!

How about Thailand? Thanks to a deeply rooted buddhist/monarchist tradition, Thailand might well be one of the last countries, where the population truly gets "restless". I can not see the rural Thai population supporting any sort of armed "Guerrilla-Movements".
Good news for Expats: No need to pull up stakes in Thailand hurriedly in favour of Venezuela, Zimbabwe or Eastern Timbuktu.

 

[kwilco]

1 hour ago, swissie said:

Right on. There are only 2 kinds of humans left. The ones with "capital" and the ones that only have "labor" as their only asset. The ones with capital have been thriving over the last 30 years, while the price for labor has remained stagnant over the same period of time. With the result, that wealth created by labor has ended up in the wallets of the ones "with capital".        "The great vacuum cleaner sucking up everything and all ending up in the dustbags of the ones with capital", as one economist described it.

There are 2 ways to rectify this situation:
- A global tax-system, based on the simple question: Why does a single individual need to own more than 5 Million $ ? For starters, then take it from there.
- Or the situation will rectify itself the traditional way, with blood in the streets. Not going to happen as long as "the masses" are kept in a comatose state of mind with "bread & games". This concept worked for the Romans and it still works today. But take one of those 2 componants out  of the equasion and off we go. Case in point: COVID restrictions. With the "game-factor" gone, how fast "the masses" have turned "restless". Amazing!

How about Thailand? Thanks to a deeply rooted buddhist/monarchist tradition, Thailand might well be one of the last countries, where the population truly gets "restless". I can not see the rural Thai population supporting any sort of armed "Guerrilla-Movements".
Good news for Expats: No need to pull up stakes in Thailand hurriedly in favour of Venezuela, Zimbabwe or Eastern Timbuktu.

 

Well you missed out on the post war years.. there were "guerilla" movements right into the 1980s.... since then the US backed military has dominated..

The last 2 coups were aimed at suppressing what in fact is a majority of the population.

[Leaver]

On 9/5/2021 at 10:43 PM, swissie said:

There are only 2 kinds of humans left. The ones with "capital" and the ones that only have "labor" as their only asset.

 

You missed the third kind of human left - criminals.  ???? 

 

On 9/5/2021 at 10:43 PM, swissie said:

I can not see the rural Thai population supporting any sort of armed "Guerrilla-Movements".

I agree.

 

The Thai's are good at fighting drunken tourists, 5 on 1, but not so good at fighting at fighting for freedom and equality.  ????  

[Leaver]

On 9/6/2021 at 12:01 AM, kwilco said:

The last 2 coups were aimed at suppressing what in fact is a majority of the population.

 

Makes for an interesting next coup, whenever that may be. 

 

Does the Thai Army go against what is basically a sitting Thai Army government, with no end in sight to their reign, or do they eventually take power on behalf of the majority of Thai people? 

 

Or, will mass protests civil unrest descend into chaos?  After all, post covid, what do Thai's that have lost everything have to lose?

 

One thing is for sure, the longer the Thai Army is in control of the county, the more Thailand falls behind.  

 

Edited September 17, 2021 by Leaver