Popular Post alex88 Posted July 6, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 6, 2021 We just moved into a house in Udon Thani. We paid 2 months deposit (technically illegal) and advance rent. We then moved in. Then they came around with a list of liabilities for household items adding up to 178,000 baht. 40 year old couch supposedly worth 15,000 baht, 12,000 baht TV listed as 35,000 baht, old tacky curtains 20,000 baht, old wardrobes falling apart 5000 baht each. Is it normal to scam tenants like this or do they only do it to farang? We already paid the deposit, things like this should be mentioned before the signing of the lease, otherwise this is a pretty shocking scam. 2 1 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tifino Posted July 6, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 6, 2021 and lucky there isn't a fully stocked bar fridge in there too! - that one bottle of water $$$$ 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post worgeordie Posted July 6, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 6, 2021 (edited) No not all.. you just have to take photos before you move in, and why did you move into a <deleted>h&le when there is plenty of choice about, and it does work both ways, we had a tenant, steal A/c 's, curtains and even teak doors, we were lucky it was unfurnished , PS ,if you have 4 property or less,its no illegal to take 2 months security regards worgeordie Edited July 6, 2021 by worgeordie 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worgeordie Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 (edited) No not all.. Edited July 6, 2021 by worgeordie 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tifino Posted July 6, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 6, 2021 ask them to take away all those unwanted things... 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickeymaus Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 (edited) Take many photos and create a list with damaged things and send it to him by email and ask him to confirm this. Edited July 6, 2021 by Mickeymaus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CharlieH Posted July 6, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 6, 2021 Seems to me thats not actual value thats "replacement" value. And YES most Landlords I have experienced having been mostly abused by tenants are that way. Cause and effect. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackcab Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 12 minutes ago, alex88 said: We already paid the deposit, things like this should be mentioned before the signing of the lease, otherwise this is a pretty shocking scam. Another way of doing it would be to sign the lease and pay the deposit at same time. Charging 2 months rent as a deposit (or any amount at all as a deposit) is not illegal if the owners rent less than 5 properties/houses/condos/apartments in total. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex88 Posted July 6, 2021 Author Share Posted July 6, 2021 1 minute ago, blackcab said: Another way of doing it would be to sign the lease and pay the deposit at same time. Charging 2 months rent as a deposit (or any amount at all as a deposit) is not illegal if the owners rent less than 5 properties/houses/condos/apartments in total. This is two weeks after lease signed and deposits and rent paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post alex88 Posted July 6, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted July 6, 2021 5 minutes ago, worgeordie said: No not all.. you just have to take photos before you move in, and why did you move into a <deleted>h&le when there is plenty of choice about, and it does work both ways, we had a tenant, steal A/c 's, curtains and even teak doors, we were lucky it was unfurnished , PS ,if you have 4 property or less,its no illegal to take 2 months security regards worgeordie Who said anything about a <deleted>hole? I rented a nice place with good terms. And then the terms were changed weeks after the lease was signed and deposit had been paid. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackcab Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 1 minute ago, alex88 said: This is two weeks after lease signed and deposits and rent paid. As others have said, take lots of photos and also walk-round videos. Email them to the owner. It won't stop them keeping your deposit is they want to though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralf001 Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 "We just moved into a house in Udon Thani.". why are they putting up prices for included item ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralf001 Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 3 minutes ago, alex88 said: This is two weeks after lease signed and deposits and rent paid. and they want you to pay that for replacement ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex88 Posted July 6, 2021 Author Share Posted July 6, 2021 Just now, Ralf001 said: "We just moved into a house in Udon Thani.". why are they putting up prices for included item ? We just moved in and this was the inspection list they wanted us to sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralf001 Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 Just now, alex88 said: We just moved in and this was the inspection list they wanted us to sign. sorry I not understand. they expect you to replace all at you expense moving in or is that a montery value should you move out and all is trashed ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardColeman Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 Not really scammers, but they seem to like to keep your deposits in a lot of cases to ensure they have money for the two months in finding someone to rent it to after you leave and making up reasons why all the faults in the building are your fault, even though they were there when you moved in ! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post worgeordie Posted July 6, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 6, 2021 4 minutes ago, alex88 said: Who said anything about a <deleted>hole? I rented a nice place with good terms. And then the terms were changed weeks after the lease was signed and deposit had been paid. You said 40 year old couch, so i just took it as been a dump... regards worgeordie 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumak Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, alex88 said: Who said anything about a <deleted>hole? I rented a nice place with good terms. And then the terms were changed weeks after the lease was signed and deposit had been paid. well, you did not KNOW the law regarding deposits....... as many here do....... so i guess there are also other things you do not know. next time try to find a falang landlord. We are often more understanding, usually give deposits back as promised....... but darn if some tenants don't live up to their end of the deal. another edit : just reread your description of the place, then your objection to someone calling it a ***hole . Hmm. I now feel sorry for the landlord haha Edited July 6, 2021 by rumak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishtank Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 Quote Are all landlords scam artists here? No. Only the Thai ones. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tifino Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 15 minutes ago, Mickeymaus said: Take many photos and create a list with damaged things and send it to him by email and ask him to confirm this. showing 'items damaged' after already living there, might end up with an instant Bill? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex88 Posted July 6, 2021 Author Share Posted July 6, 2021 3 minutes ago, rumak said: well, you did not KNOW the law regarding deposits....... as many here do....... so i guess there are also other things you do not know. Actually a new law was made recently that specifically says they can't charge more than a month if they have more than 5 properties. We have sought extensive legal advice already this year due to the frequency of scammers here. Legal or not it's incredible to expect 2 months deposiut and then demand someone sign a liability of 178,000 baht for old cheap <deleted>, without prior warning. Obviously we ripped up the list. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex88 Posted July 6, 2021 Author Share Posted July 6, 2021 10 minutes ago, RichardColeman said: Not really scammers, but they seem to like to keep your deposits in a lot of cases to ensure they have money for the two months in finding someone to rent it to after you leave and making up reasons why all the faults in the building are your fault, even though they were there when you moved in ! Yeah I've seen a lot of that. But the list was 178,000 baht extra in addition to deposit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 19 minutes ago, tifino said: ask them to take away all those unwanted things... Exactly ! They will either do it or cut him a deal ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post alex88 Posted July 6, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted July 6, 2021 1 minute ago, riclag said: Exactly ! They will either do it or cut him a deal ! Yeah we are trying to get them to remove the stuff. The furniture is all cheap stuff that they claim is worth a fortune. We don't want it. We want to put our own furniture in. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post canthai55 Posted July 6, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, alex88 said: Yeah we are trying to get them to remove the stuff. The furniture is all cheap stuff that they claim is worth a fortune. We don't want it. We want to put our own furniture in. If this was your intention all along why did you sign the lease without all that being removed and the place Bare ? Then fotos, videos, whatever. You keep a copy, landlord keeps a copy. You sign, he signs No call back on that. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 One has to consider replacement cost when dealing with a landlords property ! I'm not sayin their property was actually worth what they said but tell them to take it out or cut you a deal and like someone mentioned take pictures ! One other thing worth mentioning if their property upon leaving is satisfactory ask for your security deposit back asap. !Make sure you have that in writing ! I had a owner stiff me for 10 k! She kept on putting me off ! Found out later she got divorced and was going through a financial break down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kynikoi Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 Pretty obvious not getting your deposit back lol 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumak Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 Just now, kynikoi said: Pretty obvious not getting your deposit back lol judging by one of his "red flag" remarks it seems that he has lots of experience: "We have sought extensive legal advice already this year due to the frequency of scammers here. " 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 40 minutes ago, alex88 said: they came around with a list of liabilities for household items adding up to 178,000 baht. 40 year old couch supposedly worth 15,000 baht, 12,000 baht TV listed as 35,000 baht, old tacky curtains 20,000 baht, old wardrobes falling apart 5000 baht each. Is it normal to scam tenants like this What are the "scam" and the "liabilities", they're not asking you to pay anything now are they? It doesn't matter if you dispute their valuation as long as the couch, television, curtains and wardrobes are still there, undamaged, when you leave (which is perfectly reasonable to expect). You won't be paying anything unless you're planning on damaging all those things. Why did you sign the contract accepting the "old, falling apart wardrobes" and what makes you think that the couch is "40-years old"? It's not unlikely that the television did cost B35k if it's an older model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex88 Posted July 6, 2021 Author Share Posted July 6, 2021 1 minute ago, rumak said: judging by one of his "red flag" remarks it seems that he has lots of experience: "We have sought extensive legal advice already this year due to the frequency of scammers here. " Personally I haven't had many problems over the years. But my friend who just moved here is renting more expensive places than I usually would, and seems to get gouged as a result. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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