Deadline to apply for Non-Imm O retirement extension

[Soup Dragon]

Hi all. I'm coming in on Non-Imm O visa (90 days) and hope to do 1-year retirement extension (with 800,000). What's the latest I can apply for the extension, as the money needs to be in the bank account for at least 60 days before day of application. Looking at my schdule it looks a bit tight. I arrive in BKK on 27 July, then 14 days quarantine (out of quarantine on August 10). Visa expires on 24 October. Let's say I transfer the money to Thai bank account on 12 or 13 of August (need to open the account first), that only gives me 12 days before the visa expires to put in the application. Is that enough days? I've read through the forum and seen that the application has to be done within the last 30 days of the entry visa.

 

Thanks

SD

[merijn]

You can apply for the extension up to 45 days before your entry expire date.

If you want you can apply on the last or before last day but I would not recommended it.

[Tanoshi]

Your Non O Visa is used the minute you enter Thailand.

The 800K must be in the bank for 2 months, not 60 days.

You can apply to extend your stay as soon as the funds have been in the bank for 2 months.

[Soup Dragon]

OK thanks for the replies. I like the sound of the 45-day extension before applying for the retirement extension. It would give me the breathing space to make sure the money is in the account for at least the 2 months (not 60 days).

 

 

[Soup Dragon]

Sorry. Just realised I read about the "45-day extension" the wrong way. It's applying for the retirement extension 45 days in advance of visa expiry. Think I've got it now.

[OJAS]

3 hours ago, merijn said:

You can apply for the extension up to 45 days before your entry expire date.

 

Only if the OP is planning to settle in Bangkok or Chiang Mai (+ maybe 1 or 2 other places?). Otherwise it's 30 days as he stated.

[OJAS]

1 hour ago, Soup Dragon said:

OK thanks for the replies. I like the sound of the 45-day extension before applying for the retirement extension. It would give me the breathing space to make sure the money is in the account for at least the 2 months (not 60 days).

 

As alluded to in my reply to merjin, it's only definitely 45 days if you're planning to settle in Bangkok or Chiang Mai. Otherwise it's 30 days as stated in your OP.

[merijn]

3 hours ago, OJAS said:

 

Only if the OP is planning to settle in Bangkok or Chiang Mai (+ maybe 1 or 2 other places?). Otherwise it's 30 days as he stated.

Most of the immigration offices use the 45 day option.

[Tuvoc]

13 hours ago, Soup Dragon said:

Hi all. I'm coming in on Non-Imm O visa (90 days) and hope to do 1-year retirement extension (with 800,000). What's the latest I can apply for the extension, as the money needs to be in the bank account for at least 60 days before day of application. Looking at my schdule it looks a bit tight. I arrive in BKK on 27 July, then 14 days quarantine (out of quarantine on August 10). Visa expires on 24 October. Let's say I transfer the money to Thai bank account on 12 or 13 of August (need to open the account first), that only gives me 12 days before the visa expires to put in the application. Is that enough days?

 

Yes it is tight but do-able. I was in the same situation. I opened a Bangkok Bank bank account the same day I was released from quarantine, and then used Transferwise (now Wise) to get the funds in there very fast. Being Bangkok Bank and the relationship Wise have with them, the transfer was correctly identified as a foreign transfer in case that was needed. But yes, as noted by other posters, a 30 day extension (or 60 day Covid extension back then) would have given more breathing space.

Edited July 6, 2021 by Tuvoc

[Soup Dragon]

 

 

[I wrote this before seeing Tuvoc's reply so I though I might as well publish it and see if it makes sense]

 

OK. So let me lay it out and see if I can explain myself better:

 

I arrive BKK on 27 July and get 90-day stay stamp that expires on 24 October.
I finish quarantine on 10 Aug (15 days).

If I apply for the retirement extension 45 days before entry stamp expires that would on 9 September, which means I would have to transfer money into the account on 9 July (to fulfil the 2-month rule). But I don't have an account yet and don't arrive until 27 July.

If I apply for the extension 30 days before my entry stamp expires that would be 25 September, which means having money in account on 25 July. But again, I don't arrive until 27 July. I can't open an account until I'm in BKK. And I will be in quarantine.

If I apply for retirement extension 15 days before entry stamp expires that would be 9 October, which means having money in account on 9 August. But I'm still in quarantine until 10 August.

If I apply for extension 14 days before entry stamp expires, that would be 10 October, which means opening and funding account on 10 August, the day I finish quarantine.

So I can't apply for the retirement extension 45 days, 30 days, 15 days, or even 14 days before my entry stamp expires. It would have to be 13 days or less. I think I would need at least 3 days after Q in which to open and fund account, which means not being able to apply for retirement extension until 11 days before entry stamp expires, at best. I may need more than 3 days to get my account set up and funded. If it took 5 days (to open and fund account), then that would mean not being being able to apply for the extension until only 9 days before entry stamp expires. Which I hope is acceptable to Immigration Dept. But as has been pointed out, technically I could apply for the retirement extension on the last day of entry stamp expiration, but it's not advisable.

Does this make sense?

 

Thanks Tuvoc for your input. So is it actually possible to get a 30-day extension to the 90-day entry stamp to give me that extra space? as I will be trying to attend to a very serious matter relating to my Thai partner as soon as I come out of Q and don't need the extra worry and hassle of visa expiration deadlines, bank accounts, funding, etc.

 

Thanks all for the feedback.

 

 

[ubonjoe]

38 minutes ago, Soup Dragon said:

So is it actually possible to get a 30-day extension to the 90-day entry stamp to give me that extra space?

He is entering visa exempt that allows a 45 day entry that can be extended for 30 days. You will entering with a non-o visa that allows a 90 day entry. The only extension you can apply for other than the one year is a 60 day covid 19 extension.

You will have about 10 days to open a bank account and transfer the 800k baht after quarantine. You could then apply for the extension 2 months from the day the money is in bank. You can apply for the one year extension on the last day if needed.

 

[Soup Dragon]

Thanks ubonjoe. It's a lot clearer now in terms of scheduling the account/funding and extension application.

 

On the matter of the 1-year extension itself, do I need to take on a long-term apartment lease to show Immigration as part of the application? I know I have to provide address details and a map, but my plan is to hotel hop (perhaps 30 days in each) for the first few months, depending on my partner's (we're not married) situation. And I think I need to renew my covid insurance as well (once the 90 days covering the visa entry are up). Do I need to take out an annual health insurance plan too as part of the extension application? I read conflicting reports about this. Some say yes for extension to O-A visa, but no for O. I already have good accident and emergency travel insurance (£10m coverage).

[ubonjoe]

10 minutes ago, Soup Dragon said:

On the matter of the 1-year extension itself, do I need to take on a long-term apartment lease to show Immigration as part of the application? I know I have to provide address details and a map, but my plan is to hotel hop (perhaps 30 days in each) for the first few months, depending on my partner's (we're not married) situation.

A long term lease being required depends upon the office where you apply for the extension. Perhaps make a arrangement for a couple of months of rental some place to show when you apply for the extension.

 

10 minutes ago, Soup Dragon said:

And I think I need to renew my covid insurance as well (once the 90 days covering the visa entry are up). Do I need to take out an annual health insurance plan too as part of the extension application? I read conflicting reports about this. Some say yes for extension to O-A visa, but no for O. I already have good accident and emergency travel insurance (£10m coverage).

You do not to show proof of insurance since you will be entering on a non-o visa and the extending the stay it allows.

The insurance is only required if you entered using a OA visa.

[Soup Dragon]

OK. Thanks again ubonjoe and others.

[MayPutThai]

11 hours ago, Tanoshi said:

Your Non O Visa is used the minute you enter Thailand.

The 800K must be in the bank for 2 months, not 60 days.

You can apply to extend your stay as soon as the funds have been in the bank for 2 months.

What is the difference between 60days and two month, except that 2 month could be 59 to 62 days?

[MayPutThai]

24 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

A long term lease being required depends upon the office where you apply for the extension. Perhaps make a arrangement for a couple of months of rental some place to show when you apply for the extension.

 

You do not to show proof of insurance since you will be entering on a non-o visa and the extending the stay it allows.

The insurance is only required if you entered using a OA visa.

Hi Ubonjoe,

It is not correct what you say about NON-O and entering Thailand with that.

I even don't how how you can get a NON-O (not NON-OA) if you are not in Thailand.

You are right that a NON-O new apply or extension do not require a health insurance up to now.

But you need a health insurance to enter Thailand theses days for your COE.

I just try to get this and had a big discussion with the Singapore Embassy which (at least one girl) want tell me that I must buy even a Thai Insurance for minimum one year beside my existing one and if I want not accept I should not go to Thailand.

They would not accept any letter certificate from the foreign insurer.

Later came a correction from another Lady. They would accept but it must cover minimum 100,000US$ and extra declared that it also would pay for a Covid-19 infection.

Last but not least it must show a start date and an END Date. Not believing that a health insurance will be unlimited so long as you pay the fee

 

[ubonjoe]

13 minutes ago, MayPutThai said:

It is not correct what you say about NON-O and entering Thailand with that.

I even don't how how you can get a NON-O (not NON-OA) if you are not in Thailand.

I not writing about entering the country. I was writing about applying for a extension of stay.

The majority of embassies and official consulates are issuing non-o visas for retirement now. They started issuing them last year when entering the country for retirement was allowed again due to covid 19 restrictions.

Many non home country embassies and consulates were issuing non-o visas for retirement before that.

 

50 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

You do not to show proof of insurance since you will be entering on a non-o visa and the extending the stay it allows.

 

[OJAS]

8 hours ago, merijn said:

Most of the immigration offices use the 45 day option.

Oh no they don't!

[brianthainess]

On 7/6/2021 at 5:21 AM, Tanoshi said:

The 800K must be in the bank for 2 months, not 60 days.

I beg to differ 

[ubonjoe]

16 minutes ago, brianthainess said:

I beg to differ 

It says 2 months with 60 days in parenthesis. Two months and 60 days are not the same. Two months can be less or or more than 60 days. For example 2 months from today is the 7th of September and that is 62 days.

The immigration order states 2 months. From clause 2.18 of immigration order .327/2557

"(6) In the case of marriage to a Thai woman, the alien husband must earn an average annual income of no less than Baht 40,000 per month or must have no less than Baht 400,000 in a bank account in Thailand for the past two months to cover expenses for one year."